Can Clubs Officially Agree Not to Play a New Signing?

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There are some indications that United agreed not to play Done against Rochdale.

True or not, last time this cropped up, a few years ago, I thought clubs weren't allowed to put it in a contract.

(Of course there are various practical workarounds.)

Does anyone know what the state of play is regarding agreeing not to play a new signing against an old club?
 



There are some indications that United agreed not to play Done against Rochdale.

True or not, last time this cropped up, a few years ago, I thought clubs weren't allowed to put it in a contract.

(Of course there are various practical workarounds.)

Does anyone know what the state of play is regarding agreeing not to play a new signing against an old club?

Yes they can . It can be part of the contractural agreement , especially if you are paying on the never never , with only a small down payment . Don't think we are daft enough to fall for that one . We will find out tomorrow , if Done is on the team sheet ( if not injured )

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Yes they can . It can be part of the contractural agreement , especially if you are paying on the never never , with only a small down payment . Don't think we are daft enough to fall for that one . We will find out tomorrow , if Done is on the team sheet ( if not injured )

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Can it? Are you sure about that? I can well imagine that it could be part of a loan deal due to conflicts of interest, but a doing it in a permanent deal would fall squarely under third party influence I would have thought.
 
Can it? Are you sure about that? I can well imagine that it could be part of a loan deal due to conflicts of interest, but a doing it in a permanent deal would fall squarely under third party influence I would have thought.

Not sure, did Colchester insist that Porter played against us or did we :)
 
Can it? Are you sure about that? I can well imagine that it could be part of a loan deal due to conflicts of interest, but a doing it in a permanent deal would fall squarely under third party influence I would have thought.

Many a club have a unwritten deal between chairman and agents on players . I would be surprised if it happened with Done , but you never know

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Many a club have a unwritten deal between chairman and agents on players . I would be surprised if it happened with Done , but you never know

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It cannot be written in a contract as this would be 3rd party influence

Can think of any occasion involving United when this may have happened since 'Kabbagate'
 
Many a club have a unwritten deal between chairman and agents on players . I would be surprised if it happened with Done , but you never know

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An unwritten deal is not part of the contract though is it? Yes you could argue that a verbal agreement is contractually binding, but given that trying to enforce that would put both clubs in breach of FA rules that's hardly likely to happen is it?
 
only reason he won't play is because of fitness he has started past 4-5 games is it think we might see him coming on as sub and mcnulty starting

and no-one has mentioned the man himself. Sure he'll be totally professional but he's bound to have mixed feelings about going back there so soon and who's to say there might be a bit of jealousy from one or two of his former team mates wanting to make a point. If he's going to be rested, tomorrow might be the game to do it, keeping him in reserve if needs be.
 



Done injured his arm on Saturday when we scored the first goal, he left the ground with it heavily strapped up according to a poster on Bladesmad so it would not surprise me if he missed the Rochdale game.
 
Done injured his arm on Saturday when we scored the first goal, he left the ground with it heavily strapped up according to a poster on Bladesmad so it would not surprise me if he missed the Rochdale game.
Old Samuels won't fall for that one! He'll be dusting off the kabba story as we speak...
 
The issue at stake in the Tevez affair was that the third party had the right to sell Tevez. I'm fairly sure that this extened to a right to prevent him from playing on a game-by-game basis, although I can't remember whether this was in the contract or simply the reality of Tevez's relationship with MSI. That's not what we're talking about here.

From an FA perspective the Tevez affair isn't really relevent. The football club selling/loaning a player is not a third party to the contract, they're one of the two parties engaged in it and the rules on third party ownership have nothing to do with such arrangements. In fact, slightly confusingly, the FA define third parties as "a person or entity that is not a Club or an Overseas Club." which seems to suggest that there's nothing in the FA's rules on third party investment which precludes a third club from having an interest in a player. More on that in a bit.

Moving on from third parties, can no-play arrangements exist between clubs? Certainly not in UEFA competitions (which we should remember for a few years' time when we're in the Champions League): "any provision in a private contract between clubs which might function in such a way as to influence who a club fields in a match is null, void and unenforceable so far as UEFA is concerned". This was clarified in the wake of the Courtois incident last year where it was claimed that Athletico were obliged to pay Chelsea extra money if they wanted to play him against his parent club.

Conversely, in the Premier League, a player on loan is explicitly prevented from appearing against his parent club (V.7.2. during the period of the Temporary Transfer of his contract registration a Player shall not play against the Transferor Club;) - partly to avoid such allegations of impropriety. Not so in the Football League where this is the default position but the clubs have leeway to explicitly allow the player to appear (52.5 During the period of any temporary loan transfer, a Player shall not play against his Parent Club (as defined in Regulation 53.1.1 below) without the prior written permission of the Parent Club (which, if given, must be indicated on the appropriate temporary loan transfer form)”).

None of which answers the question when it comes to Matty Done. After a quick look I can't find anything explicit in the FA rules in this regard (and I don't claim to have any particular knowledge in this regard). However, FIFA's rules seem clear:

3. a)The following provisions are binding at national level and must be included without modification in the association’s regulations: articles 2-8,10, 11, 18, 18bis, 19 and 19bis. .... 18bis Third-party influence on clubs 1.No club shall enter into a contract which enables any other party to that contract or any third party to acquire the ability to influence in employment and transfer-related matters its independence, its policies or the performance of its teams.

..which brings us back to Tevez, as this clause was introduced in the wake of that whole affair. In contrast to the FA's rules this clause covers both third parties and other parties to the contract, which clearly seems to cover a selling club. It seems to me that agreeing to prevent a player from playing is to "influence...the performance of its teams" and therefore banned under this provision.

So, can Done play against Rochdale? Yes. Unless he's injured...
 
A few years ago I would have replied to this thread pleading with us not to give him anything, as tenuous as it might be, to fill the media with his badly researched opinions.

Nowadays I am beyond caring about the opinion of cynical fat tramp.
 
So, can Done play against Rochdale? Yes. Unless he's injured...

Thanks. This is what I thought, and how it is usually reported.

It's not allowed to be part of a transfer agreement, however plenty of clubs have a gentlemens agreement.

I can see it being done off the record - and it'd be easy enough to leave out a player and cite pressure or tiredness or any other number of reasons for not playing - but are there any clear examples of this?
 
Can it? Are you sure about that? I can well imagine that it could be part of a loan deal due to conflicts of interest, but a doing it in a permanent deal would fall squarely under third party influence I would have thought.
I seem to recall it used to go on but was stopped re its a third party influence which is breaking the rules. As SwissBlade says ask Sammuels
 
and no-one has mentioned the man himself. Sure he'll be totally professional but he's bound to have mixed feelings about going back there so soon and who's to say there might be a bit of jealousy from one or two of his former team mates wanting to make a point. If he's going to be rested, tomorrow might be the game to do it, keeping him in reserve if needs be.
After the tevez affair cant see united risking the danger of entering an agreement which is illegal if done doas,nt play its because he is unfit but i am pretty confident he will take some part in the game. see you there blades fans? tough but winnable game.
 
Can't see us agreeing to it. Also can't believe Rochdale seeing it as a deal breaker.

Done wouldn't have been happy if the deal fell through because of it and they'd have been left with an unhappy player who would have probably ended up going out on loan because of it.

And so what if we upset them and play him if they are under the impression it was part of the deal. Hardly going to affect our future is it, not winning tomorrow might though.
 

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