Cheeky loan bid for Harry?

[sitwell]

Why does it bother people how much someone else is paid ? Ive never understood this fixation with other peoples income ,why beat yourself up about it ,just be pleased for them.
I just want to see good players playing in a good team at the Lane ,Harry is one of those ,I would have him back in a heartbeat.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

It's not all about money for some people though is it? Sometimes it's about where you belong.
Ask John Brayford.

To be fair, it's a bit easier when you're 27 and have 'earnt' millions already.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

There is an interesting article in the Daily Mail about Adam Lallana whilst at Southampton.

"I couldn't leave young like Bale and Ox.....I still felt like a league one player"

That is why HM should have stayed at United. Nothing personal with HM but bad advice all round. Shit club in Hull City, 2nd worst place in the UK after Wolverhampton, he WASN'T a Premier league player and needed more experience.

Don't begrudge him his £16K per week, but he had better start saving some of it, as he is more than likely will end up like Jordan Slew than Adam Lallana.

Bad advice leading to bad mistake, something he now has to learn to live with and restart his career. As for going to struggling Wigan shows what the rest of football actually thinks of HM that no one appears to want to take him on..............all very sad really.

Should we have him on loan? - NO. After Hull are relegated and we are promoted ,go and buy him back for peanuts and return the 2 finger salute to the Judas known as Steve Bruce.

UTB

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Yes it would have been great for us to keep him. But I can't agree that Harry would have been better to stay with us.

He had already proved by being in 3 PFA League One team of the years that he is clearly too good for this division so why stay in it another season?

He should have gone to the Championship, but can't blame him for having a crack at the premiership cause he might never get that chance to play at that level again if he turns it down.

Agree with you Yes Blade .If we were pro footballers , we would all like a crack at the premiership . My only thought is next season or the season after the blades will be playing Hull in the championship. Discussing Harry , is one of the reasons , with many others , why we have to get out of league 1.

UTB

 

[MBoreman]

It's not all about money for some people though is it? Sometimes it's about where you belong.
Ask John Brayford.

Difference being he'll have already racked up plenty at Cardiff, and his wage cut will be less extreme than Harry's rise I'd guess. Also, Maguire's young and wanted to have a crack at the Premiership whereas Brayford has probably realised he's top end Championship and feels he can get there with us.

 

[MBoreman]

Best thing for him would have been to sign for a Premiership club, as he did, perhaps a different one would have been better, then immediately be loaned out to the Championship to make the step up more gradual. Derby would have been a good one to go to.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Best thing for him would have been to sign for a Premiership club, as he did, perhaps a different one would have been better, then immediately be loaned out to the Championship to make the step up more gradual. Derby would have been a good one to go to.

yes that would have been good advice - exactly the sort of advice you would expect from "your" agent.

Sadly it didn't appear to work out that way, so I am afraid HM has only himself and his advisors to thank for putting his football career into decline.

Problem now, is "he" has to persuade someone to take a chance of him, actually play him in the team and rebuild his reputation. That is going to be one difficult task. We knew his limitations and at times with pro footballers it is better the devil you know than the one you don't.

All very sad.

As for United, I also feel sad, as CH has been an issue all season. Never been a fan of Collins but he and Harry did have an understanding and I doubt we would be 5th if both were now playing - more like 2nd or 3rd and now making a definitive push for top spot instead of having to fight like tooth and nail for 2nd position. All in all not a good issue and if it was also the case that Butler "encouraged" Harry to go as certain rumours suggest then that makes it even worse.

UTB

 

[Blade58]

Bruce stated after signing Harry that he may get loaned out but it wouldn't be to a league 1 club

Apart from that, Harry made his decision. Good luck to him

He's made his bed................................................


Personally, I say the same thing regards all Blades players that decide they no longer wish to play for us. Good bye and good luck. No longer interested in them I'm only interested in players that want to be at our club. Harry, like McDonald, Williamson and Paddy Kenny made it clear they didn't

See ya!

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Viewpoint 1: Last season, Harry was a young man whose (time-limited) career was on the up, and who presumably felt he had a chance to kick on to the next level. An exciting opportunity came up, so he too a risk. Who among us might not have done something similar, at his stage of life ? If Dawson hadn't signed, quite late on in the window, things might have been different at Hull. Bad luck, Harry. That's football. Better luck in the future.

Viewpoint 2: He no longer wanted to play for us. Thanks, but no thanks. At the moment, anyway. Not unless he does a very public Brayford. Same goes for anyone who no longer wants our shirt and support.

Viewpoint 3: Another season with us would have done him more good. I didn't think he was good enough to move to upper Champ level, let alone Prem level. Still only a promising player, at those dizzy heights, whose game will need to keep developing if he is to have a chance. In days gone by, he'd have been with us at least another year, maybe a couple. It would have helped him develop to a point where he was dominating strikers and being the best player on the pitch every week. That's when you move on. Not when you're still emerging, and making bad ricks every few games.

My own feeling about the question in the OP is a mix of these three viewpoints.

Ask John Brayford - A gentleman and a footballer !

Best description of Brayford anywhere on these pages.

 

[RealMcCoy]

I have to wish Harry all the best. It's inevitable that most young players in his position would have made the same decision. I have no ill feelings towards him. Whilst I was sorry to see him go, I wouldn't want him back on loan at this point. I want to see more permanent team building, so I'd rather we worked with the players we have. If we did look for a loan CB, hen it should be with a view to them ultimately signing permanently. Can't see Harry coming to us in League 1 with a view to staying on, so no thanks.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The grass sometimes is not greener on the other side, but the money is.

HH

Specially if he's paid in $

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Like some others on this thread, I cannot understand this antipathy towards HM. Was Harry born in Sheffield? Check. Does he go and see United when he can? Check. Is he a 'Blade at heart'? (Unlike Harry Kane in his Arsenal shirt) Check. Sounds a lot like Kyle Walker, then!

For those who think it's as simple as 'He just went for the money', have a read of 'The Secret Footballer' which outlines the many forces at play in any transfer.

<cough>Harry's a Wednesday fan.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think a few people need to step of their high horse and the wish to seemingly punish him for wanting to leave.
What should happen is that the club consider what did actually occur prior to his exit, wether his return would have a positive or negative impact on the dressing room, would it improve our team, is it a sensible deal for the money or can we get better and does it fit in with the longer term planning for the club?
It really is that simple and come the summer I would be very surprised if a move/loan isn't discussed against those points.

 

[DI36O]

I don't blame him for actually leaving as at 3 full seasons he stayed for far longer than most youths do and the club has only tread water in that time. Time to prove himself at a higher level. It seems like Hull was a bad move though. The priority for young players has to be game time, so they should always go wherever they can get it.

I can see why the security of money is a factor but I'd be surprised if it actually works out that way. I'm not sure what the figures are but how much will he earn in total in his time at Hull reserves followed by years trying to rebuild vs what he would earn in a rising Championship club with a positive looking future? It seems a bit like quitting your budding career as a semi qualified lawyer or pilot to cover for a vastly overpaid car park attendant on maternity leave. Not sustainable and damaging to your career prospects.

 

[DI36O]

Oh and as for loaning him back, what RealMcCoy said. Central defenders build up partnerships - if you play him with Collins, which seems unlikely, then maybe, but pair him with someone else then we get a player out of match practice and a month of communication errors, maybe see some potential between them and then he goes again. Meanwhile McEverly-Basham/Kennedy doesn't develop. Waste of time and messing things about for me. I felt the same about McCarthy.

 

[Kenilworth]

This fixation with money and not the playing side. It's not the same - being a footballer is not the same as the standard jobs that most of us have to make a living. If you're not playing then you're not a footballer no matter how much you earn.

We'd all Go for jobs tripling our wages. Of course we would if the burden of results was the same as your current position - you'd think carefully if you had to compete with much better people and would get dropped like a stone a year or so afterwards if the sink or swim gamble. Especially considering the effect in family and financial commitments.

Harry made his choice and good luck to him - but Hull is not an established Prem team so that's a risk in itself. If he had given it one more year then he may have got a promotion under his belt, something that can never be taken away from you - football players are defined by their achievements - and he could have left to a much better club than Hull and probay for a larger pay packet.

There's no doubt in my mind that we would have been in a far better position in the league if H had stayed. NC has spent a lot of time jigging about with the CB partnership and we have been vulnerable at set pieces and no threat at all from our own corners or free kicks since Harry moved on. So, yes. I can feel a measure of betrayal and peeve at Harry's decision to go too early has really hampered us and dented his development quite badly, short term - and who knows, maybe long term as well