Cannon?

[Houston_Blade]

Evans didn’t ’take the step down’ he was relegated as the main striker in one of the most dysfunctional teams/seasons we’ve ever had. Don’t make out he made a choice.

He still needed to be a league one player to be any good. Cannon and Brewster are the same I imagine.

 

[utd4ever]

I feel sorry for Cannon.
Until this anti football dinosaur of a manager does one we are going to bore the shit out of 99% of the fan base.

We need a new manager who knows modern day football and coaches the team properly.

 

[BeardyBlade]

I feel sorry for Cannon.
Until this anti football dinosaur of a manager does one we are going to bore the shit out of 99% of the fan base.

We need a new manager who knows modern day football and coaches the team properly.

Like Selles?

 

[BeardyBlade]

So, stats after 40 minutes, 8 touches of the ball. Absolutely 110% not acceptable, first home game of the season.
If we can, get him away.
1 Point and a clean sheet, ah well.
Birmingham will turn a few over this year, big strong team.
UTB

Cannons wank. Was before we got him. But this isn’t the issue. There needs to be stats on the recruitment team and how often they are signing gash players that no other team goes after and how often they actually get a signing right. I’ll bet the only players that are any good or we sell for a profit are academy based, whilst the league recruitment, I could probably do better randomly selecting candidates. Shine the light on the real problem not the end product.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Cannon gets the blame. Bamford was no better yesterday. Everyone has decided that everything is Cannon’s fault but we do not play the right style of football that suits him. We looked no better when Campbell came on.

If Cannon goes somewhere else he will score goals. We don’t have the creativity that helps his game. In fact now Hamer has gone we have no creativity.

You couldn't be more wrong if you were sat on the top floor of a school bus wearing nothing but your mum's underwear whilst knocking one out to Caravan Weekly....

 

[MayorOJC]

Just feels like the perfect opportunity to sell, with Preston and Stoke presumably interested at the right price. Might not get the chance again.

 

[Silky Sabella]

What an inappropriate reply to a post that rings of the truth. "You couldn't be more right" should have been your opening line

 

[Houston_Blade]

Just feels like the perfect opportunity to sell, with Preston and Stoke presumably interested at the right price. Might not get the chance again.

The right price at the moment is anything above zero £. Getting him gone and off the wage bill would be a positive step.

 

[Nedski]

In fairness, I think there were three or four penalties in the Stoke total (which we neglected to pay any sort of attention to), so he was hardly ripping it up.

We've sometimes been guilty of bringing people in on the strength of a single performance against us. Reda Khadra and, well, Ruben Selles, being examples.

For Stoke, at The Lane, Cannon was easily marked out of the game and posed little sign of threats in the form of pace, movement or link play. Our recruitment team must have been looking the other way.

There was also the Pompey game where he scored 4 - a complete one off event which he'll never come close to doing again.

Apparently his AI stats were very very good, and he was described as an Alan Shearer type when he was coming through Everton's development squad.

There's also a rumour that he really didn't want to come here but Leicester needed the money and his agent pushed for it, so we've ended up with someone that already didn't want to be here, gets dogs abuse from his own fans, plays a system that doesn't help him at all, and is a complete recipe for disaster.

 

[MayorOJC]

There was also the Pompey game where he scored 4 - a complete one off event which he'll never come close to doing again.

Apparently his AI stats were very very good, and he was described as an Alan Shearer type when he was coming through Everton's development squad.

There's also a rumour that he really didn't want to come here but Leicester needed the money and his agent pushed for it, so we've ended up with someone that already didn't want to be here, gets dogs abuse from his own fans, plays a system that doesn't help him at all, and is a complete recipe for disaster.

This is what annoyed me so much at the time when we were signing him - his metrics were awful. Everything pointed to him just being a pure poacher who played no other impact in games; a terrible fit for what we needed and still need.

 

[Nedski]

This is what annoyed me so much at the time when we were signing him - his metrics were awful. Everything pointed to him just being a pure poacher who played no other impact in games; a terrible fit for what we needed and still need.

24 league games for Stoke, 9 goals, but those goals were scored in 6 games, 3 of which were penalties.

So he failed to score in 18 out of 24 games and if we remove the two games where he scored penalties (the other pen was against Portsmouth) he only scored in 4 out of 24 games. Surely the recruitment team were aware of this?

Although in his defence I think the actual fee was £4m?

 

[PokerBlade]

I've given him a lot of time and patience. Tried to make excuses for him. But he doesn't even do the bare minimum right.

Two stand out moments I can think of in the first half yesterday. One Seriki played it into his feet. A defender lightly breathed on him so his first touch was awful. The other was a ball down the channel that he'd made the run for and instead of even getting a touch it just baffled him and bounced out for a goal kick.

If the ball isn't 90/10 in his favour then he's losing possession. If he does control it he'll probably give it away with a loose pass. And those are the occasional times his movement means even available to receive it.

There is basically no player on our bench, maybe keepers aside, that would affect the game less than Cannon. Chuck an extra defender on, different striker, play 451, try sticking Burrows as a left winger. Anything has to be better than what I see from Cannon.

 

[Sean Thornton]

One was much better than him when he came on

He was an improvement still sat on the bench.

 

[wadblade]

In the second half, Cannon cleverly stole a few yards, getting a head start on his marker to chase a ball in behind. Only to be caught by the centre-back, beaten to the ball, and then — to add insult to injury — blown up for offside.

Much like Brewster and Ched Evans, he clearly has ball striking ability, but I think the best way to kick-start a player like him is to drop down a level, join a good side, and simply learn how to score consistently. Brewster has clung to this level and is no closer to fulfilling his potential. Evans took the step down and was phenomenal before disaster struck—and Billy Sharp is another prime example to learn from.

Sadly, Wilder seems hell-bent on giving him every opportunity to justify that enormous price tag, which ironically might end up hindering both the club and the player.

Ched scored a beauty yesterday

 

[BeardyBlade]

I've given him a lot of time and patience. Tried to make excuses for him. But he doesn't even do the bare minimum right.

Two stand out moments I can think of in the first half yesterday. One Seriki played it into his feet. A defender lightly breathed on him so his first touch was awful. The other was a ball down the channel that he'd made the run for and instead of even getting a touch it just baffled him and bounced out for a goal kick.

If the ball isn't 90/10 in his favour then he's losing possession. If he does control it he'll probably give it away with a loose pass. And those are the occasional times his movement means even available to receive it.

There is basically no player on our bench, maybe keepers aside, that would affect the game less than Cannon. Chuck an extra defender on, different striker, play 451, try sticking Burrows as a left winger. Anything has to be better than what I see from Cannon.

Exactly. Poor recruitment and stubbornness to play him when it’s obvious it’s not a ‘confidence’ issue, he’s garbage l, would rather see Davis given a run upfront, or the big lump McG (oh how I wish I meant the OG McG…)

 

[PokerBlade]

Exactly. Poor recruitment and stubbornness to play him when it’s obvious it’s not a ‘confidence’ issue, he’s garbage l, would rather see Davis given a run upfront, or the big lump McG (oh how I wish I meant the OG McG…)

It was watching us against Mansfield and you could see McGoldrick was so slow and cumbersome. But when the ball came to him he at least controlled it and sprayed a few passes around. He didn't just get repeatedly embarrassed.

If we stuck a 40yo Sharp out there he'd at least win us a few free kicks. There was one yesterday in the second half where a defender put his hands on Cannon's back and he flew forward two yards but he'd put up so little resistance the ref couldn't even think about giving a free kick. I'm not asking him to turn into a world beater but he's terrified of human contact.

 

[utd4ever]

Like Selles?

Selles was a horrendous appointment but going back to something that cost us promotion was no better.

 

[BeardyBlade]

It was watching us against Mansfield and you could see McGoldrick was so slow and cumbersome. But when the ball came to him he at least controlled it and sprayed a few passes around. He didn't just get repeatedly embarrassed.

If we stuck a 40yo Sharp out there he'd at least win us a few free kicks. There was one yesterday in the second half where a defender put his hands on Cannon's back and he flew forward two yards but he'd put up so little resistance the ref couldn't even think about giving a free kick. I'm not asking him to turn into a world beater but he's terrified of human contact.

Cannon genuinely looks like he hates football. Doesn’t want to be there, but had a little flurry of luck, we looked for form over the narrowest data set and promptly spunked our wodge on him hoping he’d be the new messiah. Unsurprisingly he’s wank.

 

[BeardyBlade]

Selles was a horrendous appointment but going back to something that cost us promotion was no better.

Let’s face it whoever they brought in would’ve promptly left or been sacked once they realised the owners pockets were puddle deep. Another shit sandwich season, can see no reason to follow them all over unless you really hate the Mrs. I’d rather her chew my ear all weekend than watch use get mugged off

 

[Dark muffy]

Tommy Cannot puts in the same performance every time he plays, doesn't touch the ball for 25 mins, then doesn't touch it for another 10 mins then has another touch after half time, then goes off after 60mins, every game plays out the same. In the minutes hes on the pitch, he gets out muscled, out ran, out paced and out thought. We've had some shocking strikers but he is right up there with the likes of Connor Sammon, Oliver Burke, Marlon King,

 

[PhucCancer]

Like Selles?

BRENDAN ROGERS

 

[Chimes]

Over the summer, I got a chance to nosy over a small amount of our team's data from last season in one of the stats databases - a top one that is used by elite professional sports clubs across the world. They have a metric that essentially measures how good a player is overall, giving them a number for their on-the-ball contribution (don't ask me how they calculate it!). It passed the eye test, with Hamer and Bamford coming out on top. Cannon was rock bottom along with the much maligned Alex Matos.

The point I'm trying to make is, there is no way the backroom staff aren't showing these numbers to Wilder. What we can all see from the stands is reflected in the spreadsheets, which Wilder himself often mentions in his interviews.

This makes it so frustrating to see Cannon shoehorned into the team week in week out, when the most likely conclusion I can come to is that Wilder HAS to know he is actively harming the team's chances of winning but considers it worth it due to his personal pride when it comes to Cannon's signing.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Done for me now.

Every time I see him on the pitch all I see is Father Doogle…

 

[Carlton Blade]

He's just like one of those kids who comes to training and has all the attributes to be a great player, yet in a match situation just completely shits the bed and turns into the shadow of his training persona.

To try to defend Wilder, you can only assume Cannon is ripping it up in training, yet come game time he completely shits the bed.

Can be the only explanation.

Except he has n9ne of the attributes

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

The owners must be mindful of what CW wasted on Cannon when he asks for funds.

Then again they brought him back and recently extended his contract.

I don’t think it’ll be long before it turns toxic myself. Cannon or no Cannon.

I hope I’m wrong.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Cannon gets the blame. Bamford was no better yesterday. Everyone has decided that everything is Cannon’s fault but we do not play the right style of football that suits him. We looked no better when Campbell came on.

If Cannon goes somewhere else he will score goals. We don’t have the creativity that helps his game. In fact now Hamer has gone we have no creativity.

You want to change how a team plays to suit a player who is utterly incapable of contributing in open play, is weak, slow and unable to impact the game despite 18 months of being here?

He's a terrible, terrible footballer who's not going to be a success

 

[Champagneblade]

We bought a player for £10M who can only score if we play a through ball on the carpet. But we don't play that ball. You can see him ready to go but only O'Hare could slip him in. With 4231, Cannon isnt the one. So he is not on the pitch even if O'Hare is in the 10 spot because he can't play up on his own. With 442. He plays but O'Hare is on the wing so he never gets the ball he wants. He seems incapable of adapting and incapable of physicality even though he is not small.

It fries my brain to think about who scouted him and Brewster. To get a scouting job you need to get qualified. To coach and/or manage you need your badges. With Selles 6 games losing streak playing 433 without the players to do it, and with our history of wasting money. It says a lot about the people designing and running these courses.

You’ve got to remember as an average those that end up in football are not the cream of the crop intellectually. I don’t think that is an incorrect or unfair statement. I’m talking about the average not the exceptions.

Generally majority have to favour football so leave school without completing education and that sets the pool.

Once playing days are over these same folks go into Coaching, Scouting etc. those with detailed analytical minds until perhaps some recent instances, are in other industries and you only have to look at the wages clubs will pay an analyst and it isn’t going to attract top tier talent.

This is not meant to offend. I’m not saying all footballers are thick or having a dig ant anyone who didn’t have a chance to further their education etc. But the average is there in the pool and it sets the tone.

Take even our PL recruitment. Callum Robinson. He was not a centre forward. If we decided to play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3 he would have been useful on the left. He wasn’t a Center Forward though so how did he even get recruited?

Oliver Burke was quick, but he also wasn’t a Center Forward.

Now I know we can’t afford top level talent but surely we could have afforded someone whose trade it was to play there?

I liked the phrase earlier used as well; why are we glacial paced when it comes to getting deals done? When it comes to players moving out they’re gone in days. Coming in? It’s like settling the Middle East conflict!

 

[Champagneblade]

The owners must be mindful of what CW wasted on Cannon when he asks for funds.

Then again they brought him back and recently extended his contract.

I don’t think it’ll be long before it turns toxic myself. Cannon or no Cannon.

I hope I’m wrong.

I’m not wholly convinced Wilder tracked him deeply. It felt like the owners wanted to help or their entourage did and asked if he’s be useful as an addition.

 

[Champagneblade]

Just feels like the perfect opportunity to sell, with Preston and Stoke presumably interested at the right price. Might not get the chance again.

We’ll be hearing the reduced fee as he’ll have less to run on his deal.

 

[bakeblade]

In fairness, I think there were three or four penalties in the Stoke total (which we neglected to pay any sort of attention to), so he was hardly ripping it up.

We've sometimes been guilty of bringing people in on the strength of a single performance against us. Reda Khadra and, well, Ruben Selles, being examples.

For Stoke, at The Lane, Cannon was easily marked out of the game and posed little sign of threats in the form of pace, movement or link play. Our recruitment team must have been looking the other way.

I remember that game. He came with a big reputation, a player to be worried about.
He was crap and I seem to remember subbed at half time, even so no alarm bells rung and we spent big on him.