Che & dcl

[Jehovah]

Hopefully long can step up, afterall, who at this level is much better!??

The cleaner

 

[ernie]

Why on earth would we keep Calvert Lewin on loan? If we don't sell him and he remains as our player, I would hope and expect that he will be a long way away from our starting eleven. If we have him on loan, the expectation will be for him to play. He is behind all of our other attacking options ability-wise, so this would be massively detrimental to our season.

I wouldn't be disappointed if we sold him. Adams, on the other hand, I would like us to keep.

Its all a matter of perspective and were you are stood (quantum physics) Adams "did" show potential; unfortunately his life style choices let him down and they definitely reflect into the game. He as some "Higdoness" qualities about him, " just cant be arsed"

I, like blade 67, believe you will see a different animal in DCL this season and if you view the 1st. goal at Grimsby, a brilliant long ball in from Sharpe and the technical ability to control on the chest ....elevate it and then........head over the goalkeeper was nothing short of brilliance. Had Ronaldo done that it would have been all over the media.

But I am stood in a different position to you !

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Keep DCL and get rid of Adams regardless .

DCL has a great future in front of him . Adams , on the other hand , hasn't .

Personally speaking , Im struggling to understand why quite so many rate Adams as highly as they do . I don't see the same potential in him as some do and at the moment I see very little footballing ability in him .

I looked really closely at his game last season and it was abundantly clear to see why Billy Sharpe was frustrated with him to the point of anger or sheer exasperation . His first touch/control Is wholly inadequate . His finishing is mediocre at best . His footballing nous is non-existent and his attitude stinks .

If we have received an offer anywhere near what Birmingham City have allegedly bid ..... 1.7 million ..... I'd snatch their hands off .
The only reason I can see for CW holding out for a bigger fee is that he's playing the transfer market for all its worth in order to secure the best possible deal he possibly can for the club .

On a different topic I'm firmly of the belief that CW knows he will only be given and agreed percentage of any fee we get for player recruitment . NOT the full amount .

Agree with the Situation with Che . The sticking point is not the overall fee , it's the actual down payment , which may be so small , its either no use or ornament for Wilder to bring in the additional players he wants.

It's the payment terms , add on etc which is the problem . Also sometimes when the transfer fee is broken up into superset down payments , the buying club sometimes renages on the payment structure , either trying it on or they haven't got the cash .

More up front , more manoeuvre for Wilder and Knill.

UTB

 

[Finnieston]

Keep DCL and get rid of Adams regardless .

DCL has a great future in front of him . Adams , on the other hand , hasn't .

Personally speaking , Im struggling to understand why quite so many rate Adams as highly as they do . I don't see the same potential in him as some do and at the moment I see very little footballing ability in him .

I looked really closely at his game last season and it was abundantly clear to see why Billy Sharpe was frustrated with him to the point of anger or sheer exasperation . His first touch/control Is wholly inadequate . His finishing is mediocre at best . His footballing nous is non-existent and his attitude stinks .

If we have received an offer anywhere near what Birmingham City have allegedly bid ..... 1.7 million ..... I'd snatch their hands off .
The only reason I can see for CW holding out for a bigger fee is that he's playing the transfer market for all its worth in order to secure the best possible deal he possibly can for the club .

On a different topic I'm firmly of the belief that CW knows he will only be given and agreed percentage of any fee we get for player recruitment . NOT the full amount .

Keep DCL and get rid of Adams regardless .

DCL has a great future in front of him . Adams , on the other hand , hasn't .

Personally speaking , Im struggling to understand why quite so many rate Adams as highly as they do . I don't see the same potential in him as some do and at the moment I see very little footballing ability in him .

I looked really closely at his game last season and it was abundantly clear to see why Billy Sharpe was frustrated with him to the point of anger or sheer exasperation . His first touch/control Is wholly inadequate . His finishing is mediocre at best . His footballing nous is non-existent and his attitude stinks .

If we have received an offer anywhere near what Birmingham City have allegedly bid ..... 1.7 million ..... I'd snatch their hands off .
The only reason I can see for CW holding out for a bigger fee is that he's playing the transfer market for all its worth in order to secure the best possible deal he possibly can for the club .

On a different topic I'm firmly of the belief that CW knows he will only be given and agreed percentage of any fee we get for player recruitment . NOT the full amount .

Totally agree .I just cant get on with him . You can tell he is going to be a problem.
Get rid.
Also taking wife to the station this morning who flys past us at about 60mph revving and swerving in 30mph zone.......You know who..
Knobhead......

 

[coolhandluke]

Agree with the Situation with Che . The sticking point is not the overall fee , it's the actual down payment , which may be so small , its either no use or ornament for Wilder to bring in the additional players he wants.

It's the payment terms , add on etc which is the problem . Also sometimes when the transfer fee is broken up into superset down payments , the buying club sometimes renages on the payment structure , either trying it on or they haven't got the cash .

More up front , more manoeuvre for Wilder and Knill.

UTB

I'm in complete agreement with you and that's exactly the reason why I believe CW's playing the transfer market for all its worth . A higher fee would almost certainly lead to a larger percentage of the total cost coming to the club as soon as the transfer is completed .

I'm also firmly of the belief that any subsequent payments wouldn't be CW's to use ..... they'll be used to offset some or all of the costs of CW's tenure to date e.g Hammond et al .

I must confess that when CW was appointed I wasn't in favour of it . But ill give him credit where it's due . He's managed to negotiate ' wriggle room ' in his dealings in the transfer market .

Early days I know but he appears to be significantly more astute in a managerial capacity than I originally gave him credit for .

 

[coolhandluke]

Totally agree .I just cant get on with him . You can tell he is going to be a problem.
Get rid.
Also taking wife to the station this morning who flys past us at about 60mph revving and swerving in 30mph zone.......You know who..
Knobhead......

He's a liability .

Get rid now and milk the silly fuckers that buy him for every penny we can get .

 

[Finnieston]

The labour exchange is full of failed footballers......Here comes another.

 

[Ricky]

What I'd aim for with Adams is at least £2m up front, after Ilkeston's cut. So that could be a total of around £2.3m up front. I don't think that's too unrealistic. A sell on clause for us should be a non negotiable condition of sale. Any performance based increases would be a bonus.

 

[cooperblade]

Totally agree .I just cant get on with him . You can tell he is going to be a problem.
Get rid.
Also taking wife to the station this morning who flys past us at about 60mph revving and swerving in 30mph zone.......You know who..
Knobhead......

Seem to remember Kazim-Richards being criticised for his driving as well. Perceived by many Blades to have an attitude problem but, although he's not stayed anywhere long, has played for some great clubs since he left us.

Nick Blackman was another one who had a so-called "attitude", again he's gone on to bigger and better things.

Don't think United fans take well to young lads with a bit of cockiness and swagger.

 

[Silent Blade]

Nick Blackman was another one who had a so-called "attitude", again he's gone on to bigger and better things.
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Not that much and he hasnt been having regular starts. He was the same last Wednesday as he was for us, still likes to attack on the right and do unnecessary step-overs which allows the opposing defence to regroup in the penalty box. Not a team player

 

[Pollingtonblade]

To all those saying if we sell any player for big money we can use it to reinvest, can anyone remember when we've ever done this?

 

[coolhandluke]

To all those saying if we sell any player for big money we can use it to reinvest, can anyone remember when we've ever done this?

There's a really strange phenomenon about all football clubs nowadays LS ...... They are often described as running costs .

I'll not confuse you with the details of this incredibly complex mathematical equation but ill attempt to break it down into one bite size chunk for you .

" Football Clubs in the shit sell players to avoid going bust "

 

[Pollingtonblade]

There's a really strange phenomenon about all football clubs nowadays LS ...... They are often described as running costs .

I'll not confuse you with the details of this incredibly complex mathematical equation but ill attempt to break it down into one bite size chunk for you .

" Football Clubs in the shit sell players to avoid going bust "

So how come other clubs can sell players and re invest in replacements and other good players?

 

[coolhandluke]

So how come other clubs can sell players and re invest in replacements and other good players?

Like who ?

 

[Ricky]

To all those saying if we sell any player for big money we can use it to reinvest, can anyone remember when we've ever done this?

But we've never had a manager less likely to take shit from the board and put up with broken promises.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Like who ?

It'd be easier for you to tell me who hasn't.

 

[coolhandluke]

It'd be easier for you to tell me who hasn't.

I rest my case your honour

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Are people really serious in implying that there isn't a player with bags of potential in Adams? If he goes, he'll go on to play at a decent level, I strongly believe that. Assuming he'd make the right move that is and not pick a Slew deal and hamper all his progress. If we hang on to him, his progress could be we us, we could go up, he'd be playing regularly and he'd then be at a decent level.

 

[coolhandluke]

Are people really serious in implying that there isn't a player with bags of potential in Adams? If he goes, he'll go on to play at a decent level, I strongly believe that. Assuming he'd make the right move that is and not pick a Slew deal and hamper all his progress. If we hang on to him, his progress could be we us, we could go up, he'd be playing regularly and he'd then be at a decent level.

What do you class as " a decent level " Kozzy ?

If he's as good as you say he is , surely it won't make any difference at all where he ends up , as his talent will shine through anywhere .

 

[1889]

Are people really serious in implying that there isn't a player with bags of potential in Adams? If he goes, he'll go on to play at a decent level, I strongly believe that. Assuming he'd make the right move that is and not pick a Slew deal and hamper all his progress. If we hang on to him, his progress could be we us, we could go up, he'd be playing regularly and he'd then be at a decent level.

I can't believe anyone thinks he's a great player or ever will be, he has all the physical attributes, but is let down by what's between his ears, add to that a poor touch and a general lack of effort and you'd have to conclude 1.7m is like a lottery win. I've always thought the same since he arrived and he's got worse the longer he's been here, ability is nothing without will and desire.
If he put the effort in that Billy Sharp does, it might mask his inadequacies, but he swaggers about, closes down defenders with no real purpose or determination but just for appearance sake and then dives at every opportunity anywhere near the 18 yard box.
In Wilders recent interview about attacking his options, he mentioned McNulty, Sharpy, Clarkey, Doney and Dom but no mention of Adamsy, so I'm in doubt he'll be on his way. It's just when and for how much, let's hope if there is a sell on clause, it doesn't also work in the negative!

 

[LenTednTony]

Seem to remember Kazim-Richards being criticised for his driving as well. Perceived by many Blades to have an attitude problem but, although he's not stayed anywhere long, has played for some great clubs since he left us.

Nick Blackman was another one who had a so-called "attitude", again he's gone on to bigger and better things.

Don't think United fans take well to young lads with a bit of cockiness and swagger.

Sometimes arrogance and 'swagger' aren't a bad thing if there is a strong manager who doesn't allow it to become disruptive. After all, a lot of strikers are confidence players and the arrogance assists that confidence. Sometimes though, it can be too much.

 

[BushBlade]

Are people really serious in implying that there isn't a player with bags of potential in Adams? If he goes, he'll go on to play at a decent level, I strongly believe that. Assuming he'd make the right move that is and not pick a Slew deal and hamper all his progress. If we hang on to him, his progress could be we us, we could go up, he'd be playing regularly and he'd then be at a decent level.

I'm not. But I know potential doesn't always translate into ability. Before he did his ACL Diego had lots of potential. And I remember when we were in the championship seeing lists of good young lower league players who we should have signed, all who had potential but most of whom aren't playing in the top league.

 

[coolhandluke]

Sometimes arrogance and 'swagger' aren't a bad thing if there is a strong manager who doesn't allow it to become disruptive. After all, a lot of strikers are confidence players and the arrogance assists that confidence. Sometimes though, it can be too much.

I agree . Arrogance and swagger aren't necessarily a bad thing . But arrogance and swagger are a real issue when there's nothing to back it up with .

All I see in anyone exuding Arrogance and swagger with little or no substance to back it up with , certainly in a professional sporting arena , is a prick .

 

[Bill puntin]

Are people really serious in implying that there isn't a player with bags of potential in Adams? If he goes, he'll go on to play at a decent level, I strongly believe that. Assuming he'd make the right move that is and not pick a Slew deal and hamper all his progress. If we hang on to him, his progress could be we us, we could go up, he'd be playing regularly and he'd then be at a decent level.

The problem is it sounds like he's got a dodgy attitude and in these days attitude goes along way to getting to the top or falling by the wayside