Bradford Frustrating

[raul]

I seriously doubt sensible Blades , most of whom predicted a defeat, fall into the trap you mention. We know how shit we are, our issue is how we get out of the deep deep doo doo we are in. That's where the opprobrium lies.

 

[donny rover]

Nob off !

Good reply!

 

[SwissBlade]

You have every right to be bored with your team's performance but it does you no credit to slag off Bradford City's "crappy facilities" and "crappy plastic fans".

It's that kind of unjustified arrogance that sets other clubs' fans against you. Bradford City are a very proud club with an excellent fan base and you should show more respect.

You are a League One team, a League One club. Get used to it and stop slagging off clubs like Bradford City and their fans, who are probably about to leap-frog you into the Championship.

I look forward to Donny playing Bradford City in the Championship next season.

And a Donny fan would know plastic better than most

Unlucky with the rain today ha ha

 

[donny rover]

And a Donny fan would know plastic better than most

Unlucky with the rain today ha ha

Yeah how unlucky was that - and just when we're getting some momentum going.
What also pisses me off is that everything from the game is crossed off except the red card Keegan got!

Anyway, Barnsley keep getting stuffed so all is well with the world.

As for your situation - we're all in the same boat at the end of the day.
We are at the whim of the owners of our beloved clubs and at Donny we are lucky to have John Ryan.
But there are rumbles at Donny at the moment regarding a take-over bid so who knows what happens next.

We can only keep following our team and hoping for the best.

 

[raul]

ha ha ha Donny are shit and their chairmans a wanker ha ha ha what a bunch of tools with their four promotions in a decade whereas as us ....... Oh

Still lets compare crowds, massive we are.

Facts are bastards aren't they fucknuggets?

 

[donny rover]

ha ha ha Donny are shit and their chairmans a wanker ha ha ha what a bunch of tools with their four promotions in a decade whereas as us ....... Oh

Still lets compare crowds, massive we are.

Facts are bastards aren't they fucknuggets?

It's all relativeRaul.

We are embarrassed by the shit crowds we get and we'd love to have the attendances you get.
We've had a lot of years in the lower levels of the league, including our 5 years in the Conference, and in that time we lost a generation of fans.

I don't know how long it'll take to get them back.

 

[Northyorksblade]

You have every right to be bored with your team's performance but it does you no credit to slag off Bradford City's "crappy facilities" and "crappy plastic fans".

It's that kind of unjustified arrogance that sets other clubs' fans against you. Bradford City are a very proud club with an excellent fan base and you should show more respect.

You are a League One team, a League One club. Get used to it and stop slagging off clubs like Bradford City and their fans, who are probably about to leap-frog you into the Championship.

I look forward to Donny playing Bradford City in the Championship next season.

Unjustified arrogance??? Oh for fuck's sake, I'm not a pig!! Have you been in the away end at Bradford? Disgusting toilets, no lights, paper or paper towels. One tiny kiosk with a queue a mile long for a coffee at half time. And yes, plastic fans who clap along to that frigging drum. All that was missing were the plastic flapper-clapper thingies. Do you think I don't know we're a league one side, I've been here for the last three seasons. And anyway, of what interest is it to you, to sign up to a Blades message board when you're not even in the same league. AND but for the thickness of a piece of paper, you would be justified in being on here, as you'd be in the same league.
And yes, I'm pissed off, at just about everything today. Did you go to Charlton? Jolly bad luck

 

[donny rover]

Unjustified arrogance??? Oh for fuck's sake, I'm not a pig!! Have you been in the away end at Bradford? Disgusting toilets, no lights, paper or paper towels. One tiny kiosk with a queue a mile long for a coffee at half time. And yes, plastic fans who clap along to that frigging drum. All that was missing were the plastic flapper-clapper thingies. Do you think I don't know we're a league one side, I've been here for the last three seasons. And anyway, of what interest is it to you, to sign up to a Blades message board when you're not even in the same league. AND but for the thickness of a piece of paper, you would be justified in being on here, as you'd be in the same league.
And yes, I'm pissed off, at just about everything today. Did you go to Charlton? Jolly bad luck

Yes, I've been in the away end at Bradford many times. I've queued for an age to have a piss, and not been overly impressed when I got to the end of the queue.
But during those times we were still playing our home games at Belle Vue, and there weren't many grounds crapper than ours.

I registered on this site a couple of seasons ago, when we were in the same league. I've come on here tonight because our game was abandoned so I haven't much to discuss on the Donny site and I always take an interest in Yorkshire derby games, especially involving Bradford City as I've lived in Bradford for the past 30 years.

You're right about how close we were to staying in L1 and I count my blessings regularly.

Keep calm, and good luck this season.....

 

[Silent Blade]

I am trying Sheffield fc and the standard of play is very poor..it costs 7 quid a match at Dronfield though.....

I will be watching Dronfield Town play Hemsworth MW in the NCL on Monday afternoon at Stonelow and I am told it will cost only £3!

 

[diplomat]

Donnyrover seems quite reasoned to me, I am quite happy to see other fans on here, lets not go all Bladesmad on his ass.

I can never go to Bradford again as I last went when we won 0-5 and for spells it was like watching Ajax. One of my favourite away days. To top it all I didn't get smacked in a melee that I walked in to after the game, went for a beer and watched Wendy lose at home to Pompey on the telly box before going home for more beers and good times. A return to the scene could only sour that fond memory.

 

[DazBlade88]

I was utterly, utterly bored today. Bored with the game, bored with our fans constantly on the players backs after just a few minutes of play, bored with the woman behind me shouting 'Get stuck in' every few minutes, bored with the running commentary from the bloke close to me, who is obviously a much better manager than Weir, at least on FIFA whatever, bored with the crappy facilities ie one little hut serving drinks at half time, bored with their crappy plastic fans who haven't any songs of their own and clap along like performing seals. In fact I'm fucking bored with football altogether. Just off to hibernate for the next nine months

You were sat very close to me I think! I wasn't the one giving the commentary, or the woman shouting 'get stuck in'

For what it's worth, I didn't think we were that bad. Had Murphy scored the excellent chance in the first couple of minutes it would have made it very interesting. We had just as many chances as them, they just have that little bit of quality in Wells (Carlisle must be kicking themselves for letting him and Madden go). We're by no means a good side, but we're not as far away as people are making out.

McMahon and McGinty's deliveries were the biggest negative in our performance for me. We had so many good opportunities to get it in the box which ended up over-hit or in the stand.

 

[SwissBlade]

You were sat very close to me I think! I wasn't the one giving the commentary, or the woman shouting 'get stuck in'

For what it's worth, I didn't think we were that bad. Had Murphy scored the excellent chance in the first couple of minutes it would have made it very interesting. We had just as many chances as them, they just have that little bit of quality in Wells (Carlisle must be kicking themselves for letting him and Madden go). We're by no means a good side, but we're not as far away as people are making out.

McMahon and McGinty's deliveries were the biggest negative in our performance for me. We had so many good opportunities to get it in the box which ended up over-hit or in the stand.

You're right we weren't THAT bad, we created a number of excellent chances but we couldn't finish. Wells could, his first was a cracking finish and defensively (only seen it in real time) I don't think we defended the goal too badly. Stood the man up, didnt dive in and commit, but perhaps stood off him a little to allow him to rifle the shot in. I think it was Collins, he didnt give him much to aim for and he buried it.

As for the full backs, neither delivered well, but McMahons corners were often in the right areas, but our players had run past the ball rather than timing runs to attack. They seemed to expect/ want the ball played 3 yards in, but their keeper would've claimed or punched it from there. Again this seemed odd how we didn't react.

2nd half Taylor was ready to take a short corner, with nobody around he saw McMahon coming and was going to play it short. Yet mcMahon wanted to slow the game down. Everyone was already in the box as McMahon had run from right back to left corner so there was no reason not to take it short. This frustrates me as it was an ideal opportunity to try something different and catch them by surprise. We're too slow and not creative enough in this respect (we have been for years). I'm sure the young lads would relish the chance to get on with it. The older players seem content to use this time for a breather

 

[Northyorksblade]

I have been to games which I have found very entertaining while other fans have said it was awful. I can usually find positives. Perhaps I am just getting old.

 

[DazBlade88]

You're right we weren't THAT bad, we created a number of excellent chances but we couldn't finish. Wells could, his first was a cracking finish and defensively (only seen it in real time) I don't think we defended the goal too badly. Stood the man up, didnt dive in and commit, but perhaps stood off him a little to allow him to rifle the shot in. I think it was Collins, he didnt give him much to aim for and he buried it.

As for the full backs, neither delivered well, but McMahons corners were often in the right areas, but our players had run past the ball rather than timing runs to attack. They seemed to expect/ want the ball played 3 yards in, but their keeper would've claimed or punched it from there. Again this seemed odd how we didn't react.

2nd half Taylor was ready to take a short corner, with nobody around he saw McMahon coming and was going to play it short. Yet mcMahon wanted to slow the game down. Everyone was already in the box as McMahon had run from right back to left corner so there was no reason not to take it short. This frustrates me as it was an ideal opportunity to try something different and catch them by surprise. We're too slow and not creative enough in this respect (we have been for years). I'm sure the young lads would relish the chance to get on with it. The older players seem content to use this time for a breather

I said the same regarding the goal at the game because it was bang in front of where I was stood. Collins closed him down, and as I shouted 'Stand him up, don't dive in', Collins did exactly that and somehow Wells managed to find half a yard to fire it in. Sometimes you just have to accept that you've conceded a good goal rather than pick at the mistakes.

I actually agree on the corners - I was talking more in terms of open play. The amount of corners that went to the back post with NOBODY making that run was infuriating.

And I thought the same as you at the time on that one too! Sometimes a quick corner like that to catch them off guard is where goals come from. Waiting every time just gives the opposition chance to get fully setup.

 

[cooperblade]

This was far from a great away performance but I thought it was a lot better than the last away match I went to (Yeovil) - maybe that's the progress that Weir referred to?

In the first half, I thought we allowed Bradford to dominate and looked like we were hanging on at times defensively but we more than matched them in terms of chances. Murphy's was the best of the lot but he put it far too close to the 'keeper allowing him to make a fairly routine save.

The goal was a killer, especially coming when it did. I'd have been happy with 0-0 at half-time and a chance to regroup a bit.

In the second half, we had all the play until they scored but didn't do nearly enough with it.

I thought it was noticeable that we were more willing to hit a long ball then we had been in previous matches. We weren't direct by any stretch and still arguably over-played at times but there were definitely more longer passes.

Main problems for me:

Coady - he's painfully slow in possession. He seems to take an age to decide what he wants to do so that when he does play the ball, the opposition are ready to react. A couple of times we lost possession in good areas because he delayed an obvious ball.
I wasn't at Brentford so missed the performance that led to McGinn being dropped. He's got to come back in for me though to try and get our tempo closer to what it was v Notts County and to get us moving the ball about quicker. We're so easy to defend against when we play slowly.
On a side note to this, I thought Doyle played well again yesterday.

The full backs and how we use them - Thought their defensive work was OK yesterday in general but we had 2 main problems with them. First, we left them quite exposed as a result of our formation and Bradford got 2 against 1 (versus McMahon in particular) a lot in the first half.
The other thing, again, was that we're not getting them into the right positions in an attacking sense. McMahon is definitely getting forward a lot more than last season but he's still not going far enough (probably a mixture of how he plays and him worrying about cover). His crosses are all diagonal balls from 30 yards away from the byeline and, as such, are very easy to defend against - even more so given that we usually have 1 player in the box waiting for them.
We've got to start crossing from better positions more often and the full backs will need quicker passing and support from the midfield to do that. We need to create more 2 v 1s against the opposition full backs.
Not sure I agree with McGinty that getting forward suits his game. He looks like an out and out defender to me. I'm disappointed Hill hasn't been given a chance yet.
At least we let McGinty go forward for corners in this game, I thought it was madness that we didn't push him forward v Colchester.

The attacking 3 in midfield - Only Brandy is firing of the 3 at the moment. He linked up well a couple of times with Taylor in the first half before going off injured. I think they're all a bit similar to work well as a 3, all pretty lightweight and all wingers/inside forwards with no naturally central, attacking midfield amongst them - no real number 10.
Murphy's struggling and McFadzean has yet to kick on and hasn't replicated his performances playing wide in a 4.
We improved for having Flynn on, he gave us more width and stretched Bradford more but, again, he's the same type of player as the others.
We're overly reliant on Brandy (who missed games through injury and suspension last season and looks unlikely to play every week this) and we're making do in the crucial position behind the striker.

Strikers - I think Taylor's shown the odd flash that there might be something there but he's struggling badly in the lone front man role. He isn't strong enough in the air and lacks the knowhow to look after the ball when his team mates aren't supporting him very closely. Porter did much, much better in that position but has paid for missing a few chances and now, incredibly in my opinion, seems to have fallen behind Ironside in the pecking order.
If we're going to carry on playing 4-2-3-1 then I think we either have to start with Porter, he can do most of the things required far better than any other striker in the squad, or bring in a player who is more of an all rounder but a striker who can play on his own, lead the line AND score goals isn't going to e easy to find or cheap. I think Weir had hoped Taylor was that man.


Lots to do before we get it right and a long way to go...


Quick word on Bradford. Christ their fans were up for it, can only imagine what it was like v Arsenal and Villa. Can't remember the home fans singing 10 minutes before kick off at a league game before. It was like a compilation of 'modern' football chants on youtube - dale cavese, just can't get enough etc etc. No proper Bradford songs but they were loud, incessant and really got behind their team (albeit in the most unoriginal fashion possible). Fair play to them.

Their team looks big, strong, committed but, Wells apart, lacking in terms of technical ability. Davies looked a really good L1 centre back and much more in control of his game than the panic stricken individual we saw when he played for us. Hanson is a massive handful and a great partner for Wells.

If they do lose Wells though, they're going to struggle massively.

From a betting point of view, might be worth watching out for cards in their games. Yesterday's ref was very lenient (and utterly incompetent) but they're not shy of putting a foot in. They bullied us really (almost all within the laws of the game I should say), bigger, stronger and wanted it more. Sides with more ability than us will be able to play round them but a lot will struggle at Valley Parade.

 

[blade too long]

If you read into Weirs post match , we are playing to what he wants , but , as he put it lack that bit of quaity , an unveiled proclamation he wants some more players, and soon. Goal chances were like dodo sightings, a point vindicated by their keeper reading the Independant in an armchair in the back of their goal

 

[Maidenhead]

I have been to games which I have found very entertaining while other fans have said it was awful. I can usually find positives. Perhaps I am just getting old.

You and me both.

Yesterday was the most negative I've felt after a game for a long time.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

We could have fabio capello managing the team & it wouldnt matter.

A our squad is shit. The players can turn in a slack performance knowing that they wont be replaced as the replacements are even worse!

B We have a chairman that isnt bothered anymore. If you turned into work knowing your boss couldnt give a monkeys. Would you be bothered about your own performance?

Well then you sign players that can do the job

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

Weir isn't the problem, but hey lets blame the manager after less than 10 games

Or we just blame the players?

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

After less than 10 games

 

[Reedy1889]

Well then you sign players that can do the job

but with what? right now i'd be surprised if we signed a player for a fee of over or around £150k so in order to generate some funds we'd have to sell one of our 'better' players being Long or McGuire which would weaker us even further and then i highly doubt whatever we get in terms of fee's only a small portion would be invested in signings... or we would have to cross our fingers, toes, arms and legs and hope there's some teams out there daft enough to sign the players at our club picking up a big wage for doing nothing really enabling us to free up some wage and structure a way to sign a player or two.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

but with what? right now i'd be surprised if we signed a player for a fee of over or around £150k so in order to generate some funds we'd have to sell one of our 'better' players being Long or McGuire which would weaker us even further and then i highly doubt whatever we get in terms of fee's only a small portion would be invested in signings... or we would have to cross our fingers, toes, arms and legs and hope there's some teams out there daft enough to sign the players at our club picking up a big wage for doing nothing really enabling us to free up some wage and structure a way to sign a player or two.

Firstly it's Maguire not McGuire and Secondly the 500k that we got from McDonald. Thirdly Loans like Coady. And instead of buying lyle taylor from a Scottish Championship team (which is League Two level at max) we could have got a proven goal scorer in League One even if it's a loan or someone from the bottom of league One or top of league two.

 

[Reedy1889]

Firstly it's Maguire not McGuire and Secondly the 500k that we got from McDonald. Thirdly Loans like Coady. And instead of buying lyle taylor from a Scottish Championship team (which is League Two level at max) we could have got a proven goal scorer in League One even if it's a loan or someone from the bottom of league One or top of league two.

£500k lol we'd be lucky, even if it was such a fee you really think we'd invest all of that into our transfer budget? we have peanuts to spend and in all likeliness its going to take a miracle to find a gem of a player(s) capable of transforming our side on the budget we have.

 

[bartman]

First time I've seen Murphy today and I can't see on today's performance why he's getting so much stick.

Because it is his turn ;-)

 

[bartman]

T
We improved for having Flynn on, he gave us more width and stretched Bradford more but, again, he's the same type of player as the others.
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I thought Flynn was our best performer yesterday in that 2nd half along with Ironside(despite that miss ) and Coady.

 

[true99blade]

And instead of buying lyle taylor from a Scottish Championship team (which is League Two level at max) we could have got a proven goal scorer in League One even if it's a loan or someone from the bottom of league One or top of league two.

I'd be over the moon if we signed someone from League 2 who banged in almost 30 goals. Sadly the division we got Taylor from is probably twice as bad as League 2.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

£500k lol we'd be lucky, even if it was such a fee you really think we'd invest all of that into our transfer budget? we have peanuts to spend and in all likeliness its going to take a miracle to find a gem of a player(s) capable of transforming our side on the budget we have.

More than half of 500k would be enough.

 

[SwissBlade]

Or we just blame the players?

I thought you were blaming the manager?

 

[super_pig]

flynn was our best player?? jesus.. now i'm worried

 

[Toronto Blade]

Firstly it's Maguire not McGuire and Secondly the 500k that we got from McDonald. Thirdly Loans like Coady. And instead of buying lyle taylor from a Scottish Championship team (which is League Two level at max) we could have got a proven goal scorer in League One even if it's a loan or someone from the bottom of league One or top of league two.

Taylor is a proven goal scorer in League One, in 29 appearances for Bournemouth he had 0 goals.