Ched Evans - the truth?

[Blade 62]

Let's be honest. Ched Evans looked like a headless chicken coming on against Middlesbrough this evening. Why is he back here? Is it really an arrangement through MaCabe or, as he claimed, really Wilder's choice? If the latter, why? If the former, shouldn't it be made explicit?

What a PRICK you are.....

 

[Blade56]

Deffo a service issue for the strikers, we were so slow getting forward and getting into their box. They were nothing special but my concern is Tuffty played most of his cards re combinations that might work but nothing came off.

Need a pacey midfielder
Need another striker (Hanson out Clark sub)
Fleck more forward and another ball winner / pass maker (Wood type at Brentford ) in

But McCabe can't afford those type of players. Just hope CW can do magic with average players and youth. Wait for 'there's always the loan window statement from club and we're looking for inverters (should read buyers).

But as to OP nowt to do with Ched or strikers it's the midfield and service. Defence did well.

 

[Bladepicker]

Hang on, wasn't Cheds performance against chesterfield, supposed to herald "the second coming".....i

We played Walsall in the league cup.

It was you lot that played Chesterfield.

 

[spongebobblade]

He was no better or worse thqm Sharp in that game, zero service.

Shame Lavery wasn't selected, I think he is getting a bit of a raw deal at the moment as he is the one forward who can do that bit different and create a chance for himself.

Agree with your last bit but against Walsall he was almost invisible. Ched wasn't and that was probably where Wilders thinking came in.

 

[Esablade]

There were positives to take from the game ,we didn't move the ball quick enough and movement off the ball was a bit sluggish.
After boro scored they pushed on to us giving us no time on the ball.It was a shock to the system and we need to fine tune our midfield.
We need so pace up front as boro pushed up knowing we lacked that.
It's early doors yet and we are on big learning curve Wilder I'm sure will remedy some of the weaknesses.
Having said all that they wernt that much better than us the goal was a cock up which could have been avoided.Our equaliser should have stood we were robbed.

Lot's of positives, you don't learn as much playing against weaker opposition...I thought we did ok actually, handled them quite well ( considering) and as you say, should have grabbed a point.

 

[pesch the mini genius]

Thought ched did OK when he came on, as people have said very little service,

thought Duffy at times was good but then did what we have done far too much of this season already, loose possession very carelessly and easily with poor passes

Think players are nervous and a bit taken back by the lack of time and space they have this season , but I'm sure as confidence grows we will calm down ans realise we can still do what we did last season

I don't really get the boro fans (or any fans booing Evans )
In the eyes of the law , he served 2 1/2 years for a crime he has had overturned,
Yes he has the morals of a rat but if we booed every player for their antics like that ,we would boo a vast % of players !

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Did more than Billy.
Probably touched the ball more than him as well.
I'm sure Sky will have some statistics.

I have my doubts on Ched getting back to anywhere near the standard required for this division, but on the two brief appearances he's made so far I'm a little more confident he could.
Only slight criticism is I think he's trying too hard.

 

[Rollerball]

Imho, first half service to the strikers was dire, pushed back midfielders and too many long balls that billy had no chance of getting to against 2 very big units, Clarke tried but without service no striker in the world can compete, Samir was very mediocre to my eyes, and maybe Duffy should start with Samir coming on as an option possibly brooks, but no matter who Chris picks there will always be fans that believe others should be chosen instead, Ched did no worse than billy or Leon .
We need to remember just a few months ago there was a whole league between us and them and this season with the parachute payments borough have already spent £43+ million on player, and looked mostly no better than we did, the exception being bamford, a class player.
A lot of positives to be taken from that game, but definitely nothing to fear in "la liga" onwards n upwards.
UTB

 

[dazzlingblade]

apart from flecky first half ched was the only player who actually got the ball and had a run at them, albeit with a weak shot at the end of it but at least he tried, if the forwards are not getting the service you need that one player who at least tries something, and let me just say i was one who didn't want him back, purely for time away from the game, but i saw a few glimpses of the old player yesterday, if he stays fit and gets a good run he may well offer us something we lack with his ability to actually run at defences

 

[thehet]

This thread is utter nonsense.

It's ridiculous we're even debating the matter.

Sharp barely got double figures in touches. No shots as I remember. Not a lot of running (compared to Clarke). Not enough service but generally was a passenger for most of the game.

Ched came on had a few more touches, a shot (albeit a passback), did a similar amount of running and had a similar amount of service.

He came on because we needed something different, and it didn't work out. Get over it, move on to the next game.

 

[grafikhaus]

I don't really get the boro fans (or any fans booing Evans )

I wonder how many of the morons who booed Ched will have gone straight out on the piss, onto a club and hoping to pull some impressionable bird?

 

[Bedrock Blade]

What a berk.

 

[Ricky]

Yesterday was a game for one up front with two attacking midfielders behind. But only Clarke or Evans could do that role, and Billy 'has to' play. So we end up going with 2 up front.

Billy's always a passenger against any solid, well organised opponent.

In games like that we need better than a Sharp/Clarke combination.

As a pair they don't do our pressing game any favours either.

 

[dan brown]

sorry, but Ched had more of the ball in his first 2 minutes than Billy had, thats not having a go at Billy, just facts

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Evans, along with the introduction of Duffy, meant we did start to take the game a bit more to Boro. Sharp will have games like that, which should neither surprise nor worry anyone that looks at his contribution across a season. Both strikers were isolated less when Duffy was introduced – Carruthers didn't have a good 2nd half.

Clarke needs to realise he won't be allowed the time to take multiple touches when opportunities are presented to him. The chance he had first half was similar to the one he dispatched superbly at Port Vale last season – the second he decided not to take it first time it was lost. Evans was effective at getting more involved as soon as he was introduced, but hit a couple of very tame efforts that should be a reminder to all that he's not anywhere near up to speed yet. We really could do with another option up there.

 

[JayGreen17]

I think weasel, if you reflect or are capable of reflection, Billy Sharp may well feel disappointed by the lack of service he received today, and then being substituted by someone who offered little by way of alternative game plan, may well fell utterly pissed off - won't he?

Who equally received any sort of service so u in theory have answered ur own terrible OP

 

[Danny_Boy]

Let's be honest. Ched Evans looked like a headless chicken coming on against Middlesbrough this evening. Why is he back here? Is it really an arrangement through MaCabe or, as he claimed, really Wilder's choice? If the latter, why? If the former, shouldn't it be made explicit?

This post - The truth.

It's shit.

 

[Harrisblade]

I think weasel, if you reflect or are capable of reflection, Billy Sharp may well feel disappointed by the lack of service he received today, and then being substituted by someone who offered little by way of alternative game plan, may well fell utterly pissed off - won't he?

Do substitutions always make a difference on football computer games then?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I wonder how many of the morons who booed Ched will have gone straight out on the piss, onto a club and hoping to pull some impressionable bird?

Graph?

 

[Norderner]

Yesterday was a game for one up front with two attacking midfielders behind. But only Clarke or Evans could do that role, and Billy 'has to' play. So we end up going with 2 up front.

Billy's always a passenger against any solid, well organised opponent.

In games like that we need better than a Sharp/Clarke combination.

As a pair they don't do our pressing game any favours either.

Spot on. I'd have gone Clarke or ched with brooks and Samir behind.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Utter bollocks!

You're anti Evans agenda doesn't fool anybody pal. We've got long memories.

Look again Gray. It's actually his usual anti McCabe agenda. Be misquoting Fit and Proper next

 

[BushBlade]

Spot on. I'd have gone Clarke or ched with brooks and Samir behind.

We'd have still probably lost and pissed our captain off at the same time, along with a lot of other players. By playing Billy and taking him off the rest of the team won't be as bothered if he doesn't get a much game time going forwards. It's about managing the team and their egos.

 

[oldblade]

Let's be honest. Ched Evans looked like a headless chicken coming on against Middlesbrough this evening. Why is he back here? Is it really an arrangement through MaCabe or, as he claimed, really Wilder's choice? If the latter, why? If the former, shouldn't it be made explicit?

I Don't get this joke.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Ched was certainly no worse than Billy when he came on and we as a team looked better during the period he was on the pitch (and scored…..). That’s not a dig at Billy either by the way. I like him and think he’ll make a big contribution this season but in games where we’re on the back foot for long periods, the strikers can become isolated and his attributes don’t lend themselves well to that situation. Ched was dropping deeper to receive the ball and link play at times which allowed us to move it around better. In a very tough game, he did OK. No more, no less.


I see Leon has also come in for a bit of stick from some. Apart from hesitating with the early chance, I thought he did quite well with limited service and was probably the best of the 3. Another striker better than what we have would be nice to kick us on a level but unless you can unearth a gem from somewhere, they cost many millions of pounds to get anything better than what we have. Did £7million Ashley Fletcher look much better? Not for me. Gestede impressed me though. Quality target man at this level.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Our strikers got very little service from a midfield that was penned back for the majority of the time so the truth is none of them looked very good at all. Sharp was woeful and our lack of pace was once again frighteningly obvious.

If anyone was the headless chicken it was Carruthers...we had far more shape when Duffy came on.

I think we would have been better off putting Brookes on for Sharp IMO and playing him just behind Clarke creating the link with midfield.

To go back to Evans he did far more than Sharp....is Billys place under threat...maybe?

For games like that maybe Sharp’s place would be under threat. But for games like Barnsley next Saturday where I expect us to see more of the ball and cause them problems, Sharp is exactly the sort of player we want in and around the box to punish them. He just can’t carry the fight to the opposition without service when we’re on the back foot.

 

[Torrix1889]

For games like that maybe Sharp’s place would be under threat. But for games like Barnsley next Saturday where I expect us to see more of the ball and cause them problems, Sharp is exactly the sort of player we want in and around the box to punish them. He just can’t carry the fight to the opposition without service when we’re on the back foot.

That's fine if we are getting the ball into the box......

 

[nopigfansintown]

If Leon would've square the ball for Ched, instead of shooting at he near post, we draw the game.

 

[Darthblade]

He was no better or worse thqm Sharp in that game, zero service.

Shame Lavery wasn't selected, I think he is getting a bit of a raw deal at the moment as he is the one forward who can do that bit different and create a chance for himself.

Lavery was pretty poor against Walsall when he had the chance to impress Tufty ......

UTB & FTP

 

[Sneinton Blade 1952]

If I am proved wrong about Ched - and my doubts are based on whether he has the acumen and fitness to make it at championship level, not based on any moral agenda as some imply - this site will get the biggest mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa it has ever witnessed, and my own admission that Lincoln Blade is the biggest bollock, nob, shithead, throbber (what's one of them?!!!), one-dimensional wum, prick, berk, to ever post on s24su. I promise ...

 

[ghandi]

I wonder how many of the morons who booed Ched will have gone straight out on the piss, onto a club and hoping to pull some impressionable bird?

I did but didn't manage to score.