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I'd agree if Baldock hadn't had such a rancid attacking performance against City. For Bogle to still not get on the bench against Chelsea seemed like a huge indicator that he's nowhere near.
That’s the way I took it. I thought Bogle should’ve been on the bench for Chelsea. But it did look a lot like one which was playing it safe, as you say.
Our results have been so poor of late I understand the thinking but there’s a big difference between being a right back good at getting forward and playing at right centre mid in our system. Aside from the fact that he’s a young player who’s not even played in the Premier League before, so it’d probably be better playing him in his own position, it’s a position that calls for a hell of a lot off the ball (the one thing Lundstram has over Berge, IMO) in addition to ideally being strong defensively, good in terms of progressing the ball in packed spaces in the centre of the pitch and positional awareness in the final third (another thing Lundstram does well in fairness). I don’t think it’s a position a young right back can be dropped into. I will admit I’ve not seen enough of Bogle to properly assess all his attributes in that position, but I think given it’s so demanding we’re better off keeping Berge there. It’s actually Berge’s best position in this system now.
I stand by my point. The right side is settled but Stevens has lost both JOC and Fleck from the left side. If you then look at the stats provided by the EPL he has been the most active defender in the team Baldock (and I'm not having a go at him) is way behind in the stats and it would stand to reason that this is because the right side of the team has been settled whereas the left has been significantly weakened and so Stevens has had to do more work.
Wilder has never picked out and out full backs as subs, so don't think its an indication or anything. When freeman was playing full back, baldock was never on bench and vice versa.
Could it be that we're being attacked more down our left side? Baldock is one of the best defensively around.
Fair. But Bogle was specifically signed (as far as I can tell) to provide an attacking option. I'm surprised he's not had a look in at all
Not much to argue about there. Worth pointing out that any praise given to Lundstram is a bit pointless as he’s had his chance to show his worth to the club, and still not signed.
Not sure I agree with that. As fans, it's worth knowing and recognising what a player brings to the team even if they're leaving because it helps understand how they can be replaced. We don't see any work on the training ground, so we only have matches to go on. For all Lundstram's flaws, his defensive work-rate and ability to get into goalscoring opportunities was a nice counter-balance to Fleck's very good ability on the ball last year. Combined with Norwood, it was a midfield three which really worked and complemented each other. We're still looking for that this year.
I’d agree. That feels like a completely different Stevens at this current time.
I’d agree he looks a different player but it’s not a physical decline from what I can see in terms of his ability to get around the pitch make runs and tackles. So it’s either he’s completely a confidence player and goes how the team goes but even then this is big drop off. So I think we’ve got to conclude he was part of a very good trio down the left with fleck and O’Connell who amplified the good and covered for the bad so to expect him to look the same player on his lonesome is unrealistic if frustrating.
I thought he was bought to improve the first team and not a squad filler?
Stevens came back from lockdown a different player. I don't know what's changed - maybe he's more affected by the lack of crowds - but that seemed to be the moment it started going downhill.
This is also a consistent approach Wilder’s taken throughout his time with us that he rarely veers from, much like the balance he almost always sticks to for our right and left sides. It was the same last season when folk were confused about why Osborn was generally preferred for the bench over Luke Freeman.
Add to that the fact that people still clamour for Ampadu (or even Jagielka!) to play at LCB despite the fact that since WIlder has been here he has consistently played a left footer on the left, even in a two: O'Connell for the first 4 games of the 16/17 season then Wright for the win over Oxford.
To be fair, Wilder went against his recent track record by playing a right-footed player at LCM. And our left hand side has been so dire, I don't think suggesting Ampadu for that role is that maddest idea. As for suggesting Jags for that role though...
Lundstram is as close to two-footed as I've ever seen; using the admittedly flawed FIFA (right footed, 5/5 weaker foot) and Transfermarkt (left footed) supports that. I've not seen Ampadu play, it might be that he's as equally two-footed (FIFA has him as right, 3/5 weaker foot; Transfermarkt as right footed) but given the issues down the left this season if Wilder was going to play Ampadu at LCB he'd have already done it.
I think I agree with one of the earlier posts that the regulars will probably get a crack at the next two, players like Baldock will want a shot at West Ham and especially West Brom, after playing so many of the "big teams" lately. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bogle on the bench for one or both of them, although I also wouldn't be surprised not to see it!
And clubs wonder why fans get so angry over, if theirs a problem with him...tell us? if hes not fit.... tell us? if hes not up to standard yet....tell us?
Got injured in July and didnt get much pre-season at Derby so it looks like fitness issues
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