Outgoing? Burrows

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'I am hearing' makes it sound like you have an inside line. Are you hearing it from an insider or have you read it online?
 



I can understand why he wants to go beaches second choice at present. If it means we can spend money elsewhere than great but if it's just going to service the debt that's a bit disappointing.

There's always going to be late deals in the window. Sadly it's us selling more than buying!
 
People happy to sell Burrows for “£4/5m” as RND looked half decent against Blackburn reserves are the reason this club just constantly stagnates and settles for mediocrity.

Edited. Same fans that were happy that we sold Bogle.
 
LiamBG said:
People happy to sell Burrows for “£4/5m” as RND looked half decent against Blackburn reserves are the reason this club just constantly stagnates and settles for mediocrity.

Edited. Same fans that were happy that we sold Bogle.
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Burrows is currently a poor second to McCallum in the pecking order. As a defender he hasn't got one redeeming attribute. He doesn't stop crosses, he doesn't win headers, he doesn't close down and he's weak mentally and physically. He lacks concentration, he's slow and he's nesh. He constantly backtracks when someone runs at him, and for some inexplicable reason, manages to spin himself around ,without the opponent doing anything. He has some attacking qualities but is an extremely limited player.
 



There have been a few misleading points being made about Burrows and his ability.

1. That Wilder prefers a more defensive fullback. If that was the case why in F@#k did he ask his full backs to play so high last season. And why had he them playing so narrow when we defenfed in depth. Seriki is better going forwardv but has been improving defensively. McCallum is a better defender but not so good attacking. So while McCallum has the position. Last season he was too far up the pitch. Our defence was totally disorganised and shambolic.

2. Burrows can't defend. If you looked closely at his first season he was positionally sound and read the game well. He also does not mess about with it when it needs to be got out of there.
Where he is weak is in the physical battle with strong players. With Gilchrist, Anel Souttar and Burrows we were miserly at the back with Vini covering back like a demon. On the attacking front he linked up well, crossed frequently, assisted and scored. Hence he made team of the season. Bogle was not good positionally. Shackleton, Clarke, the same when played there.

Last season he was poor, some of that is down to a loss in confidence. Speaking to McGuinness about last season himself Bindon and Tanganga felt they were hung out to dry at times due to the lack of cover. So far this season we look more organised at the back but there is a long way to go to be at levels of 2 seasons ago.

Where I do think we missed a trick with Burrows, that would have been very effective, is hitting diagonal balls early to release the winger on the otherside, forcing opposition defences to turn.
Or crossing in early to the penalty spot a bit like Beckham.

I hope we get enough for him if he goes. He is young enough and skillful enough to be effective, so we should make a profit. Though I would give him a roasting over his recent trend of diving in the box.
 
It does appear Burrows is on the way out, which is a shame because I had high hopes for him and it was exactly the type of signing I like to see us make. I think as a wing back he'd be excellent but he's just not defensively good enough in a four.

Seriki would also excel as a wing back so if Souttar had signed, I think we'd have seen us play with wingbacks more often.
 
Valley Blade said:
Burrows is currently a poor second to McCallum in the pecking order. As a defender he hasn't got one redeeming attribute. He doesn't stop crosses, he doesn't win headers, he doesn't close down and he's weak mentally and physically. He lacks concentration, he's slow and he's nesh. He constantly backtracks when someone runs at him, and for some inexplicable reason, manages to spin himself around ,without the opponent doing anything. He has some attacking qualities but is an extremely limited player.
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Absolute nonsense. He’s a LWB, great technical ability and he can cross a ball. 12 G/A his first season and 9 last season when we were absolutely garbage and he was in and out of the team. But apparently he had a poor season. There’s a reason West Ham and Wolves are after him. Where are we replacing the goals? Brooks and Hamer gone. Back to back 0-0s doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
 
Valley Blade said:
Burrows is currently a poor second to McCallum in the pecking order. As a defender he hasn't got one redeeming attribute. He doesn't stop crosses, he doesn't win headers, he doesn't close down and he's weak mentally and physically. He lacks concentration, he's slow and he's nesh. He constantly backtracks when someone runs at him, and for some inexplicable reason, manages to spin himself around ,without the opponent doing anything. He has some attacking qualities but is an extremely limited player.
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Not a fan then?
 
LiamBG said:
Absolute nonsense. He’s a LWB, great technical ability and he can cross a ball. 12 G/A his first season and 9 last season when we were absolutely garbage and he was in and out of the team. But apparently he had a poor season. There’s a reason West Ham and Wolves are after him. Where are we replacing the goals? Brooks and Hamer gone. Back to back 0-0s doesn’t take a rocket scientist.
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We won't concede as many with a left back who can defend, so we shouldn't need as many goals to win a match. Nearly every team targeted him last season. His weaknesses aren't as exposed in a dominant team but he is an abysmal defender. He also is a left back in our team not a wing back.
 
I dont think you can really argue Burrows isnt a good left back at this level, he's been a successful signing for us, especially compared to our general track record.

Despite all his qualities though, I'd start Mccallum ahead of him all day long.

If he leaves it's with a thank you but we move on.
 
I’m a liker perhaps not a lover of Burrows but tbf to him in the first season he was brilliant last season he was poor but so was the team it’s not just down to him albeit he’s partly to blame maybe he plays well when other do around him and this season we won’t play well so… personally I’d take the money on the proviso we can spend it on the team as everything is getting swallowed up by the owners.
 
Bladeloyal said:
If we can get good money with McCallum and rnd we are well covered
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Thats the point loyal. Assuming we need to raise more money to either cover the lack of parachute payments or CW has been told to sell again before the can buy then LB is an obvious position to choose to raise money from. Not only do we have the two you mention (one of whom became first choice last season and the other who we thought QPR wd buy but they bought elsewhere) but we have the young lad who us highly rated too.

What will be a huge disappointment is if we get decent money for him and we still dont buy anyone.
 
Many factors to weigh up. The most obvious is his contract. He's in his last two years so it's time to renew or sell. He'll probably be expecting a hefty bump as this is his second post L1 deal. If other clubs are in for him whispering sweet nothings it's a no brainer that they'll be wanting a bump. United are trying to get the cost base down not raise it.

System:

United have largely been playing with a four. The fans screamed for it after relegation. I thought it was naive but here we are.

Burrows is far better as a LWB than full back. The reasons, in a nutshell, are his relative lack of height, pace and aggression. His strength is is his ability in interplays and delivering a final ball from a cut back or lay off, rather than on the run or as the result of a trick or dribble. He's also got a cultured left foot and a good delivery and composed shot. He has to get up with midfielders and forward to make his deliveries from a higher position on the field because he lacks the out and out pace and trickery a full back needs to get there alone. He rarely gets to the bye line unless it's from a one two deep in opposition territory. The deliveries are often from deeper and as a result of methodical build ups and/or sustained possession. A wing back is closer to the goal and in a better position to counter so it's easier.

Defensively burrows takes steps back and inside to protect himself more in defensive transitions in a four. In a five he has a partner behind him and to his right so he can make more of a gamble positionally. His relative lack of pace clearly impacts his game here (having Gus leaving two on ones didn't help 🤣).

From opposition goal kicks, free kicks, corners and other set plays he's also too deep. You can sense his fear on the diagonals and switches to his side and he drops too deep and narrow as a result. As a wing back he takes the positional gamble as getting beaten in the air isn't as consequential. This leaves him and us with more yardage to make up when the opponent's attacks break down, particularly on his side.

If he played wing he'd have to play it more like Gus than Donovan. If he gets pinned he's knackered so he'd have to come off the line and get on the half turn. Play one twos to get around the back. He's not going to dribble you or out sprint you. He's very one footed which wouldn't help.
 
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Ironic isn’t it?

He should have been in Blades folklore as the guy who fired the winner to take us up.

In the end because of a wank subjective decision to intervene by a ref who’d fucked us before (remember the Man City opener?) it for chalked off and now he’s nearer the exit.
 



He has pretty good attacking output, but I wish he'd try to exploit his wand of a left foot more.
His G/A for Peterborough were incredible for a left back but he's never shown that sort of capability on a consistent basis here.

I don't think playing with Hamer helped his game as he wanted to do it all himself (and he could).

He looks a better athlete than he is and defensively he is a bit suspect.

If we get decent money, I'd probably take it but it will make us less technical than we already are.
 
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