Caolan Lavery

[seanbeenstattoo]

Been a big fan of Caolan since we signed him and always will him to make himself hard to leave out.
Leaving aside injury and fitness issues,yesterday was a perfect opportunity to give Wilder a very,very difficult decision to make when Clarke is available.

Leaving aside that things didn't come off for him,although that might well be connected to the point of the post.
He didn't look up for it. His body language was negative. He didn't close down and defend from the top as Billy did. He was slow in thought and action and I thought he might not reappear for the second half.
Then he went for a ball I thought in anger and frustration more than realistic expectation and paid a price.
I couldn't help wondering as he left the field that in that situation any of our other 10 might have stayed on. I may be being unfair to him here but we all have thoughts based on what we see in games.
Evans did more in 10 minutes and I wonder if Lavery is going to be surplus to requirements in the not too distant future.
I hope not,but there's a nagging doubt for me.

 

[Davalon]

Watching him come off I doubt he could have stayed on but agree with your sentiments.

I've wondered if he's sulked a bit with the Evans thing, particularly when Wilder publicly criticised him. Thought he was poor off the ball against Leicester.

Btw does anyone know how he got the black eye last week?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

We seem to be running out of striker options for Sunderland game,maybe Ched and Brooks can share the partneship with Sharp.

Lavery could have broke his cheekbone

,if he has that will be a few weeks out,window closing soon.......Chris

 

[DronnieBlade]

I hope he is OK this morning. Looked well groggy as he went off. Hope nothing more than a bad headache !

But the evidence on the pitch continues to suggest he edges ever closer to the exit door. Imminent additions in this area of the pitch will only speed up the process.

UTB

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Been a big fan of Caolan since we signed him and always will him to make himself hard to leave out.
Leaving aside injury and fitness issues,yesterday was a perfect opportunity to give Wilder a very,very difficult decision to make when Clarke is available.

Leaving aside that things didn't come off for him,although that might well be connected to the point of the post.
He didn't look up for it. His body language was negative. He didn't close down and defend from the top as Billy did. He was slow in thought and action and I thought he might not reappear for the second half.
Then he went for a ball I thought in anger and frustration more than realistic expectation and paid a price.
I couldn't help wondering as he left the field that in that situation any of our other 10 might have stayed on. I may be being unfair to him here but we all have thoughts based on what we see in games.
Evans did more in 10 minutes and I wonder if Lavery is going to be surplus to requirements in the not too distant future.
I hope not,but there's a nagging doubt for me.

I share your thoughts re: Lavery. He has the pace and quick feet that no-one (Brooks aside) has so have been wishing him to break through.

However as we've seen many times in many different sports - physical talent can only take you so far. It's between the ears which can make the difference between being average and being great.

 

[JohnDenver]

Someone said he could use a loan to get a proper run of games. They're right - he's not had that in his whole career and it's desperately needed. He's got enough about him to make him worth keeping.

 

[8lade]

Excellent, well constructed, fair opening statement, we need more discussion like this.
Just not working for him at the moment, agree he needs that run of games and was really pleased when he scored v Leicester where his work rate had been superb.

 

[Ricky]

Wilder indicated that two bids have come in for players other than Brayford, I think Lavery could be one of those along with Hanson.

Shouldn't sell him though. Loan if anything.

 

[Dnblade]

I had high hopes for the lad this season,but he seems to have gone backwards,although he hasn't played much of late...could be just lacking fitness,but like SBT alluded to,this is his chance with Clarke out,and with new faces coming in will make it tough and push him further down the pecking order.

 

[Bartleby]

I couldn't help wondering as he left the field that in that situation any of our other 10 might have stayed on. I may be being unfair to him here but we all have thoughts based on what we see in games.

Was sitting quite close to where it happened and it made a right noise when their heads collided. Lavery looked to be swollen around his eye, and I noticed last week when he was on the touchline before the game that he had sutures on his eyebrow from some previous injury, so that might have been why he came off worse of the two.

 

[Esablade]

He's a tryer with some skill, but my initial doubts haven't shifted as yet...this injury ( presuming the worst) couldn't have come at a worse time for the lad.

Suspect we'll get this loan in who will take the chance to cement a place alongside Sharp.

UTB!

 

[Ron_Justice]

Watching in iFollow and the camera man did a decent job of showing the incident, in real time. After he got to his feet, he really wasn't in any shape to continue - unsure of his footing, moving very gingerly, bloodied. Not in any shape to carry on.

Interestingly and echoing what has been said here, Kevin Gage, at one point said that him and Staton had mentioned every player, in reflection of them all being involved/doing sell. True, BUT Lavery's name had hardly been mentioned at all, if ever - I was paying attention to it, because as we've lost Clarke (presumably 1st choice), I was curious to see how, whoever stepped in, would perform.

 

[blader]

Think Lavery is harshly treated. Has value in this squad just not as a starter, could be used as an impact, he has a bit of pace and is quite a big lad.

Also, let's be fair, how would you feel if a player who has done nothing this season is treated like a hero? Lavery was part of our title winning squad and Evans, who has contributed f*** all (oh no, sorry, he had a shot at Cardiff ) gets legend status. I'd be confused and frustrated by the whole thing, and I'm sure Lavery must be wondering what it's all about too.

'Evans did more in 10 minutes' - sorry, totally disagree. I still believe people are seeing what they want to see with Evans. If he was another random signing, I guarantee everyone would saying 'what does he offer? Looks like a dud' but it's Evans so he gets a free pass.

Would keep Lavery as an impact, think he can change a game more than any of our other options, but we still need a striker to add competition at the top end of the pitch.

 

[Lee Baxter]

I'd be seeking out a loan move for Lavery providing we can strengthen our striking options before the end of the the window. As ILTRM said already, it's what's between his ears that concerns me.

He's got some decent attributes as far as his close control, quick feet & fairly athletic build go, but I have no faith in him making the right decisions with the ball. He sees passes that aren't there, he sees gaps to run into that don't exist. It could be that with a consistent run of games he'd develop his footballing brain but he's unlikely to ever get that here.

A season long loan where he's one of the first names on the teamsheet would be the perfect opportunity to assess whether he's got what it takes to develop and become a threat at championship level. You can see there's some ability there; just need him to harness it.

 

[Esablade]

Think Lavery is harshly treated. Has value in this squad just not as a starter, could be used as an impact, he has a bit of pace and is quite a big lad.

Also, let's be fair, how would you feel if a player who has done nothing this season is treated like a hero? Lavery was part of our title winning squad and Evans, who has contributed f*** all (oh no, sorry, he had a shot at Cardiff ) gets legend status. I'd be confused and frustrated by the whole thing, and I'm sure Lavery must be wondering what it's all about too.

'Evans did more in 10 minutes' - sorry, totally disagree. I still believe people are seeing what they want to see with Evans. If he was another random signing, I guarantee everyone would saying 'what does he offer? Looks like a dud' but it's Evans so he gets a free pass.

Would keep Lavery as an impact, think he can change a game more than any of our other options, but we still need a striker to add competition at the top end of the pitch.

They're both impact players at the moment, though for different reasons...IMO there have been glimpses from Ched but he's not at the same fitness levels as the others so I guess the hope is he'll reach those levels and kick on... Lavery is at those level's but hasn't really looked to kick on yet in his, admittedly limited outings.

 

[Silvio Morris]

I thought Lavery was trying too hard at times, trying to make that 2nd striker spot his own.
A couple of minutes before the clash of heads he put out a bad pass whilst we were in a good attacking position. His frustration was clear to see, and he seemed doubly determined to make amends when he leapt for that header. Hopefully he will be fine in a couple of days.
I actually think its good that we have him an Ched competing for that 2nd spot, drive each other up a notch.

 

[robbiez666]

I think the problem is that both Lavery and Evans are currently only really options from the bench. Which is fine if we had starting options in front of them.

I still think both would benefit from a loan until January. Unfortunately, we're a long way off from being in a position where that can happen.

 

[Smirth]

Up until injury time when he held the ball up in the corner well I thought Evans was awful and offered nothing.

 

[sheffielder]

Was interesting to watch the relationship between Wilder and Lavery yesterday. Wilder was getting very frustrated in his positional play both with or without the ball.

 

[sheffielder]

Up until injury time when he held the ball up in the corner well I thought Evans was awful and offered nothing.

I thought it was the best he has looked so far. more to come hopefully

 

[nicksufc]

He hardly had a touch in the first half despite us dominating, and actually it was his miscontrol with led to the Derby playing whacking it in his own net. Wasn't great overall, I think Brooks and Sharp upfront is the future. But if we're going to get another striker in I think we have to ship one or two out (Lavery, Hanson)

 

[Slim Man]

Someone said he could use a loan to get a proper run of games. They're right - he's not had that in his whole career and it's desperately needed. He's got enough about him to make him worth keeping.

That was me. And he does need a loan out playing up front consistently. He doesn't seem to understand the role, what's required of him in the box. That might be to do with playing a lot of games out wide but maybe that's me making excuses.

The proofs in the pudding, at the minute he isn't championship quality at any stretch. 5 months in League One would be invaluable, tell us a lot and there would be a host of clubs willing to have him.

 

[Iceybabey]

I think yesterday he felt a bit of pressure to perform and we have to remember he's still a young lad. I thought he put a shift in though and always looked to help out down our right with Freeman etc.

 

[Foody]

He looked absolutely devoid of confidence yesterday, he was certainly the weak link. He had several opportunities to run at them, and had he backed himself he could've got into some great positions. Instead he looked for the easy pass. He can have impact coming on, but isn't good enough to earn a start. Hope this new striker signs soon.

 

[Worksop II]

I thought nothing stuck to him, and he was due to get the hook, until injury forced him off anyway

Probably tried too hard and it cost him some pain .... cant fault him for willingness and effort

Just not happening for him

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Impact player at best. Really hoping CW can bring in a real striking presence up top to play with Billy.

 

[Ricky]

He hasn't made the most of his opportunities generally but it has to be said that he's very unlucky. He got more bad luck yesterday, he finally starts a league game and he's forced off with injury, when that second half might have suited him.

If we sign 2 strikers, then I do think we should send him out on loan. It's not like we can just wait until September/October either, and choose to loan him out if he's not in the squad. There's no loan window anymore, so we have to make the decision very soon. If we don't, then he could end up wasting 5 months and he can't afford to spend much longer on the sidelines.

As I said though, only if we sign 2 strikers. Because Hanson will be going. And given the questionable options we've got in terms of reliability we need to have 5 strikers to choose from.

 

[GrayBlade]

It's been the same story with Lavery almost from the off. He can really look the biz coming on late in games against tiring players, but has rarely if ever produced the goods whenever he's started. He's had his share of injuries I know but it doesn't account for performances like yesterday. I don't think we can afford to send him out on loan because we are really in the crap up front right now.

I think that fact of the matter is that him and Hanson are probably not good enough to start at this level, and there's a question mark about Clarke and Evans. We really need a couple of strikers in next week, one permanent and maybe a Premiership starlet with pace, then we could look at offloading or a loan out.

We still need another CB, but up front has to be our main concern so hopefully the board will step up to the mark. Meanwhile, I'd make Billy play in bubble wrap.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Up until injury time when he held the ball up in the corner well I thought Evans was awful and offered nothing.

So you didn't notice him winning almost every ball in the air.

 

[bladesman3]

Been a big fan of Caolan since we signed him and always will him to make himself hard to leave out.
Leaving aside injury and fitness issues,yesterday was a perfect opportunity to give Wilder a very,very difficult decision to make when Clarke is available.

Leaving aside that things didn't come off for him,although that might well be connected to the point of the post.
He didn't look up for it. His body language was negative. He didn't close down and defend from the top as Billy did. He was slow in thought and action and I thought he might not reappear for the second half.
Then he went for a ball I thought in anger and frustration more than realistic expectation and paid a price.
I couldn't help wondering as he left the field that in that situation any of our other 10 might have stayed on. I may be being unfair to him here but we all have thoughts based on what we see in games.
Evans did more in 10 minutes and I wonder if Lavery is going to be surplus to requirements in the not too distant future.
I hope not,but there's a nagging doubt for me.

I thought Lavery was poor yesterday, look disinterested and lacks the pace that I thought he had...he was the one weak link yesterday, sorry to say