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This is not a post about the detailed minutiae of the performance, I'll leave that to others, more the whole experience.

Going to yesterday's match was a slightly last minute decision. It is the nearest United play to me, but my economic situation makes the costs of a day out stretching it. However with Christmas coming up I thought sod it let's have a treat.

At the station I met some blokes with carry outs and thought are they going to Carlisle and whilst waiting on the platform saw a couple more. I said "You can't all be going to watch Carlisle" to which in a Scottish brogue came the respone "Yes we are", "Ah but which team?" "Same as you Shedffield". S o that was a relief then. "Is that because of the Jocky Bryson connection?" I asked. "Yes, plus Killie are home to Celtic today". I thought that strange. I mean if United were home to Man U, I can't think of many Bades would high tail it out of Sheffield to watch Benfica just because Deono played for them.

The train journey yielded a further bonus in that they had a spare ticket so that saved me £3 on the turnstiles and funded the programme.

On arrival at Carlisle Citadel station I was amazed to be let out of a side entrance and into a phalanx of police. I eyed one of the coppers and jokingly said "We're not that bad surely?". Clearly this was the day the SRA/BBC had decided to come out of exile as he replied tersely "There has already been trouble with the Sheffield lads". As we moved up to the Griffen it too was surrounded by the Fuzz, but I assumed this was more to protect Unitedites from the quite notorious Cumbrian Crew, who many may know give Carlisle United a somehight higher and somewhat unwanted profile than this pleasant and friendly city merits.

Inside Killie v The Bhoys was on the box and my new found acquaintances went upstairs to view it in some comfort, although the scoreline was not to their liking.

Just after two, I walked down Warwick Road to meet an old mate from Poly days in Newcastle outside the Hugh McIlmoyle statue. Remember him? Good player for Carlisle he was. Nearly as prolific as Keith Edwards. We had a yarn and then went our separate ways. I couldn't remember seeing United win at Carlisle. I recall the 4-1 or was it 4-0 tonking when we just didn't turn up, but I'll have to look back through my records. John gave a prediction of 1-3. He should have gone to Betsavers!

The programme was a bit out of date with info on the Blades. Got the impression it was relying on pre-season stuff now overtaken by events. The trek around to the stand was a bit of a faff and interestingly the ticket made reference to a stand that had been renamed so that was a tad odd. I made my way in after the bag check and ended up in row Y, amongst the singers, which was good. I get a bit carried away at Blades games turning from the moderately conservative into a passionate neandethal, but today the emotion was tempered a tad by the weather and I feared another defeat.

As we started off kicking to the Warwick Road end it looked like Bassett was back. All bloody aerial stuff. Christ guys, play the sodding thing on the ground. For the first ten minutes it looked like 0-0 all over it and then we got the breakthrough. Flynn's tap in at the far post saw United go up a gear and when Blackman beat Collin at the near post I thought my fears were assuaged.

We chugged along to half time and what was disappointing was a sudden flurry of nasty and unnecessary challenges from both teams to be fair but started off by Carlisle on McDonald. It was all a bit silly. I got rather irratated at Maguire's constant pushes in the back of any approaching Carlisle attacker and equally Carlisle's petty hacking down of any Blades player who managed to go past them resulting in both players falling to the ground. At one point I thought we were going to end up with a sending off or two. Completely uncalled for. At least Long showed sporting behaviour when one of the Carlisle players got injured and this was reciprocated.

Carlisle looked more dangerous in potential attack with clever flicks but had no quality to get through the Blades defence, which for the most part was well marshalled by Collins, Maguuire et al. Long was good did some exellent stops and then the Cumbrians stepped it up a gear and scored.

'ello I thought here we go again - no! But after a further ten minutes the Blades regained composure and a rather strange goal from Collins? following a corner during which the Carlisle players just stopped, momentarily giving us fans the impressionthere there had been an infringement sealed it. A fourth would have been nice and the best chant of the day "You should have gone Christmas shopping" was well received by this Blade. The icing on the cake Wednesday's defeat YES!!

For me the United performance was a B-. I thought Flynn was excellent. The guy was everywhere 9/10. Hill to me was the worst. Ok at defending, bloody awful at crosses following the overlap. His continual efforts to get it into the Scrathing Pen suggests he could be a good 'bagatel' player.

So a happy Blade. Feel sorry for Carlisle. A club I hope stays up, but fear it may not. A rather run down ground and I'll declare an interest my late stepfather used to play for them before WWII.

The journey back was uneventful and nice to see us win for a change. UTB
 



Good post BF.

When were you at Newcastle Poly? I was there 85-89 and as it became Northumbria (stil Poly to me) a couple of years after I left it must have been the same time (ish) or before.
 
Good post BF.

When were you at Newcastle Poly? I was there 85-89 and as it became Northumbria (stil Poly to me) a couple of years after I left it must have been the same time (ish) or before.

Hi Chris,

No I was at the Poly 1977-80. John, the lad I met up with yesterday, and I were for a while in the same footy trials. He did a maths degree and is a big CUFC fan + shareholder. He lives in Mackamville (Sunderland) now and works for BT. He is still playing 5 a side at 53 and knocking in the goals - good on him. I was a goalie but gave it up years ago as my job meant I was floating around the countryside and often worked odd hours making training and playing a bit difficult.

I don't remember meeting any fellow Blades at the Poly, but in the first few weeks met a lad who supported the grunters. Think he might have been a Geoff, had ginger hair and a tad arrogant as many Wednesday fans are but at least you could have a sensible conversation with him.

I used to travel down to many home games, even evening ones in the green flash a Triumph Dolomite or get the train down and the Poole - Newcastle back. Think it left Midland station about 5.20. I think drive time were about 2 and a half hours. Getting out of Sheffield were a bastard though as I parked between London Road and Bramall Lane and of course was trying to get over towards Parkway. Could only come down when we didn't have a footy match. Used to take a radio with me and put it in the net!

One funny thing about Newcastle Poly was concerning its change of name. At one time apparently when it was considering becomong a uni thought was given to the name City University Newcastle upon Tyne. Until someone had the sense to consider the acronym!
 
Few years before me then. I didn't know any Blades there either although it was one of the biggest in the Country.

Didn't get up and down that much as a student / poor graduate but stayed in NE until a year ago and had a season ticket for last 7/8 years. Did night matches, etc. same as. Could be back in local before 7.30 on a Saturday as I parked behind Devonshire Green and headed out of north side of Sheff rather than Parkway.

Working in Gib now and living in Spain although still got a house that I rent out in the Tyne Valley.

Incidentally, the C**T is true - a very good friend of mine ran the Entertainments at the Union and he was involved in the meetings when it was discussed.
 
This is not a post about the detailed minutiae of the performance, I'll leave that to others, more the whole experience.

Going to yesterday's match was a slightly last minute decision. It is the nearest United play to me, but my economic situation makes the costs of a day out stretching it. However with Christmas coming up I thought sod it let's have a treat.

At the station I met some blokes with carry outs and thought are they going to Carlisle and whilst waiting on the platform saw a couple more. I said "You can't all be going to watch Carlisle" to which in a Scottish brogue came the respone "Yes we are", "Ah but which team?" "Same as you Shedffield". S o that was a relief then. "Is that because of the Jocky Bryson connection?" I asked. "Yes, plus Killie are home to Celtic today". I thought that strange. I mean if United were home to Man U, I can't think of many Bades would high tail it out of Sheffield to watch Benfica just because Deono played for them.

The train journey yielded a further bonus in that they had a spare ticket so that saved me £3 on the turnstiles and funded the programme.

On arrival at Carlisle Citadel station I was amazed to be let out of a side entrance and into a phalanx of police. I eyed one of the coppers and jokingly said "We're not that bad surely?". Clearly this was the day the SRA/BBC had decided to come out of exile as he replied tersely "There has already been trouble with the Sheffield lads". As we moved up to the Griffen it too was surrounded by the Fuzz, but I assumed this was more to protect Unitedites from the quite notorious Cumbrian Crew, who many may know give Carlisle United a somehight higher and somewhat unwanted profile than this pleasant and friendly city merits.

Inside Killie v The Bhoys was on the box and my new found acquaintances went upstairs to view it in some comfort, although the scoreline was not to their liking.

Just after two, I walked down Warwick Road to meet an old mate from Poly days in Newcastle outside the Hugh McIlmoyle statue. Remember him? Good player for Carlisle he was. Nearly as prolific as Keith Edwards. We had a yarn and then went our separate ways. I couldn't remember seeing United win at Carlisle. I recall the 4-1 or was it 4-0 tonking when we just didn't turn up, but I'll have to look back through my records. John gave a prediction of 1-3. He should have gone to Betsavers!

The programme was a bit out of date with info on the Blades. Got the impression it was relying on pre-season stuff now overtaken by events. The trek around to the stand was a bit of a faff and interestingly the ticket made reference to a stand that had been renamed so that was a tad odd. I made my way in after the bag check and ended up in row Y, amongst the singers, which was good. I get a bit carried away at Blades games turning from the moderately conservative into a passionate neandethal, but today the emotion was tempered a tad by the weather and I feared another defeat.

As we started off kicking to the Warwick Road end it looked like Bassett was back. All bloody aerial stuff. Christ guys, play the sodding thing on the ground. For the first ten minutes it looked like 0-0 all over it and then we got the breakthrough. Flynn's tap in at the far post saw United go up a gear and when Blackman beat Collin at the near post I thought my fears were assuaged.

We chugged along to half time and what was disappointing was a sudden flurry of nasty and unnecessary challenges from both teams to be fair but started off by Carlisle on McDonald. It was all a bit silly. I got rather irratated at Maguire's constant pushes in the back of any approaching Carlisle attacker and equally Carlisle's petty hacking down of any Blades player who managed to go past them resulting in both players falling to the ground. At one point I thought we were going to end up with a sending off or two. Completely uncalled for. At least Long showed sporting behaviour when one of the Carlisle players got injured and this was reciprocated.

Carlisle looked more dangerous in potential attack with clever flicks but had no quality to get through the Blades defence, which for the most part was well marshalled by Collins, Maguuire et al. Long was good did some exellent stops and then the Cumbrians stepped it up a gear and scored.

'ello I thought here we go again - no! But after a further ten minutes the Blades regained composure and a rather strange goal from Collins? following a corner during which the Carlisle players just stopped, momentarily giving us fans the impressionthere there had been an infringement sealed it. A fourth would have been nice and the best chant of the day "You should have gone Christmas shopping" was well received by this Blade. The icing on the cake Wednesday's defeat YES!!

For me the United performance was a B-. I thought Flynn was excellent. The guy was everywhere 9/10. Hill to me was the worst. Ok at defending, bloody awful at crosses following the overlap. His continual efforts to get it into the Scrathing Pen suggests he could be a good 'bagatel' player.

So a happy Blade. Feel sorry for Carlisle. A club I hope stays up, but fear it may not. A rather run down ground and I'll declare an interest my late stepfather used to play for them before WWII.

The journey back was uneventful and nice to see us win for a change. UTB

Excellent post.
UTB
COYRWW
 
This is not a post about the detailed minutiae of the performance, I'll leave that to others, more the whole experience.

Going to yesterday's match was a slightly last minute decision. It is the nearest United play to me, but my economic situation makes the costs of a day out stretching it. However with Christmas coming up I thought sod it let's have a treat.

At the station I met some blokes with carry outs and thought are they going to Carlisle and whilst waiting on the platform saw a couple more. I said "You can't all be going to watch Carlisle" to which in a Scottish brogue came the respone "Yes we are", "Ah but which team?" "Same as you Shedffield". S o that was a relief then. "Is that because of the Jocky Bryson connection?" I asked. "Yes, plus Killie are home to Celtic today". I thought that strange. I mean if United were home to Man U, I can't think of many Bades would high tail it out of Sheffield to watch Benfica just because Deono played for them.

The train journey yielded a further bonus in that they had a spare ticket so that saved me £3 on the turnstiles and funded the programme.

On arrival at Carlisle Citadel station I was amazed to be let out of a side entrance and into a phalanx of police. I eyed one of the coppers and jokingly said "We're not that bad surely?". Clearly this was the day the SRA/BBC had decided to come out of exile as he replied tersely "There has already been trouble with the Sheffield lads". As we moved up to the Griffen it too was surrounded by the Fuzz, but I assumed this was more to protect Unitedites from the quite notorious Cumbrian Crew, who many may know give Carlisle United a somehight higher and somewhat unwanted profile than this pleasant and friendly city merits.

Inside Killie v The Bhoys was on the box and my new found acquaintances went upstairs to view it in some comfort, although the scoreline was not to their liking.

Just after two, I walked down Warwick Road to meet an old mate from Poly days in Newcastle outside the Hugh McIlmoyle statue. Remember him? Good player for Carlisle he was. Nearly as prolific as Keith Edwards. We had a yarn and then went our separate ways. I couldn't remember seeing United win at Carlisle. I recall the 4-1 or was it 4-0 tonking when we just didn't turn up, but I'll have to look back through my records. John gave a prediction of 1-3. He should have gone to Betsavers!

The programme was a bit out of date with info on the Blades. Got the impression it was relying on pre-season stuff now overtaken by events. The trek around to the stand was a bit of a faff and interestingly the ticket made reference to a stand that had been renamed so that was a tad odd. I made my way in after the bag check and ended up in row Y, amongst the singers, which was good. I get a bit carried away at Blades games turning from the moderately conservative into a passionate neandethal, but today the emotion was tempered a tad by the weather and I feared another defeat.

As we started off kicking to the Warwick Road end it looked like Bassett was back. All bloody aerial stuff. Christ guys, play the sodding thing on the ground. For the first ten minutes it looked like 0-0 all over it and then we got the breakthrough. Flynn's tap in at the far post saw United go up a gear and when Blackman beat Collin at the near post I thought my fears were assuaged.

We chugged along to half time and what was disappointing was a sudden flurry of nasty and unnecessary challenges from both teams to be fair but started off by Carlisle on McDonald. It was all a bit silly. I got rather irratated at Maguire's constant pushes in the back of any approaching Carlisle attacker and equally Carlisle's petty hacking down of any Blades player who managed to go past them resulting in both players falling to the ground. At one point I thought we were going to end up with a sending off or two. Completely uncalled for. At least Long showed sporting behaviour when one of the Carlisle players got injured and this was reciprocated.

Carlisle looked more dangerous in potential attack with clever flicks but had no quality to get through the Blades defence, which for the most part was well marshalled by Collins, Maguuire et al. Long was good did some exellent stops and then the Cumbrians stepped it up a gear and scored.

'ello I thought here we go again - no! But after a further ten minutes the Blades regained composure and a rather strange goal from Collins? following a corner during which the Carlisle players just stopped, momentarily giving us fans the impressionthere there had been an infringement sealed it. A fourth would have been nice and the best chant of the day "You should have gone Christmas shopping" was well received by this Blade. The icing on the cake Wednesday's defeat YES!!

For me the United performance was a B-. I thought Flynn was excellent. The guy was everywhere 9/10. Hill to me was the worst. Ok at defending, bloody awful at crosses following the overlap. His continual efforts to get it into the Scrathing Pen suggests he could be a good 'bagatel' player.

So a happy Blade. Feel sorry for Carlisle. A club I hope stays up, but fear it may not. A rather run down ground and I'll declare an interest my late stepfather used to play for them before WWII.

The journey back was uneventful and nice to see us win for a change. UTB

Great read....on the match...slightly harsh on Hill as I thought defensively he was excellant...just that his distribution was its usual poor quality. Thought Maguire,Porter and Miller were far worse than Hill. Agree re Flynn but also Westlake played very well imo.
 
Tell us a bit more about the game boys please. I watched the highlights and it looked like they could have got back into it earlier, but not for a bit of luck (them hitting bar and post). Long looked slightly suspect on goal (and when they hit woodwork x 2). Carlisle are a lot poorer than last term, but it was still a very good away victory.
 
BladeFisher, good write up on your day out watching the Blades.

Like one or two on this thread went to Uni in the north-east (Sunderland), 94-96 in my case, any earlier and it would have been a Poly! Should have gone back in 2005 (to Teesside) to do a Masters but they pulled the course at the last minute. The Carlisle review and talk of the north-east are giving me flashbacks about just what a freezing cold place it is up.

Had some great times in Mackem land but it seems a world away now.
 
Tell us a bit more about the game boys please. I watched the highlights and it looked like they could have got back into it earlier, but not for a bit of luck (them hitting bar and post). Long looked slightly suspect on goal (and when they hit woodwork x 2). Carlisle are a lot poorer than last term, but it was still a very good away victory.

Hi Ollie, spoke to John my Carlisle mate tonight, who I met briefly before the game. He thought Carlisle had one of their better days and fellow Blues fans near him thought that the Blades were not the best team in the league at the moment but Bournemouth are. Carlisle having recently played them twice.

He said the McDonald foul was by Cadamartari and much of the Carlisle niggly stuff was by a guy called Garner, who had been on loan at Forest and Leicester (say no more).

From my own observations I felt the Blades looked fairly solid if rather predictable. I thought we wanted to win the game and to be fair to Danny and the boys once we went ahead continually looked to attack.

Where I was more concerned was that bit of inventiveness. Apart from 10 minutes between the 70 and 80th minute Carlisle did virtually nothing but they did seem a tad more creative in comimg forward its just that when they got to the 18 yard area they ran out of ideas and United's back four on the whole were pretty effective. It is midfield where we are lacking. Effort no problem, it is creativity. Prior to McDonald's injury I didn't think he pulled up that many trees and if we need something it as someone to pair with the guy, not only when he is playing but when he is injured.

The United players looked all much of a muchness. Generally pretty effective but no one outstanding. As posted above Flynn was good and so was Westlake. As for Hill I did say he was ok defensively (meaning he did his job fine) but going forward and crossing he is pants. Don't know if this is par for the course in his case. At times I thought we had Harry Hill rather than Mat Hill playing for us.

The Blades fans were all right. Not continually raucous I admit but fine. The bits that did disappoint me where the firework let off then thrown into the crowd by a Blades fan and later a red hand held flare. It might seem petty but really these things are dangerous and its not fair on either your fellow Blades or other fans to chuck these things around like confetti. If racial abuse is unacceptable then so is this moronic behaviour. Save this thort of thing for the demented Argies/Latinos etc.

On the whole United easily deserved their win, it at last gives us away points on the board again at potentially a tricky ground. The only negative was the injury to McDonald.
 
As for Hill I did say he was ok defensively (meaning he did his job fine) but going forward and crossing he is pants. Don't know if this is par for the course in his case.

Very much par. If he could do anything with the ball he'd not be in this division.

You could say similar things for most of our players. Flynn can play but lacks pace and strength. McMahon can defend but is too slow/unfit to get forward. Doyle can dig in but can't pass. McDonald is the reverse.

It's all about the balance of attributes across the eleven. On our day and at full strength we're far too good for most. Take either element out and we're an ordinary Div1 side.
 
Very much par. If he could do anything with the ball he'd not be in this division.

You could say similar things for most of our players. Flynn can play but lacks pace and strength. McMahon can defend but is too slow/unfit to get forward. Doyle can dig in but can't pass. McDonald is the reverse.

It's all about the balance of attributes across the eleven. On our day and at full strength we're far too good for most. Take either element out and we're an ordinary Div1 side.

Sums us up and where we are perfectly.
 
BladeFisher, good write up on your day out watching the Blades.

Like one or two on this thread went to Uni in the north-east (Sunderland), 94-96 in my case, any earlier and it would have been a Poly! Should have gone back in 2005 (to Teesside) to do a Masters but they pulled the course at the last minute. The Carlisle review and talk of the north-east are giving me flashbacks about just what a freezing cold place it is up.

Had some great times in Mackem land but it seems a world away now.

Lucky Escape there mate and yes that north sea breeze was quite a killer
 



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