Bournemouth players complaining about the ref!

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Those comments about them getting relegated are incredible if true. I just can't see that an experienced Premier League referee would be saying those things, that'd be career suicide surely.

Referees also have mics to communicate with the other officials, right? In which case surely they would have heard any such comments themselves.

I have a feeling this will be a case of "no evidence to back up Gosling's comments", at which point Bournemouth will claim a cover-up and the "refs have it in for us" circus will roll on...
 
Probably no excuse for ref to make inappropriate comments.

However the comments at the end of the article by Bournemouth fans and those on Roy's View From... highlighted how Bournemouth don't help themselves with their feigning injury tactics.

They need to look at themselves before pointing their fingers at others.
 
It seems weird that any ref could be so unprofessional to make personal comments joking about a team.
It should be reported......will be interesting to hear what the refs association have to say, however I find it hard to believe.

The other point is that it shows a weak mentality when players are complaining.....it’s as though he’s trying to offer excuses about their loss.
There were a few 50/50 tackles on Saturday where opposition players clattered into each other.....it was really noticeable that the Sheff Utd players
classed physical contact as normal and just got on with it.....whilst the AFCB players went down for the slightest of challenges.
This demonstrates the difference in mentality between the 2 sets of players.

They are talking about it now on the Alan Brazil show on Talksport.
Brazil is saying in his day there was often banter between players and the ref and he didn't mind wind ups, he says he preferred it.
Simon Jordan is saying this is a serious allegation and needs investigating. Says football has changed and it’s potentially dangerous territory to have banter.
Both agreed they are disappointed to see the report because the gap/ relationship between players and officials might grow bigger if banter is banned.
 
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Those comments about them getting relegated are incredible if true. I just can't see that an experienced Premier League referee would be saying those things, that'd be career suicide surely.

Referees also have mics to communicate with the other officials, right? In which case surely they would have heard any such comments themselves.

I have a feeling this will be a case of "no evidence to back up Gosling's comments", at which point Bournemouth will claim a cover-up and the "refs have it in for us" circus will roll on...
Sounds like Gosling is trying to do the typical footballer thing that Warnock talked about in his documentary years ago “footballers will blame anyone but themselves”

I don’t quite get what Gosling is on about with the other comments, but Bournemouth are in the relegation zone and they should be battling for every point possible, not rolling around on the floor

I don’t know why Eddie Howe allows his players to talk like this. Wilder wouldn’t allow his players to make such comments to the press
 
The players will have been giving the ref shit aswell. Or are we to believe he just jogged over to him to wind him up about their season?

If players are hurling abuse at the ref I'm not bothered if he bites back. However they should be controlling this part of the game by booking them.
 
He gave them more freekicks, we got naff all until the last 20 minutes really.

The Henderson one said it all for me. Wilson would have gone straight past him but stuck his arms out so he made contact, then Henderson just pulls a pained face and carries on, Wilson lays in the box as though he's drawing his last breath.

Said to my Dad at the time, either try and win, or go down with some grace. Rolling around and trying to con the ref is anti football shite and should be punished, thankfully we punished them.

Jonathan Moss should try and get fitter though, he's not exactly in peak physical condition.
 
This article from 2012 suggests that, in the future, referees' conversations were to be recorded. If that is still the case there should be plenty of evidence to show what was actually said by Jon Moss.

Ref chief Riley backs move to record match officials' conversations
By DAVID KENT FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 09:17, 24 November 2012 | UPDATED: 13:06, 24 November 2012


Heated conservations between referees and Premier League players during matches will be recorded and stored within the next month.

Although the recordings will not be made public, the Premier League and FA will use them to protect referees in disciplinary cases in future.

Referees chief Mike Riley is looking to introduce the new equipment in the coming weeks after Mark Clattenburg was cleared of racist abuse towards Chelsea player Jon Obi Mikel.


It's good to talk: From December referees conversations with their assistants will be recorded

It's good to talk: From December referees conversations with their assistants will be recorded
That original report was made to the FA by Chelsea player Ramires after the game between Chelsea and Manchester United which was not recorded on equipment used by referees now.

Premier League chiefs are now ordering new equipment so referees performances will be available and stored digitally after games.

The same system is used by rugby referees and their match performances are available for public broadcast during games. But Premier League games will be kept private.

Riley said: 'To reduce the risk of an episode of this nature being repeated PGMOL will introduce recording of the referees' communication system on a private basis.'

Backing the scheme: Referee chief Mike Riley supports the idea of recording conversations

Backing the scheme: Referee chief Mike Riley supports the idea of recording conversations
Former Premier League referee Graham Poll has welcomed the move although he doubts it will bring an immediate improvement in players’ behaviour towards referees

He is hopeful however that referees will be able to use the facility to improve player management during matches as part of their training.

Poll said: 'What it highlights is that games should have been recorded anyway and the fact it is going to happen now is very sad because it proves that the relationship between referees and players is not as good as it should be and there is a problem of trust between the two parties.

'I hope the PGMO don’t miss out on a trick here. There are incidents where a player goes racing up to the referee to protest and is clearly unhappy, and he is quickly calmed down by the referee. In those incidents the recording could be used and played back as part of referees’ training to demonstrate how it is possible to placate a player who is upset.

'Man management is almost the most important part of the referee’s performance and it could be a great tool to help them.’

Although the system works in rugby, the Premier League believe using recordings of conversations, or shouting matches between players and officials would be counter-productive.


Concerns: Former referee Graham Poll says there is a lack of trust between players and officials

Concerns: Former referee Graham Poll says there is a lack of trust between players and officials
Poll however believes the threat of the recording being heard by Riley or the FA will make players think twice about dissent, and making accusations against referees and other officials.

He said: `When the system was first introduced we met rugby referees who said they used the microphones as a tool to calm players down because, they would point at their earpiece and remind them it is being recorded. So that could work.

'It could also result in more dismissals because players know what they say will be heard back now.

'If there is an incident involving a player shouting and swearing at a referee which is unedifying and offensive and the player has not been sent off, Mike Riley might decide to look and listen to that incident again and ask the referee concerned for his thoughts afterwards.

'So in future matches that same referee may decide to take action and dismiss a player because he knows their conversation will be heard back. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.’

The Premier league said today that cautions for dissent are down by half over the last three seasons and that bookings this season are down 20 per cent compared to last season.
 



Every sympathy for the referee in this case.
It's a hard job, you're going to upset someone every game, however, if players spend the entire 90 minutes trying to con you then it's immeasurably harder than it should be. He probably felt he'd been conned (I know I did) and acted accordingly.
 
I'm beginning to think that Eddie Howe is not the brilliant tactician I thought he was


It’s clearly unfair to judge on 2 games against us as we’re brilliant. But snidey tactics can either be ignored (encouraged) by the manager or the manager stops them in their tracks.

The fact that the Bournemouth preference for falling and rolling about have been picked up by other fans means that they will also be labelled by refs and officials.

All of the above should be stamped out by the manager and captain of the club
 
Eddie Howe great tactician?

The only thing I saw on Sunday that was different was putting a player on Henderson when he was about to take a long punt upfield.

Howe recognised that maybe Henderson's distribution wasn't his strongest point but it was hardly brilliant innovative tactics.
 
Every sympathy for the referee in this case.
It's a hard job, you're going to upset someone every game, however, if players spend the entire 90 minutes trying to con you then it's immeasurably harder than it should be. He probably felt he'd been conned (I know I did) and acted accordingly.
Players really are as thick as shit when it comes to this. If you keep going down when you’re not being fouled, then sooner or later you’ll get fouled and it will be ignored because everyone thinks you’re just going down easily again. What’s difficult to understand here?
 
Eddie Howe great tactician?

The only thing I saw on Sunday that was different was putting a player on Henderson when he was about to take a long punt upfield.

Howe recognised that maybe Henderson's distribution wasn't his strongest point but it was hardly brilliant innovative tactics.

That was annoying me, I think it should have been a foul:

The Laws state that it is an offence to 'prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands'.

The intent behind this law is for the keeper to be able to get the ball into play by releasing it some distance into the field. A player blocking that kick is preventing the keeper from releasing the ball. The ball may have left his hands, but it hasn't left his immediate vicinity - which is what the law is intending.

On the Beigemouth (cheers Roygbiv) players moaning about the ref, I very much doubt he was goading them during the game. I'm pretty sure he'd have said something at the time if he was, not a few days later to a local rag.
 
The self-pity in that article should be an alarm bell for Bournemouth’s management and supporters.

It may be an ill-conceived attempt to create a siege mentality around their relegation battle, but, to me, particularly having seen the antics of Bournemouth’s precious players, it confirms that they’re in serious bother. I don’t see that squad of players surviving; they’re weak - physically and, in particular, mentally.
 
Probably no excuse for ref to make inappropriate comments.

However the comments at the end of the article by Bournemouth fans and those on Roy's View From... highlighted how Bournemouth don't help themselves with their feigning injury tactics.

They need to look at themselves before pointing their fingers at others.
Yes, I thought those comments from their own fans re the diving and screaming were quite refreshing.


Seems to be a split on their board about this. Some sticking up for Gosling saying it's a conspiracy to get Bournemouth relegated, some saying he's using excuses

 



However the comments at the end of the article by Bournemouth fans and those on Roy's View From... highlighted how Bournemouth don't help themselves with their feigning injury tactics.

They need to look at themselves before pointing their fingers at others.

They're just trying to deflect attention away from their pathetic antics.
 

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