Blame Game

[ucandomagic]

Lots of discussion in various threads about the Sunderland goal - blaming Berge for not being closer to Michut, or blaming Lowe and Robinson for not being in front of Michut.

Watching live, I thought Berge should have been closer, but I have just looked at a replay and it is all down to Egan. We have a decent defensive line playing 2 of them offside, and Egan is wandering around like a schoolboy. This is not what an international centre half should be doing.

 

[derfblade.3]

And whats Lowe's job as wing back?

 

[Bladesman]

Lots of discussion in various threads about the Sunderland goal - blaming Berge for not being closer to Michut, or blaming Lowe and Robinson for not being in front of Michut.

Watching live, I thought Berge should have been closer, but I have just looked at a replay and it is all down to Egan. We have a decent defensive line playing 2 of them offside, and Egan is wandering around like a schoolboy. This is not what an international centre half should be doing.

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Egan was playing them all onside when everyone else had stepped up.

 

[brownblade]

To be honest I'm not sure any of the defenders are in the right position. Was a really poor goal to concede, but that aside we were good last night.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Egan's position is weird, both him and Sander came out of the left hand corner of the pitch and neglected to do anything with the goalscorer, Egan's deep position is bizarre as you say. Lowe is also looking along the line and could quite easily tuck in, albeit it comes at the expense of leaving Roberts (arguably their most dangerous player) alone.

 

[Cutbush City Limits]

If you watch, I think Robinson thinks Egan is out of position and moves accross to cover Egans man. As he does so Egan also moves across which leaves Robinsons man/zone free. No one else saw the danger......

 

[Stu_Blade]

Agreed players out of position and a poor goal to concede however credit where credit is due it was a good finish.

 

[ThirdGenBlade]

Lots of discussion in various threads about the Sunderland goal - blaming Berge for not being closer to Michut, or blaming Lowe and Robinson for not being in front of Michut.

Watching live, I thought Berge should have been closer, but I have just looked at a replay and it is all down to Egan. We have a decent defensive line playing 2 of them offside, and Egan is wandering around like a schoolboy. This is not what an international centre half should be doing.

I agree totally, completely unprofessional - his job is to be in line - if he takes 2 steps forward instead of following his man there are 2 players offside - zero threat - we get a free kick and move on.

Not very bright from Big John!

 

[Panini]

We have a decent defensive line playing 2 of them offside, and Egan is wandering around like a schoolboy. This is not what an international centre half should be doing.

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I'm not sure I see this as us trying to play them offside.

Baldock and Lowe would naturally be a bit higher anyway, their starting position as wing-backs will have them about 5 yards up when defending (unless the ball is actually in either of their 'zones').

In this picture, Egan is pretty much in position imho. Anel has gone out to meet the ball because the man in possession is clear of our midfield and, well, someone has to go to the ball at that stage.

Robinson looks the most out of position on this picture but watching the movement that led to it says to me Egan was just as responsible. Both following the same man, neither talking to each other.

Even then, Robinson is covering Egan more than he's covering himself. Like that famous Warnock clip with Morgan, let him go, cover your own zone and if the free man goes through someone else's zone and scores, at least it's not your fault.

Yeah it would have been amazing if Berge had realised what was unfolding and sprinted back 10m in 2 seconds to cover Robinson but I'm not giving Berge any blame here.

 

[MobileBlade]

Its only because Berge is somewhere in the picture that it is being discussed at all. It was an attempt to continue the viterole against him by some people. Sad really when everyone is supposed to support the same club.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Its only because Berge is somewhere in the picture that it is being discussed at all. It was an attempt to continue the viterole against him by some people. Sad really when everyone is supposed to support the same club.

Not really, the issue I had was that he played a bit of an aimless long ball and then jogged past the attacker to get back into position.

I'm ambivalent when it comes to Berge but I was chuntering at the time for 2 reasons, 1) the long punt to no one in particular 2) the amble back into midfield past the eventual scorer.

Having watched it back a few times Egan was also at fault as he ran back into the middle, where JLT had already gone.

 

[Trafford]

Berge was ball watching and/or shirking his defensive responsibilities; Egan had been pulled badly out of position just beforehand and created a 2 on 1 situation when he returned to the centre, with Robinson having covered him in the meantime. The worrying thing is that a lot of the goals that we have conceded recently have been down to similar scenarios involving one of these players, particularly Egan.

 

[Frank the tank]

Its only because Berge is somewhere in the picture that it is being discussed at all. It was an attempt to continue the viterole against him by some people. Sad really when everyone is supposed to support the same club.

It really is quite sad to see

 

[steve26272]

there are 2 players offside - zero threat - we get a free kick and move on.

Not necessarily

 

[mattbianco1]

In true S24SU fashion. I blame Berge for just being born

 

[Nonamedhorse]

I’m getting a new phone, this one’s fucked. Can’t play video, again.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I’m getting a new phone, this one’s fucked. Can’t play video, again.

I bet Berge stood on it and bust it

 

[Chingo]

If you roll back 3 seconds from that pic Robbo is almost next to the scorer and then he follows Geldhart who Egan had covered , there is a mistake for almost every goal though and if they didn’t make mistakes they wouldn’t be playing for us the would be playing champions league

 

[pommpey]

Its only because Berge is somewhere in the picture that it is being discussed at all. It was an attempt to continue the viterole against him by some people. Sad really when everyone is supposed to support the same club.

Don't think it's quite that.

Berge is the closest and as Ba lines up to pass it should have been evident where it was going. It's all about having the vision of a rabbit. Berge has the vision of a mole

pommpey

 

[ChinaBlade]

Might be against the general consensus here, but for me, Egan has been way off it for at least a year. So many of the opposition's goals come from players in acres of space in the box, space which you'd expect your main centre half to be occupying. For a recent example, see Millwall's 3rd the other week.

I'd go as far back to say that he's been on a decline ever since JOC has been out and perhaps the consistent changing left side is the main factor for this.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

If you think Berge isn't to blame, then you have little/no ball knowledge. Youse don't know ball.

 

[wavy-blade]

Eags to busy chewing his gum

Great player for us allowed to make a howler every now and again I suppose !

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If you think Berge isn't to blame, then you have little/no ball knowledge. Youse don't know ball.

Sorry but I’m struggling with the triple double negatives in this sentence and my small brain shut down.

 

[Frank the tank]

Don't think it's quite that.

Berge is the closest and as Ba lines up to pass it should have been evident where it was going. It's all about having the vision of a rabbit. Berge has the vision of a mole

pommpey

Bullshit

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I still think Wes should have seen him unmarked and yelled at Egan

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Sorry but I’m struggling with the triple double negatives in this sentence and my small brain shut down.

Apologies, I've made my comment more complicated than it needed to be. Being a reductionist by nature, I see the argument simply being between posters that understand the game of football and those that go to bed in Sander Berge pyjamas & sleep under a Sander Berge bedspread.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

And whats Lowe's job as wing back?

To mark the winger, which he is doing.

 

[Snowflake]

Apologies, I've made my comment more complicated than it needed to be. Being a reductionist by nature, I see the argument simply being between posters that understand the game of football and those that go to bed in Sander Berge pyjamas & sleep under a Sander Berge bedspread.

I understand the game and think Berge is better than many on here give him credit for.
It is possible to make a case for blaming, Lowe, Egan, Robinson and Berge for that goal.If they all did their jobs properly it would not have happened.
When the ball was cleared(poorly) where was Doyle ?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Not worried me, we won

 

[tincan]

Might be against the general consensus here, but for me, Egan has been way off it for at least a year. So many of the opposition's goals come from players in acres of space in the box, space which you'd expect your main centre half to be occupying. For a recent example, see Millwall's 3rd the other week.

I'd go as far back to say that he's been on a decline ever since JOC has been out and perhaps the consistent changing left side is the main factor for this.

Don't think it's Egan alone. The Sunderland goal is similar to Millwall, Wrexham or Burnley where the opposition switch play quickly to wrong side a 3 5 2 defence. Our defence is the strongest attribute so it's no wonder teams target it.
The fact it repeats points to the coaching not countering the opposition tactics.