CLOUGH,S LEGACY

[finlaytheblade]

What has clough left us with?.
I like most blades was pleased with the appointment of clough now he,s gone i am right behind nigel adkins to say i was surprised at cloughs demise is an under statement.Like most blades when he survived the swindon
defeat it looked like he had been given another year to acheave what we all want (promotion) i for one felt
that plugging the weaknesses we had(and he has to accept these weaknesses were there from day 1) which were obviouse to all of us would give us a great chance this coming season.The meeting he had with the board
could,nt have gone well for him to be sacked 24 hours later.He has got traits of old big head (his dad) in his personality which dont go down well with players today and employers too, fallouts are common in football
but i get the feeling cloughy wants to do things his way and will not accept a change of policy(a more attacking approach)fans including me got frustrated with the lack of goal mouth action and goals as his tactics seemed to revolve around hitting teams on the break,most teams we played especially at bramall lane came with a view to
not getting beat and so hitting teams on the break never really worked as teams sat back which created boring football.My opinion is Adkins is charged with a more attacking way of playing winning football this i think is the way forward the board are looking for.
What has adkins got to work with from clough,s time? in my opinion plenty! clough never got the balance right but in my opinion most of the players he brought in can do a good job at this level and with most of them quite young able to step up to the championship..I am still baffled by his inability to strenthen the areas already mentioned as not doing so has made a big contrbution to him getting the sack(i think promotion would have been won).Of all the players he brought in in my opinion these are the one,s i would release
ben davies gone anyway 4 others i have doubts about and thats not to say adkins wont find a use for them!
are alcock,mceveley,campbell-rice and higdon.
Adkins will have his own idea,s who he can use and if he strengthens us in the right areas there,s no reason why we cant do it next season with a more attacking aproach.
All blades will have there own idea,s as to the reasons for clough,s departure but that,s history
now and we look forward to some exciting times with nigel adkins,already buzzing about this season as always.

 

[I should coco]

He has left us with morale so low, that even the apostrophe is on the floor.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

He was only manager for a year and a half. He doesn't have a legacy.

 

[Bladebri]

He left no legacy, he did leave a big problem for the new manager, CB, Midfield. Need I say more.

 

[Rossb123]

He's left us fans discussing multiple times the same thing...........what has he left us with.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

He left no legacy, he did leave a big problem for the new manager, CB, Midfield. Need I say more.

Agree , Bladebri . The legacy is , should football club board members read fans forums , before making a decision on management recruitment , to give a overall fans reflection .

Derby County - Clough

Southampton , Reading - Adkins .

Just a thought , but it cannot be any worst , to add to the the football managers merry go round , and pick the right manager lottery , that happens at the moment , and crap advise they get from so called professionals .

Perhaps JP took note regarding Parkinson.

Clough left us nothing but disbelief , frustration , anger and sadness .

UTB

 

[metalblade]

What has clough left us with?.
I like most blades was pleased with the appointment of clough now he,s gone i am right behind nigel adkins to say i was surprised at cloughs demise is an under statement.Like most blades when he survived the swindon
defeat it looked like he had been given another year to acheave what we all want (promotion) i for one felt
that plugging the weaknesses we had(and he has to accept these weaknesses were there from day 1) which were obviouse to all of us would give us a great chance this coming season.The meeting he had with the board
could,nt have gone well for him to be sacked 24 hours later.He has got traits of old big head (his dad) in his personality which dont go down well with players today and employers too, fallouts are common in football
but i get the feeling cloughy wants to do things his way and will not accept a change of policy(a more attacking approach)fans including me got frustrated with the lack of goal mouth action and goals as his tactics seemed to revolve around hitting teams on the break,most teams we played especially at bramall lane came with a view to
not getting beat and so hitting teams on the break never really worked as teams sat back which created boring football.My opinion is Adkins is charged with a more attacking way of playing winning football this i think is the way forward the board are looking for.
What has adkins got to work with from clough,s time? in my opinion plenty! clough never got the balance right but in my opinion most of the players he brought in can do a good job at this level and with most of them quite young able to step up to the championship..I am still baffled by his inability to strenthen the areas already mentioned as not doing so has made a big contrbution to him getting the sack(i think promotion would have been won).Of all the players he brought in in my opinion these are the one,s i would release
ben davies gone anyway 4 others i have doubts about and thats not to say adkins wont find a use for them!
are alcock,mceveley,campbell-rice and higdon.
Adkins will have his own idea,s who he can use and if he strengthens us in the right areas there,s no reason why we cant do it next season with a more attacking aproach.
All blades will have there own idea,s as to the reasons for clough,s departure but that,s history
now and we look forward to some exciting times with nigel adkins,already buzzing about this season as always.

I agree with the players you would release but that still doesn't go far enough. We have way too many players the trouble being they are all full backs and midfielders, the only legacy Clough left us with was a complete mess for the new boss to sort out that is before we think about filling the gaps in the team mainly at centre back but also a striker with height strength and pace. Then I would be looking to bring in a decent goalkeeper and a decent left back, neither Howard or Harris inspire me with confidence.

 

[Grecian2000]

Clough left us nothing but disbelief , frustration , anger and sadness .

Exactly what I was saying coming out of Wembley after as good an FA Cup Semi final as I've seen.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Exactly what I was saying coming out of Wembley after as good an FA Cup Semi final as I've seen.

Thought someone would say that , but the night coming out of Yeovil summed it up for me . Unfortunately especially in the league ( that counts ) , good performances were the exception to the rule , not the norm.

Lets hope Adkins changes this , as the players also had a part to play in the sacking of Clough.

UTB

 

[vorpal blade]

The meeting he had with the board
could,nt have gone well for him to be sacked 24 hours later.

I can't argue with this

 

[mosbolad]

He left us with less points than Danny Wilson got in his two season in charge and in no better position in the league.

Wilson 2011/12 3rd 90pts
2012/13 5th 75pts

Clough 2013/14 7th 67pts
2014/15 5th 71pts

And a worse win percentage thrown in for good measure Wilson 51%, Clough 47%.

Purely based on points and league position it would be reasonable to say that under Clough we went precisely nowhere.

 

[grafikhaus]

What has clough left us with? I like most blades was pleased with the appointment of Clough, now he's gone, I am right behind Nigel Adkins to say I was surprised at Cloughs demise is an under statement. Like most blades when he survived the Swindon defeat it looked like he had been given another year to acheive what we all want (promotion) I for one felt that plugging the weaknesses we had (and he has to accept these weaknesses were there from day 1) which were obvious to all of us would give us a great chance this coming season.The meeting he had with the board could'nt have gone well for him to be sacked 24 hours later. He has got traits of old big head (his dad) in his personality which don't go down well with players today and employers too, fallouts are common in football.

Unfortunately, he had none of the success of his old man. If he had, he might have got away with being a total arsehole.

But I get the feeling Cloughy wants to do things his way and will not accept a change of policy

Yup. 'My way or highway.' Unfortunately his journey down his self-made highway has been cushioned with a big pay-off. Meanwhile, we've got another season in the Third Division to suffer.

the lack of goal mouth action and goals as his tactics seemed to revolve around hitting teams on the break, most teams we played especially at Bramall Lane came with a view to not getting beat and so hitting teams on the break never really worked as teams sat back.

Blimey. What do we expect from a manager and backroom staff - costing around £1m per season? The ability to adapt? Against the Galacticos of Division Three?

What has Adkins got to work with from Clough's time? In my opinion plenty!

Plenty of average dross in a totally over-sized squad, who will be very difficult to shift.

Clough never got the balance right but in my opinion most of the players he brought in can do a good job at this level...

They made a good job of hiding this 'ability' in most games last season.

...and with most of them quite young able to step up to the Championship.

Namely? I doubt if more than 2 or 3 are remotely ready to 'step up' to the Championship

I am still baffled by his inability to strengthen the areas already mentioned as not doing so has made a big contribution to him getting the sack (I think promotion would have been won).

But not with a tactically-inept, over-cautious, pig-headed manager who couldn't spot the blindingly-obvious weaknesses in the team. That's Clough's 'legacy'.

Let's not get all misty-eyed about Clough. Some good cup runs but, in the main, a fucking disaster which will take a long time to eradicate.

 

[Grecian2000]

He left us with less points than Danny Wilson got in his two season in charge and in no better position in the league.

Wilson 2011/12 3rd 90pts
2012/13 5th 75pts

Clough 2013/14 7th 67pts
2014/15 5th 71pts

And a worse win percentage thrown in for good measure Wilson 51%, Clough 47%.

Purely based on points and league position it would be reasonable to say that under Clough we went precisely nowhere.

Fine, if he'd taken over from Danny Wilson. History shows he didn't, he took over a team in the relegation zone of League 1 from Weir.

Weirs final squad (i,.e the actual one Clough inherited) looked pretty much like this:
Long, Howard, McMahon, Hill, Westlake, Lappin, Collins, Maguire, McGinty, Doyle, Coady, Hall, McGinn, Brandy, Flynn, Murphy, Baxter, Ironside, Porter, Taylor, King and Miller. Both Murphy and Flynn were as popular as farts in a space suit!
I may have missed a superstar or two from the list.

We have moved on from that squad and if you want one lasting legacy to ponder on:

He swapped McMahon for Harris. Legendary move!

 

[Bladesman]

Fine, if he'd taken over from Danny Wilson. History shows he didn't, he took over a team in the relegation zone of League 1 from Weir.

Weirs final squad (i,.e the actual one Clough inherited) looked pretty much like this:
Long, Howard, McMahon, Hill, Westlake, Lappin, Collins, Maguire, McGinty, Doyle, Coady, Hall, McGinn, Brandy, Flynn, Murphy, Baxter, Ironside, Porter, Taylor, King and Miller. Both Murphy and Flynn were as popular as farts in a space suit!
I may have missed a superstar or two from the list.

We have moved on from that squad and if you want one lasting legacy to ponder on:

He swapped McMahon for Harris. Legendary move!

Apart from signing Brayford, that was clubs best bit of business.

Where has McMahon ended up now Bradford?

 

[mosbolad]

Fine, if he'd taken over from Danny Wilson. History shows he didn't, he took over a team in the relegation zone of League 1 from Weir.

I agree. Of course he was an improvement on Weir. However it is difficult to say even if you remove personalities from this that we are in any better position than when Danny Wilson was manager. Because simple facts (points, position, win percentage) say we aren't, and we have gone nowhere.

For what its worth (not much admittedly) I was surprised when Clough was sacked. I thought he had done just about enough for another season or at least to start the season and see how we go.

 

[Dkc]

Che Adams, Brayford and Matty Done were all Clough signings

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

His legacy:
One great signing
Missing Oi on so many possible signings just so he could buy ex favourites from Derby such as Conor Coady(he was a great prospect)
Boring Boring frustrating tactics such as long balls to 5ft8 players
Not sorting out problems such as corners and centre backs
Wasting the Prince's and Cup money


Can't believe we sacked him

 

[Barney]

Is this what you call a legacy?

• No height, strength or power in the squad
• No CB's
• Failure to address ST problem until it was too late
• An over crowded midfield
• A bloated squad that had 30 players in it at the end of last season, with only a few having real quality
• 2 high profile fallings out (Collins, Butler) that inevitably added to the CB problem
• Didn't sacrifice his pride when it came to playing Collins in the play-off semi's
• 20 points below 1st position
• Openly slagged off his own players, often blaming them for defeats
• Negative, boring tactics, being somewhat scared of Fleetwood at home
• Never took any blame whatsoever for defeats or draws

Wouldn't be a legacy i'd be proud of.

 

[Bladesway]

I agree. Of course he was an improvement on Weir. However it is difficult to say even if you remove personalities from this that we are in any better position than when Danny Wilson was manager. Because simple facts (points, position, win percentage) say we aren't, and we have gone nowhere.

For what its worth (not much admittedly) I was surprised when Clough was sacked. I thought he had done just about enough for another season or at least to start the season and see how we go.

So what you are saying is we shouldn't have sacked Wilson, yes?

 

[true99blade]

Is this what you call a legacy?

• No height, strength or power in the squad
• No CB's
• Failure to address ST problem until it was too late
• An over crowded midfield
• A bloated squad that had 30 players in it at the end of last season, with only a few having real quality
• 2 high profile fallings out (Collins, Butler) that inevitably added to the CB problem
• Didn't sacrifice his pride when it came to playing Collins in the play-off semi's
• 20 points below 1st position
• Openly slagged off his own players, often blaming them for defeats
• Negative, boring tactics, being somewhat scared of Fleetwood at home
• Never took any blame whatsoever for defeats or draws

Wouldn't be a legacy i'd be proud of.

What is this obsession with some people that Collins would have solved the defensive problems? There is evidence that nothing would have changed...
Twice we played at Swindon this season. Collins has played 1 of the 2. In BOTH games we conceded 5. Collins even gave away a penalty in the game he played in. Collins is partly why we are still in the 3rd Division! Collins was been getting gradually worse and worse the longer we stay in this league. He WOULDN'T have made the slightest bit of difference if he played against Swindon. So why must Clough have had to "sacrifice his pride" for a player who wouldn't have improved the situation?

 

[Harry's Game]

He left us twenty points off the automatic promotion places and a squad where none of the players made the Divisional PFA team of the year for the first season since we got relegated down here.

Thank Christ he's gone, I would like to forget about him but people have to accept the poor state we are in and realise what a job Adkins has got on his hands now.

 

[Barney]

What is this obsession with some people that Collins would have solved the defensive problems? There is evidence that nothing would have changed...
Twice we played at Swindon this season. Collins has played 1 of the 2. In BOTH games we conceded 5. Collins even gave away a penalty in the game he played in. Collins is partly why we are still in the 3rd Division! Collins was been getting gradually worse and worse the longer we stay in this league. He WOULDN'T have made the slightest bit of difference if he played against Swindon. So why must Clough have had to "sacrifice his pride" for a player who wouldn't have improved the situation?

So you'd rather have a trusty McEveley or an Alcock in there would you? Instead of a man that was at the heart of a season where we had one of the best defensive records in the division? Every man and his dog can tell you that Collins, albeit he's not the best, was certainly a better option than what we had going in to the Swindon game. Clough just chose to keep his pride intact, and let our oh so reliable defence let 3 goals in, in the space of 10 minutes. I could carry on but I think my point has been made very clear....

 

[mosbolad]

So what you are saying is we shouldn't have sacked Wilson, yes?

I'm not convinced it was our best move. We've not really progressed. I don't know why Wilson was sacked when he was (there will no doubt be a reason). We were on a bit of a bad run, still in the playoffs (I think). Chris Morgan then took charge, a completely inexperienced manager to guide us through the playoffs. Morgs tried his best but well we didn't make it. Looking through my retrospectascope it just seemed an odd thing to do.

Weir might have worked but didnt, Clough the same, let's hope NA is the right one this time. I hope and think he will be.

So to answer your question directly, yes I would have kept Wilson on, and this season by the skin of his teeth I would have kept Clough on. Not complaining at all about the appointment of NA though.

Oh and I'm just a football knows nowt on a forum!

 

[Barney]

I'm not convinced it was our best move. We've not really progressed. I don't know why Wilson was sacked when he was (there will no doubt be a reason). We were on a bit of a bad run, still in the playoffs (I think). Chris Morgan then took charge, a completely inexperienced manager to guide us through the playoffs. Morgs tried his best but well we didn't make it. Looking through my retrospectascope it just seemed an odd thing to do.

Weir might have worked but didnt, Clough the same, let's hope NA is the right one this time. I hope and think he will be.

So to answer your question directly, yes I would have kept Wilson on, and this season by the skin of his teeth I would have kept Clough on. Not complaining at all about the appointment of NA though.

Oh and I'm just a football knows nowt on a forum!

I agree with you on Wilson. Another season of building that squad up we had under him and we would have walked this division IMO. Ever since then it's been down hill and obviously no progression under Weir and no progression under Clough from where we were at the time of sacking Wilson. So, in effect we have wasted 2 seasons by sacking Wilson if we go up under Adkins this year.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I agree. Of course he was an improvement on Weir. However it is difficult to say even if you remove personalities from this that we are in any better position than when Danny Wilson was manager. Because simple facts (points, position, win percentage) say we aren't, and we have gone nowhere.

For what its worth (not much admittedly) I was surprised when Clough was sacked. I thought he had done just about enough for another season or at least to start the season and see how we go.

Wilson took over a great squad at this level and left us with a poor one.

Clough pretty much took over the poor squad, and left us with a decent one, with certain very specific gaps that shouldn't be too hard to fill.


We are in a very good position in terms of the players we have, what we need and the resources we have.

 

[mosbolad]

Wilson took over a great squad at this level and left us with a poor one.

Clough pretty much took over the poor squad, and left us with a decent one, with certain very specific gaps that shouldn't be too hard to fill.

Fair points Bergen. Simply going on position, points and wins percentages, we are no better off.

I agree we now have a squad that's not too far off. It's a shame that Clough for whatever reason couldn't get them to fire on all cylinders.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I agree with you on Wilson. Another season of building that squad up we had under him and we would have walked this division IMO. Ever since then it's been down hill and obviously no progression under Weir and no progression under Clough from where we were at the time of sacking Wilson. So, in effect we have wasted 2 seasons by sacking Wilson if we go up under Adkins this year.

The wheels had come off by the time Wilson left. We scored two goals and won only once in his last six games. The board thought the motivational skills of Morgan could get us back into the fight for automatic promotion, but it achieved very little. The team wasn't good enough.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Another day, another Clough thread. This one is important however, the subject is in full caps!!

And just like every other thread with the same subject but worded in a slightly different way, the answer is the same.

HE left us in Division 3, the same division we started in.
We have some better players but yet gaping holes in positions there shouldn't be.

The bottom line is: He's gone, the analysis of his failures have been discussed to death, I would suggest that even the biggest detractor of the man are getting tired of repeating the same thoughts daily.

Let it go, navigate to pornhub and crack one off to what ever takes your fancy.

You will feel much better for it, promise.

 

[Jonboy60]

Another day, another Clough thread. This one is important however, the subject is in full caps!!

And just like every other thread with the same subject but worded in a slightly different way, the answer is the same.

HE left us in Division 3, the same division we started in.
We have some better players but yet gaping holes in positions there shouldn't be.

The bottom line is: He's gone, the analysis of his failures have been discussed to death, I would suggest that even the biggest detractor of the man are getting tired of repeating the same thoughts daily.

Let it go, navigate to pornhub and crack one off to what ever takes your fancy.

You will feel much better for it, promise.

Is that the pornhub when you go on it, it gives you links to other such dubious sites of similar ilke. Nope, never heard of it.

 

[Revolution]

Wilson took over a great squad at this level and left us with a poor one.

Clough pretty much took over the poor squad, and left us with a decent one, with certain very specific gaps that shouldn't be too hard to fill.


We are in a very good position in terms of the players we have, what we need and the resources we have.

Wilson did not sell Quinn, Blackman or Lowton. He was not responsible for Evans going to jail. He was not responsible for Williamson signing somewhere else.

Wilson had his flaws but he was more a victim of circumstance.

I agree we are in a better position now than when Wilson left, though. We have more useful players than we had then, and it'll be Adkins, not David Weir, signing the new ones.