Best Team & System for Cannon?

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Plenty of chat on here about how our system really doesn't seem particularly suitable for Cannon as he doesn't seem to have attributes you'd expect to play as a lone striker.

So I guess a fair question to ask is given that we've just paid £10 million for him, what system would get the best out of Cannon and what other players would be in that XI?
May I suggest a new cutting edge formation known as 4-4-2.

Cooper
Clarke Dunne? Anel Burrows
Hamer Souza Davies Brezza-D
Campbell Cannon

Hamer gets a fairly free roaming role rather than playing as a typical winger. Clarke assisting plenty to give width going forward.
Bench looks decent with the likes of O'Hare, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury, Peck, Robinson, McCallum, Gilchrist and Moore when he returns.
I reckon this would create plenty of opportunities for the lad compared to our current way of playing.

Thoughts on the above? And what system would you use to get the most out of Cannon?

 

[MayorOJC]

I think we should be careful about changing our entire shape just to suit one player, particularly when the alternative (Campbell) is arguable a better fit.

That said, Cannon looked best playing in Preston's 3-1-4-2 formation, so that would look something like this (Dunne as a placeholder). Even this leaves out BBD and O'Hare. Just can't see any formation that works for our players without a single center forward.

 

[Charlieblade]

Apparently, Wilder is keen on 5 at the back for the PL?

He’s done it before with some success I hear. Tough defence, but gives overlapping defenders a chance to score breakaway goals?

 

[MayorOJC]

Wouldn't say no to this, mind.

+ Cooper, don't know where he's disappeared to

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I think we should be careful about changing our entire shape just to suit one player, particularly when the alternative (Campbell) is arguable a better fit.

That said, Cannon looked best playing in Preston's 3-1-4-2 formation, so that would look something like this (Dunne as a placeholder). Even this leaves out BBD and O'Hare. Just can't see any formation that works for our players without a single center forward.

The system might work but that player selection featuring 5 defenders plus Souza and Choudhury... I think that might struggle to make many chances.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Wouldn't say no to this, mind.

+ Cooper, don't know where he's disappeared to

This one has more attacking players so that's good, I'm not sure if O'Hare would be good in that position though , possibly too lightweight? Never seen Campbell play the right side winger/striker, seems a gamble!

 

[MayorOJC]

This one has more attacking players so that's good, I'm not sure if O'Hare would be good in that position though , possibly too lightweight? Never seen Campbell play the right side winger/striker, seems a gamble!

Campbell used to play as a RF for Stoke and looked very good. Tbh I'd have him central and Rak Sayki on the right, but imagine Wilder wouldn't want to bench the £10m man.

Think O'Hare would be okay with Souza / Hamza mopping up behind. If not, there's always Davies.

 

[Cappy]

I imagine in scouting and pre-signing discussions with Cannon, we’ve come to the conclusion he can adapt to how we play, as opposed to us adapting

Cooper
Clarke Anel CB Burrows
Choudhury Souza
JRS Hamer BBD
Cannon/Campbell

 

[finlaytheblade]

Wilder has been accused of not having a plan B or C ! this squad offers him a real chance of changing within games if necessary. Having 9 on bench and chance to change things due to the 5 sub rule a real game changer is available now.

 

[Bladezz]

I believe it ends up with Cannon and Campbell up top and O’Hare utilised more out wide.

The formation won’t change. You watch any premier league game they all defend in a 442 and all attack with the same formation.

Only a couple play a traditional 433 and then there’s the odd random side like Man Utd struggling with a back 3.

We all know I’m Wilder fan but the tactics are basically the same as every premier league side. Even Leeds and Burnley play the same.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

I believe it ends up with Cannon and Campbell up top and O’Hare utilised more out wide.

The formation won’t change. You watch any premier league game they all defend in a 442 and all attack with the same formation.

Only a couple play a traditional 433 and then there’s the odd random side like Man Utd struggling with a back 3.

We all know I’m Wilder fan but the tactics are basically the same as every premier league side. Even Leeds and Burnley play the same.

O’Hare had played a lot better since Arblasters injury with Hamer playing more a central role again & was linking up better with with him

With Hamer’s absence in last 2 games it’s noticeable that O’Hare has had two quiet games & we’ve had very little creativity

Now we’ve signed Choudhury & Vini back from injury I’d imagine Wilder will put Hamer out on the left again ..to me where he’s not involved enough?

 

[BladeInIreland]

I've got my fingers triple crossed that Wilders more frequent experimentation with O'Hare out wide is because he knows when Hamer is back he will be playing centrally in O'hares normal position. We looked excellent first half vs Norwich when we did this and it would likely lead to the service Cannon needs.

 

[SwissBlade]

In a tight game v Derby, Cannon was central, but as Brewster played it to burrows, he was on the move. Cannon received the ball on the left from Burrows and then Cannon fired the ball across for BBD coming in from the right. BBD had been on the right throughout the passage of play and drifted left /
Right through the game.

I don’t think it has to be an obsession with static formations as we have players intelligent enough to move and create space

 

[Ron_Justice]

2 up Top, Hamza and Vini holding, creation via Gus and wing backs bombing on, covered by a solid midfield.

 

[Dnblade]

Only problem with 2 up top is we are outnumbered in midfield.
I've not seen the Derby game,as working all weekend,but i've noticed in recent games we take up a 442 shape without the ball,with O'Hare up alongside the striker...we can easily transform with the ball to a 4231 from 442 with O'Hare dropping off.
The main problem for me is getting the Full Backs on the overlap,which should improve with Clark playing.
The good thing is,we have plenty of options now to change things about during the game.

 

[Blademan89]

I imagine in scouting and pre-signing discussions with Cannon, we’ve come to the conclusion he can adapt to how we play, as opposed to us adapting

Cooper
Clarke Anel CB Burrows
Choudhury Souza
JRS Hamer BBD
Cannon/Campbell

This is how we should line up Saturday, tell jrs hamer and bbd to play expansive footballer with hamer having a free role (like Duffy got), with clarke and Burrows bombing on and choudhury / vini to mop anything up that comes past and cut any counter attacks.

With those two in the middle we can start being brave and really pushing our full backs on more like wingbacks (wide and high), especially at home. Almost as a 2 4 31 .

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Apparently, Wilder is keen on 5 at the back for the PL?

He’s done it before with some success I hear. Tough defence, but gives overlapping defenders a chance to score breakaway goals?

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[Railway Blade]

I don't necessarily think it's the system itself that's the problem its how we are operating it.

We have two holding midfielders yet we rarely, when attacking, push the fullbacks on to support the wide players. If the fullbacks overlap, or at least threaten to do so then we have more chance of getting the ball in the box.
At the moment our attacking wide players are facing at least two defenders and we push the ball backwards all the time and start again. Rinse and repeat.

We perhaps had three decent crosses all game against Derby and the one we scored from was put in by the striker himself !!

 

[bonobo]

I think it is the ability to create chances more than the system in terms of getting the best out of Cannon as a goalscorer. But the question might be in reverse, how does Cannon best support our system. Most strikers look better in a two up top and it would seem particularly so with Cannon. We have moved in and out of a 4-4-2 for most of the season, sometimes we have had 2 or OHare has pushed closer up or one of wide forwards/attacking mid/wingers has got closer. So I think that is what will happen. We saw Moore and Campbell play together when fit. Hamer will naturally continue move into the centre off the field from his starting position, whatever the set up, to have that extra body. Accommodating OHare, who you would say is a player specific to our system, given he is so important for the press....him and Hamer both starting in wide positions, not sure. But with Clarke giving us width on the right, it might just be a more fluid combination 4--2-3-1/4-4-2. I just hope BBDs versatility in all this, doesn't end up undermining his ability as a goalscorer, it feels daft given their problems Southampton had him stuck out wide while playing slow build up, rather than down the centre,

 

[Sheffsteel]

I think it is the ability to create chances more than the system in terms of getting the best out of Cannon as a goalscorer. But the question might be in reverse, how does Cannon best support our system. Most strikers look better in a two up top and it would seem particularly so with Cannon. We have moved in and out of a 4-4-2 for most of the season, sometimes we have had 2 or OHare has pushed closer up or one of wide forwards/attacking mid/wingers has got closer. So I think that is what will happen. We saw Moore and Campbell play together when fit. Hamer will naturally continue move into the centre off the field from his starting position, whatever the set up, to have that extra body. Accommodating OHare, who you would say is a player specific to our system, given he is so important for the press....him and Hamer both starting in wide positions, not sure. But with Clarke giving us width on the right, it might just be a more fluid combination 4--2-3-1/4-4-2. I just hope BBDs versatility in all this, doesn't end up undermining his ability as a goalscorer, it feels daft given their problems Southampton had him stuck out wide while playing slow build up, rather than down the centre,

Agree….it’s quite funny really that I think Wilder is still trying to find a system that works with the players he’s got.
However of course injuries have been so bad that’s his preparations and ideas have gone to pot.
He’s not found it yet and we’re not clicking….but still find ourselves in the top 2.

 

[David Wheatley]

We now have a lot of options so it is down to Wilder to find out what suits us best.

It will be surprising if he doesn’t accommodate both Cannon and Bereton Dias in his starting line up so Campbell might miss out which I think might be tough on him. He would be a good sub though.

Playing Sousa and Chouldhury as sitting midfielders also seems a given which leaves Hamer as the certain central midfielder in my opinion.

As far as the other 2 midfielders are concerned then there are a number of permutations and I think O’Hare and Saki might get the nod

One thing is definitely required however and that is as others have said to make sure our full backs get forward

 

[FinchleyBlade]

A refund and a lift back to Stoke.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

2 up Top, Hamza and Vini holding, creation via Gus and wing backs bombing on, covered by a solid midfield.

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Just man-mark Hamer here and we're totally dead.

 

[robbiez666]

He'd play best next to Moore

 

[crazyblade1889]

Plenty of chat on here about how our system really doesn't seem particularly suitable for Cannon as he doesn't seem to have attributes you'd expect to play as a lone striker.

So I guess a fair question to ask is given that we've just paid £10 million for him, what system would get the best out of Cannon and what other players would be in that XI?
May I suggest a new cutting edge formation known as 4-4-2.

Cooper
Clarke Dunne? Anel Burrows
Hamer Souza Davies Brezza-D
Campbell Cannon

Hamer gets a fairly free roaming role rather than playing as a typical winger. Clarke assisting plenty to give width going forward.
Bench looks decent with the likes of O'Hare, Rak-Sakyi, Brooks, Choudhury, Peck, Robinson, McCallum, Gilchrist and Moore when he returns.
I reckon this would create plenty of opportunities for the lad compared to our current way of playing.

Thoughts on the above? And what system would you use to get the most out of Cannon?

Drop OHare? He’s been our best player this season and you’re dropping him!? Don’t be daft. Fortunately Wilder isn’t this stupid. OHare starts every game when fit, as does Hamer and Souza. The rest is debatable.

 

[crazyblade1889]

Cooper

Clarke Anal new signing Burrows

Souza Chodrahy

Diaz OHare Hamer

Campbell

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Drop OHare? He’s been our best player this season and you’re dropping him!? Don’t be daft. Fortunately Wilder isn’t this stupid. OHare starts every game when fit, as does Hamer and Souza. The rest is debatable.

He's a grafter, but he just doesn't score enough for a guy that plays in such an advanced position. 2 goals and he's currently ranked 24th best assister in the Championship this season 5 assists in 30 games, it's OK but not amazing.

 

[crazyblade1889]

He's a grafter, but he just doesn't score enough for a guy that plays in such an advanced position. 2 goals and 5 assists in 30 games, it's OK but not amazing.

He adds a lot more to us than goals and assists. How many times has his press meant we have won the ball back or made the opposition kick it out for a throw? We would massively miss his energy up the top of the pitch. Both Cannon and JRS are both lazy

 

[CarlMcBlade]

With so many good options up the front end of of the team…I don’t really mind what combination Wilder goes with now.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

He adds a lot more to us than goals and assists. How many times has his press meant we have won the ball back or made the opposition kick it out for a throw? We would massively miss his energy up the top of the pitch. Both Cannon and JRS are both lazy

I take your point, but if someone else can chip in 5 times as many goals and a better assist rate too then surely you take that? JRS isn't in my XI btw.