Big nasty bastard

[United Aren't Back.]

So we need a big nasty bastard with pace who can score 25 goals in Championship reading a few threads on here. Sounds cheap.

Rooney has meant that big Dunc Ferguson is looking for a new start.

 

[Hodgyman]

I mentioned him in an earlier thread but I think that Charley Wyke At Bradford (who they bought to replace Hanson) could do the job. He wouldn't cost the earth either He scored lots of goals for Carlisle before his move to Bradford that were reminiscent of Deano too.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Name a player we could bring in for a couple of million who would play well every week and score goals

Right.

What I'll now do is provide my personal list of say 10 players who in my opinion fit the profile.

You will then attempt to systematically dismantle said list with retorts of too costly, wages, too old, not good enough, not quick enough, not clinical enough etc etc.

It's pointless.

Championship teams are paying £10m + for players that are far from the finished article. They don't have ALL the necessary attributes, but perhaps have the majority of them. That's probably as good as it's gonna get. That's the pond we are fishing in. Diego Costa is available. Possibly Olivier Giroud. They won't be going to the Championship anytime soon !

On top of this, we are fishing in the smaller of the ponds available to Championship clubs. Bit like Graves Park. Big pond,bigger fish. Little pond, mostly sticklebacks !!

For what it's worth, and to give you at least one name, I would have gone for Tom Elliott. Far from the finished article but a vast upgrade on Hanson. And possibly Clarke too. 2 for the price of 1 !!
Elliott does NOT tick the prolific box. That I'll grant you. That's the compromise.

Foreign market maybe most realistic for us. I believe the mandate and profile of player required is big black and French !

Maybe start there !!!!!

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[TJB.]

What about the dude who got sent off for Fulham after 31 seconds yesterday? That's some Vinnie Jones level shithousery if ever I saw it.

He's got 3 games to mull over an offer

 

[Fanny magnet]

Right.

What I'll now do is provide my personal list of say 10 players who in my opinion fit the profile.

You will then attempt to systematically dismantle said list with retorts of too costly, wages, too old, not good enough, not quick enough, not clinical enough etc etc.

It's pointless.

Championship teams are paying £10m + for players that are far from the finished article. They don't have ALL the necessary attributes, but perhaps have the majority of them. That's probably as good as it's gonna get. That's the pond we are fishing in. Diego Costa is available. Possibly Olivier Giroud. They won't be going to the Championship anytime soon !

On top of this, we are fishing in the smaller of the ponds available to Championship clubs. Bit like Graves Park. Big pond,bigger fish. Little pond, mostly sticklebacks !!

For what it's worth, and to give you at least one name, I would have gone for Tom Elliott. Far from the finished article but a vast upgrade on Hanson. And possibly Clarke too. 2 for the price of 1 !!
Elliott does NOT tick the prolific box. That I'll grant you. That's the compromise.

Foreign market maybe most realistic for us. I believe the mandate and profile of player required is big black and French !

Maybe start there !!!!!

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Is the big black and French thing a joke between a few of you ex bladesmadders ?

Because if it is it's not funny and a bit moronic

Going back to my point about your simplistic and impractical approach to making us better than teams that are worth over a 100 million pounds in the transfer market

Do you now see it's not as simple as just jettisoning a couple of players you don't like and gambling on another who may or not be a success

Maybe we have to work with what we have on the basis that some players can do better and others won't make the grade

Bit early to say after one defeat and one victory don't you think ?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Is the big black and French thing a joke between a few of you ex bladesmadders ?

Because if it is it's not funny and a bit moronic

Going back to my point about your simplistic and impractical approach to making us better than teams that are worth over a 100 million pounds in the transfer market

Do you now see it's not as simple as just jettisoning a couple of players you don't like and gambling on another who may or not be a success

Maybe we have to work with what we have on the basis that some players can do better and others won't make the grade

Bit early to say after one defeat and one victory don't you think ?

1. Dunno. It might be. Just me jumping on the bandwagon !
2. Moronic is as moronic does. Highly constructive btw
3. You really didn't get it, did ya ?

My opinion is that 1, 2 or possibly 3 of our striking options IS NOT going to be good enough. Rather than bring in another one, my practical suggestion would be to make a decision on 1 or 2 of them, to make room ( transfer fee / wages) for an upgrade.

Not that difficult was it ??

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[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Hang on. We are 2 games into the season. It usually takes promoted teams a while to adjust to the new level. Give the players a chance before dismissing various ones as inadequate.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Hang on. We are 2 games into the season. It usually takes promoted teams a while to adjust to the new level. Give the players a chance before dismissing various ones as inadequate.

Any critique given is considered, comes from a balanced overall perspective, and is based on much much more than just 2 games.

IMHO.

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[Fanny magnet]

1. Dunno. It might be. Just me jumping on the bandwagon !
2. Moronic is as moronic does. Highly constructive btw
3. You really didn't get it, did ya ?

My opinion is that 1, 2 or possibly 3 of our striking options IS NOT going to be good enough. Rather than bring in another one, my practical suggestion would be to make a decision on 1 or 2 of them, to make room ( transfer fee / wages) for an upgrade.

Not that difficult was it ??

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You 're suggesting binning off 3 players in order to bring one in for just over 2 million pounds

I've addressed that point several times
You keep repeating it as if I don't understand
I understand but I'm trying to explain to you that your point is stupid as we would be short in numbers and the new guy might be no better

 

[Longdog]

I wasn't at the game , but , take away the non offside decision then how happy would everyone be with the performance ..

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Any critique given is considered, comes from a balanced overall perspective, and is based on much much more than just 2 games.

IMHO.

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Fair comment. My post was not specifically directed to what you had said. I think we will all be better informed by the time the JTW comes round.

 

[DronnieBlade]

You 're suggesting binning off 3 players in order to bring one in for just over 2 million pounds

I've addressed that point several times
You keep repeating it as if I don't understand
I understand but I'm trying to explain to you that your point is stupid as we would be short in numbers and the new guy might be no better

My point is not stupid. Why do you feel the need to direct insults ? Stupid and Moronic in 1 thread !

Have reasoned debate. Don't project insults. It's childish.

Now. We currently have 5 / 6 first team strikers. They are Clarke Hanson Sharp Lavery Evans and possibly Brooks.

There are 2 spots available in the 11. With one or 2 on the bench.

I have not suggested we get rid of 3 to bring one in. I have suggested we need to make a decision on 3 (the 3 being Clarke Hanson and Lavery) as to wether or not they will cut it.

Informed opinion, and not just my own, suggests they may not. Multiple threads available for you to view as evidence of this.

Now.

Let's say we get rid of 2. Let's say Hanson and Lavs, just for the hell of it.

No one is saying that bringing in a new body will work out better. Football and footballers come with no guarantees.

As we played them yesterday, let's just say that Gestede becomes surplus to requirements and available at £4m ish.UTD offer for the player and get him in through the door (I think he's probably out of our range but bear with me). Fits the big nasty bastard profile does he not ?

Our options are now Clarke Evans Gestede Sharp and Brooks.

Does this not look better to you ?

Do you believe this leaves us short of numbers ?

I don't believe 2 out 1 in leaves us short. Not at all in fact.

Upgrading your playing squad is a constantly evolving process. We won't always get it right. Nor will other clubs. The crime would be not to try to upgrade.

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[Grappler]

When I saw the title of this thread, I thought you lads were talking about me behind my back

 

[bladesman3]

Hanson would have made a very positive contribution yesterday .

U r kidding, right!

 

[Fanny magnet]

My point is not stupid. Why do you feel the need to direct insults ? Stupid and Moronic in 1 thread ! The racism was moronic you're point is stupid

Have reasoned debate. Don't project insults. It's childish.
You started it by condescendingly implying I didn't understand your stupid point



Now. We currently have 5 / 6 first team strikers. They are Clarke Hanson Sharp Lavery Evans and possibly Brooks.
Brooks is a midfielder so it's 5 and you wanted to get rid of 3 of them
There are 2 spots available in the 11. With one or 2 on the bench. So 3 players to fill 4 spots

I have not suggested we get rid of 3 to bring one in. I have suggested we need to make a decision on 3 (the 3 being Clarke Hanson and Lavery) as to wether or not they will cut it. Your first post said to flog Clarke Hanson and lavery to add to a couple of million to spend on one striker

Informed opinion, and not just my own, suggests they may not. Multiple threads available for you to view as evidence of this.

Now.

Let's say we get rid of 2. Let's say Hanson and Lavs, just for the hell of it.

No one is saying that bringing in a new body will work out better. Football and footballers come with no guarantees.
Why do it then ?
As we played them yesterday, let's just say that Gestede becomes surplus to requirements and available at £4m ish.UTD offer for the player and get him in through the door (I think he's probably out of our range but bear with me). Just ....dont know what to say to that

Our options are now Clarke Evans Gestede Sharp and Brooks.
Brooks is a midfielder
Does this not look better to you ? So now we are keeping Clarke

Do you believe this leaves us short of numbers ?
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I don't believe 2 out 1 in leaves us short. Not at all in fact.thats not what you said though
This argument wouldn't be taking place if you hadn't
Upgrading your playing squad is a constantly evolving process. We won't always get it right. Nor will other clubs. The crime would be not to try to upgrade. Do we try and upgrade every time a player has a bad game then like yesterday ?
We would need a revolving door


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[DronnieBlade]

See my post #36.

Read it back several times. Try and understand it.

Come back later. There will be a test. A stupid test !

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Ps which bit of "My opinion is that 1, 2 or possibly 3 of our striking options IS NOT going to be good enough. Rather than bring in another one, my practical suggestion would be to make a decision on 1 or 2 of them, to make room ( transfer fee / wages) for an upgrade." is confusing you ?

 

[coolhandluke]

U r kidding, right!

No . Plan B is what Hanson gives us . And by plan B I'm referring to the big target man who we can go long to . He'll draw defenders to him whilst allowing our midfield to press even higher up the pitch . This in turn drags their midfield back too thereby nullifying their advantage in the middle of the park . Trying to pass our way through them simply didn't work . Consequently when plan A doesn't work try plan B .

 

[DronnieBlade]

No . Plan B is what Hanson gives us . And by plan B I'm referring to the big target man who we can go long to . He'll draw defenders to him whilst allowing our midfield to press even higher up the pitch . This in turn drags their midfield back too thereby nullifying their advantage in the middle of the park . Trying to pass our way through them simply didn't work . Consequently when plan A doesn't work try plan B .

You advocate giving up possession of the ball, with it coming straight back at us 80%-90% of the time then. ?

Good luck with that !

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[Barney]

Knew the moment we signed Hanson that it would be a mistake.

He's a league one player.

 

[coolhandluke]

You advocate giving up possession of the ball, with it coming straight back at us 80%-90% of the time then. ?

Good luck with that !



Hanson is the devil incarnate to you so I'm not suggesting anything at all to you . Move on Dronnie , nothing to for you to see here

 

[Fanny magnet]

This.

In an ideal world I'd part exchange Lavery Hanson and Clarke, chuck a couple of million quid in to the mix as well, and get this striker we need with the majority of the attributes you mention.

Noel Edmunds still doing Swap Shop ??

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this is your original post the one i disagreed with

All your other replys have been sarcastically accusing me of not understanding that you didn't actually say any of this
Yet here it is in black and white

Take a stupid test on that and see how you go on

 

[DronnieBlade]

this is your original post the one i disagreed with

All your other replys have been sarcastically accusing me of not understanding that you didn't actually say any of this
Yet here it is in black and white

Take a stupid test on that and see how you go on

I am now officially throwing in the towel.

I bid you good day sir.

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[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

I'm not saying we don't need some big horrible b*****d in the middle of the park, but I think it's much more important to have the full 11 willing to get well and truly stuck in.

And for my money we did this yesterday, we put in a number of full blooded tackles all over the pitch, and the pressing off the ball was as good as you could ask for it to be.

We've gone away to 1 of the best teams in the division and limited them to 2/3 chances. Other than the Gestede headers I can't remember Blackman being troubled really.

Just need to show a little bit more composure on the ball, like we did in the 2nd half, and we'll be more than fine this season with the squad we've got.

 

[coolhandluke]

I'm not saying we don't need some big horrible b*****d in the middle of the park, but I think it's much more important to have the full 11 willing to get well and truly stuck in.

And for my money we did this yesterday, we put in a number of full blooded tackles all over the pitch, and the pressing off the ball was as good as you could ask for it to be.

We've gone away to 1 of the best teams in the division and limited them to 2/3 chances. Other than the Gestede headers I can't remember Blackman being troubled really.

Just need to show a little bit more composure on the ball, like we did in the 2nd half, and we'll be more than fine this season with the squad we've got.

Agreed.

And when it doesn't work throw the big lump Hanson on for the last 10 or 15 minutes .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Is the big black and French thing a joke between a few of you ex bladesmadders ?

Because if it is it's not funny and a bit moronic



Going back to my point about your simplistic and impractical approach to making us better than teams that are worth over a 100 million pounds in the transfer market

Do you now see it's not as simple as just jettisoning a couple of players you don't like and gambling on another who may or not be a success

Maybe we have to work with what we have on the basis that some players can do better and others won't make the grade

Bit early to say after one defeat and one victory don't you think ?

Because Fanny Magnet isn't the type of misogynistic name only a moron would use.

 

[coolhandluke]

Knew the moment we signed Hanson that it would be a mistake.

He's a league one player.

Being 6 foot 4 and built like a brick shithouse is a great leveller though , particularly when we throw him on for the last 10 or 15 minutes. We needed him yesterday.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Being 6 foot 4 and built like a brick shithouse is a great leveller though , particularly when we throw him on for the last 10 or 15 minutes. We needed him yesterday.

Our best play was in the last 10-15 minutes yesterday. I wonder how Hanson would have impacted on this ?

Maybe he should start ?

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[Smirth]

I think I'll reserve judgement on exactly what we need until we've played more than 1 game away from home against one of the hot favourites for the league.

 

[Th!stledo]

this is your original post the one i disagreed with

All your other replys have been sarcastically accusing me of not understanding that you didn't actually say any of this
Yet here it is in black and white

Take a stupid test on that and see how you go on

If you fail a 'stupid test' are you more stupid or clever?

 

[Fanny magnet]

If you fail a 'stupid test' are you more stupid or clever?

You have to be stupid to enter it so failure is the ultimate insult