Black players under Blackwell query?

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This is by no means meant to be inflamatory or insinuate anything about the gaffers personality!!...

but having had a conversation with my mate, we started talking about legendary black (no PC bs...) players for the blades such as Deano and Agana...Ndlovu etc...

This led us to ponder...how many black players has Blackwell fielded (with some regularity...)

Williamson and Nosworthy come to mind first, but im struggling to think of others...(Im more than likely an idiot but hey...

can you help us out?
 

Bit of a strange thread actually. Not a critiscism before i get jumped on, more of an observation.

You can tell we're in pre-season!
 
Robbo's record with this subject is more interesting.
 
And then there was Kendal's record particularly the swift selling of Nathan Blake.
 
And then there was Kendal's record particularly the swift selling of Nathan Blake.

In Kendall's defence, whilst that looked like an idiot move at the time, and there were some rumblings about Kendall's attitude towards black players, the sale was designed to raise cash for other signings and the money was ploughed back into the team to good effect (yes, we did do this once upon a time).

trivia time: Kendall fielded only one other black player during his time as United boss. Name that player.
 
Paul Parker?

That's right. My main memory of his time with us was the shocking display he gave at Bradford on Boxing Day, when he gave a performance that was Jordan Stewartesque in its dreadfulness.
 
Robbo's record with this subject is more interesting.

Spot on, if Blacky has been fielding an abnormally low number of black players its because Nobson got rid of them all so he didnt have any to play
 
Ikeme would have played more had he not been injured.
 

According to Wikipedia, which contrary to popular belief isn't always wrong, the demographic ethnicity of the United Kingdom is as follows -
Ethnic group Population % of total*
White British 85.67%
White (other) 5.27%
Indian 1.8%
Pakistani 1.6%
White Irish 1.2%
Mixed race 1.2%
Black Caribbean 1.0%
Black African 0.8%
Bangladeshi 0.5%
Other Asian 0.4%
Chinese 0.4%
Other 0.4%
Black (others) 0.2%
* Percentage of total UK population

In Sheffield it's like this, according to the 2001 census -

White 91%
Asian 4.6%
Black 1.8%


So, with the inclusion of Stephen Quinn the Irish are represented. There have also been black players in at more than the 2% of the total in the above stats. However, given the number of Asian people in the U.K. and certainly in Sheffield, should we be more concerned that United have no Asian players? Are there any players from an Asian background coming through the ranks at the Academy? If not, why not? Also, as there are less Chinese than Asian people in Sheffield should we be bothering with the constant stream of Chinese dancers we have on the pitch? If we are doing this because the S2 area of Sheffield has a fairly substantial Chinese population then why aren't we doing similar things to try to attract more Asian fans and players?
 
However, given the number of Asian people in the U.K. and certainly in Sheffield, should we be more concerned that United have no Asian players? Are there any players from an Asian background coming through the ranks at the Academy? If not, why not?

Given the years of work Howard Holmes has done in Sharrow I'd be amazed if there weren't any asian lads somewhere in the academy system.

What we need is for the next Wayne Rooney to be an asian kid. That'd expedite the process ten fold.
 
klukluxkendal actually played nathan blake in his first game(away at ipswich,i was there 0-0),substituted around half time then sold him.
 
There has been a lot of Black humour about Blackwell, that much I know for sure.
 
Hm, would've said the Kyles (spurs) were both mixed race and was Webber,

Dyer has never been played with any regularity and has been loaned out at all possible times. Ugo is fair game i guess, as was Bartley (should be back for the entirety of this season i hear from sources!)

Like i said, i didn't want to insinuate that there were any racist goings on at the lane - merely speculating on the apparent lack of racial representation (of good players....i may hastily add!)

I'd also be very suprised as someone else has mentioned, if there wasn't any east asian lads in the academy considering our area. But then again, an academy will take talent from a wide region so sheffield latest racial stats wont really factor in i guess...
 
Given the years of work Howard Holmes has done in Sharrow I'd be amazed if there weren't any asian lads somewhere in the academy system.

What we need is for the next Wayne Rooney to be an asian kid. That'd expedite the process ten fold.

hoggy! Oi! Hoggy! Oi! Hoggy hoggy hoggy! Oi oi oi!

That guy deserves some local recogntion. Good man.
 
United have a lot to do with the Football Unites, Racism Divides lot which is how Walker and Naughton came to our attention.

I have read in the past that there are cultural reasons why more asian lads don't progress with football with more traditional families refusing to see football as a worthy career move. Might have been this article from The Times, it's a couple of years old now:

Why are there no Asian football stars?

Netan Sansara. Netan. Sansara. “Players look at me and hear the name and ask, ‘Are you Portuguese or Puerto Rican or something?’ Then I tell them. ‘Indian?’ they say, ‘shouldn’t you be playing barefooted?’” There can even be ignorance close to home. “Some of my family on my mum’s side say, ‘Are you working?’ and I say, ‘Yes, I’m a footballer’ and they just look at me. ‘Isn’t that just for weekends?’

“People come to my house and see my England shirt and say, ‘Why have you bought a shirt and stuck it on your wall?’ It’s a joke, almost. I find I’m always having to educate.”

Sansara is not shy about his ambition. “I want to be the one that takes football to the next level,” he says. “I know it’s going to be hard, but I believe that I’m good enough and coaches think I’ve got a chance. I don’t see it as a burden. In fact, it inspires me.”

With three A-levels and an England Under-18 cap among his accomplishments over the last 12 months, Sansara speaks about his situation with sharpness, intelligence and fearlessness.

He plays with those same qualities which is why, a tall left-back, adept in possession, the 18-year-old is already on the fringes of Walsall’s first team and may just have a chance of achieving his goals: to become the first British Asian footballer playing regularly in the Premier League and the first in the full England team.

Sansara is only the second “full Asian” (he distinguishes himself from Sunderland’s Michael Chopra, who has an English mother and Indian father) to play at youth level for England and hopes to go a few steps further than the first.

Zesh Rehman played up to under-20 level but, unable to go further, now plays for Pakistan and dropped out of the Premier League, eventually moving on to Queens Park Rangers having failed to win a regular place at Fulham.

The low number of Asian participants at elite level in almost every discipline is one of the scandals of English sport, and football’s almost total lack of professional Asian players the biggest scandal within the scandal. In 1996, the Wolves fan and academic Jas Bains authored a damning dossier on how the game was ignoring the Asian community, sarcastically entitled Asians Can’t Play Football. So little had changed when he came to update his research in 2006, his next report was called Another Wasted Decade. Less than 1% of the hundreds of kids at Premier League academies are British Asians and Sansara is one of just five with professional contracts at English league clubs.

“I think, eventually, there will be a lot of us playing but not during my career,” says Sansara. “What Asians need are role models and I would love to be one – though I’m level-headed and I don’t want to be built up to be something I’ll never be. I’m the first completely Asian lad to play for England Under18s, but I can’t dwell on that. Now I want to kick on.”

Sansara’s progress was recognised by a nomination for this year’s British Asian Sports Awards, to be held in London on Saturday. He did not make the final shortlist of Monty Panesar, Amir Khan and the badminton champion, Aamir Ghaffar, but two eight-year-old footballers, Hanif Hussain and Joseph Osman, both already attracting some interest from professional clubs, are shortlisted for the Young Sports Personality category.

Perhaps the next decade will not be wasted, but if Asian footballers are to prosper attitudes must change. Not everyone can be as strong-minded as Sansara. At 15, he was already in the first team of nonleague side Darlas-ton Town and was offered a contract by Birmingham but chose Walsall because of their better record in developing young players.

“At first I didn’t enjoy it because there was a lot of racism. I used to go home and tell my mum, ‘I don’t want to go back.’ It was horrible. I used to get called ‘Paki’ – even from my own team.

“A lot of people don’t realise that it goes on. Even now, I don’t think people at Walsall know what I went through. If you get called ‘Paki’ every day, of course it’s going to get to you. I just used to smile and say ‘I’m not Pakistani, I’m an Indian’ but it was hard to laugh it off. They said it was just banter and eventually I tried to accept that, because if you complain too much people can say, ‘He’s using it as an excuse.’ But ‘Paki?’ Banter? No chance.”

Racism is not the only barrier Asian players face. Sansara owes much, he says, to Mick Halsall, Walsall’s head of youth, and especially to his parents, Mohinder and Usha.

He is aware that many young Asians in the game don’t benefit from the same support and is already laying plans to address the problem by opening a football school. “Because there are no role models, a lot of Asians, especially of the older generation, see football as just a social thing and not something kids can make into a professional career.

“I’ve got one mate, a really good player, whose parents are more traditional than mine and, when we were growing up, never came to watch him in a single match. Mine went to every game. We’d give this other lad a lift, and took him to training and presentation nights. It definitely has a knock-on effect and eventually my friend gave up,” he says.

“I suppose my family aren’t conventional Asians. We live in quite a classy, ‘white’ area and my dad used to run a pub. I can’t live without curry. What Asian can’t? But my mum’s great with my diet and so’s my grandmother. You wouldn’t think a 60-year-old Asian woman would know about lasagne and pasta but she’s learnt to cook it just for me.” Abdul Basit, an award-win-ning coach and community cohesion officer for Bolton Wanderers, plays for Shajalal Unity in Oldham’s Sunday League. Shajalal’s players are drawn predominantly from the local Bangladeshi population and they have suffered some hideous prejudice – such as a game against a side from Failsworth last season where one spectator ran up and down the touchline waving a St George flag, shouting “England” and some black members of the side attracted monkey chants.

Basit believes that more education within the Asian community would be of huge benefit and make a big difference. “The Asian interest in football is absolutely huge but it’s about showing young players a pathway into the professional game,” he said.

“There’s a lack of knowledge about how you become footballer. Some kids think they might get scouted playing in the street, but if you’re not playing for a team in an organised league you won’t get spotted, end of. We need to get Asian kids of seven or eight into the academies and to create more Asian coaches to put into the communities, because it can be difficult for outsiders.”

Basit, who also runs an Asian women’s team called Bend it Like Beckham, has worked for the Football Association but he is not overly impressed by the efforts Soho Square are making to reach out to young Asians. “I went to Malawi with Viv Anderson and he told me all the stories about having bananas thrown at him in the early days, and we’re experiencing what black players faced in the 1970s.

“Look at black players now – but what we need are a couple of ‘breakthrough’ footballers, like Viv Anderson was.”

Sansara, just possibly, might be one. It’s a heavy responsibility, but one he wears lightly.

Breaking the mould

MICHAEL CHOPRA

The Sunderland striker, son of an English mother and Indian father, became the first player of Asian background to represent England when he debuted for the Under16s against Scotland in 1999

ZESH REHMAN

Birmingham-born defender Rehman made 21 Premier League appearances for Fulham before moving to QPR. After playing for England at youth level he now plays for Pakistan

ANWAR UDDIN

A former West Ham trainee, who has had spells with Sheffield Wednesday and Bristol Rovers, Uddin now captains Dagenham & Redbridge. In an area where the British National Party has had some of its greatest electoral success in recent years, Uddin is a crowd favourite and was fans’ player of the year in 2005

ADNAN AHMED

The Pakistan international had a spell at Manchester United’s academy before making his professional debut for Huddersfield

Interestingly, Netan Sansara has just been released by Walsall.

I would hope that it's now the case that if you're good enough, then you'll make it but I'm not naive enough to think there aren't some problems. You only have to look at the fact that there are still United fans being banned from the stadium for racism.
 

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