Bad Run or Found Out?

[Fiery Blade]

Quite right but I guess that's an example of getting what you pay for. Man U can afford more skillful and adaptable players. On the flip side, we shouldn't need that quality of player in a much poorer division so depends how you view it.

To me it's an attitude thing. I take nothing away from the recent performances, we won four in a row and in those games we couldn't have asked for anymore. However it's not enough to simply then relax and turn up thinking the result will be a formality against Orient. We have to maintain the high standards we set and view it as our next challenge. If you slack off and become complacent in any league you will be punished.....the opposition may be poorer in lower division but the likelihood is that your own team will be as well. It's all relative.

Its all relative though - the teams that visit Old Trafford are far superior and richer than our opposition, so I was alluding to apples for apples !

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Either way it needs to be addressed. Teams with poor home form rarely win promotion.

*Apologies to everyone for the double post (above), I got an error message on my first attempt so didn't think it had posted. Wont let me edit now either*

 

[blade too long]

conversely , this weve been found out argument , works if you have ac milans coffers or chelseas , but to try and offer the notion teams like orient or colchester can look at what we have and exploit any weakness , how. they dont have the resources , they dont have scouts making a detail analysis our play , or players good enough to instruct how to do it
its all go out there and try your best at this level, thmost of the players have training to remember what the ball looks like, , christmas tree midfields and switching from 5212 to 4321 makes them think theyre on countdown , confuses them

 

[blade too long]

Either way it needs to be addressed. Teams with poor home form rarely win promotion.

west ham won 13 away and only 11 at home last season, less than half
only had to back 9 month

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

conversely , this weve been found out argument , works if you have ac milans coffers or chelseas , but to try and offer the notion teams like orient or colchester can look at what we have and exploit any weakness , how. they dont have the resources , they dont have scouts making a detail analysis our play , or players good enough to instruct how to do it
its all go out there and try your best at this level, thmost of the players have training to remember what the ball looks like, , christmas tree midfields and switching from 5212 to 4321 makes them think theyre on countdown , confuses them

You think that those clubs don't scout their opposition? I highly doubt that.....they wouldn't be doing their jobs if that was the case. All of the other 23 clubs in our division will know plenty about us and how we play.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

west ham won 13 away and only 11 at home last season, less than half
only had to back 9 month

Either way it needs to be addressed. Teams with poor home form rarely win promotion.

West Ham won the playoffs.....see the obvious problem for us under the above scenario?

 

[blade too long]

theres loads of examples of home jitters and being more relaxed away , and we are a better counter attacking side , a bit like real madrid , but without the talent

 

[blade too long]

You think that those clubs don't scout their opposition? I highly doubt that.....they wouldn't be doing their jobs if that was the case. All of the other 23 clubs in our division will know plenty about us and how we play.

but its what they can do about it , with most having less resources than us

 

[BladeFisher]

You've obviously not understood the thread at all.

I suggest you go back and read the OP.

Look pal there are some people who act stupid and there are some people that are born stupid.

You said "So in conclusion over half the people on this forum don't know what they're talking about." because they had voted for found out. Well you have been well and truly found out, because you are jumping to a conclusion before the season is concluded.

I am not sure therefore whether you are acting stupid or were born sadly intellectually deficient, but you can't conclude your argument is correct until the end of the season!

As it happens (sorry Jimmy) I trust you are correct and we get promoted, but yes I did understand your OP.

At the moment neither of your assumptions in your OP can be proved, though you might make an interim conclusion that NOW things suggest that those who voted for "bad run" as opposed to "found out" may prove to be correct. Great, absolutely wonderful. It is just at the moment you can't prove that.

PS. If you are acting stupid you may be able to get treatment, but it depends on which NHS Trust covers your area. If you were born stupid thanks for letting us all know. I have no problem with a contrary point of view but don't insult our intelligence with a hypothesis you are unable as yet to prove!

 

[Fiery Blade]

Having split the season to date in half:
The first 17 games we won 35 points
The last 17 games we won 26 points
The significant section is the last 8 home games have only realised 9 points (W3D3L3) whereas the last 9 away games have realised 17 points (W5D2L2)
Obviously our home form could cost us automatic promotion - this would suggest that we have been 'found out' especially at home
Time for Mr Wilson and his coaching staff to earn their corn methinks!

 

[blade too long]

http://www.leedsutd365.co.uk/pages/archive/leaguetables/leaguetable0708.shtml


forest went up with 82 points, champions swanseas home record wasnt one to shout about. 5 losses

both teams both only won 13 home games


we are doing better away , is this because theres less moaning , just a thought

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Well lets not worry about the home form then. We can decide whether its adequate or not once we've booked a playoff place

I'm sick of this notion that moaning fans are to blame for under performance at home - rubbish! I'm not much of a moaner myself, have my moments but always get behind the players home or away. In fact I'm quite happy with most things concerning the team at the moment. However I totally dismiss the suggestion by fans (and recently by DW) that moaning and groaning from the stands is to blame for poor home performances. They're paid handsomely to do a hobby and less well off supporters pay over the odds to watch them. We've all had criticism in our jobs at some point or another and have been paid far less for receiving it.

I suggest if it's a problem they man up, get over it and do their jobs. I love my club but I will not pander to privileged, over paid footballers. If they're not doing well enough the fans have a right (within reason) to express their displeasure. I don't do it myself but I have no problem with others doing it as long as it isn't abusive.

 

[blade too long]

Doyle was on radio saying the players feel it, do you "man up" at work if your criticised constantly
What if everyone on here moaned at everything you put , would your posts get better , not a chance (PURELY FOR ARGUMENTS SAKE , NOTHING PERSONAL)

We all perform better when encouraged its human nature , , if Flynns running at a defender hears you can beat him , surely its better than that tossers going to lose it, or am I being misled about human nature

 

[blade too long]

I heard Brian the blade on radio sheffield last night, what a dick, that vile negativity is holding us back, like to see how he encourages his grand kids, in the park , your under performing on that swing , I ve seen better grand kids elsewhere . Ive not seen a worse display all season he said , not 3 weeks since he said hed not been this season , stay away you twat do us all a favour

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I know what you mean, I don't take it personally.

Every human being is different though.....not everyone responds more positively to encouragement than to criticism. Some need the arm round them (I think those types need to man up just my opinion). I've never been like that.....I like to prove people wrong when criticised. When I played football I was the type that if I got a bollocking at half time I would then score and set one up in the second half. I did that for nowt, I wasn't paid £5-10k per week so didn't have that huge motivation.

The players aren't criticised constantly btl. They've had lots of encouragement over the course of a season. When you have such an extraordinarily good and well paid job I'm afraid you have to take the rough with the smooth. In most cases the higher the reward, the harder and more demanding your job will be. Simple as.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I heard Brian the blade on radio sheffield last night, what a dick, that vile negativity is holding us back, like to see how he encourages his grand kids, in the park , your under performing on that swing , I ve seen better grand kids elsewhere . Ive not seen a worse display all season he said , not 3 weeks since he said hed not been this season , stay away you twat do us all a favour

I find with him it's best to take not a blind bit of notice. Never have I known a person know so little and claim to know so much.

 

[sitwell]

Why does getting paid more money make you more confident. I really cant believe this arguement is taking place ,I really dont understand why some people go to matches and follow Utd. In fact I dont know how some get through life.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

In fact I dont know how some get through life.

Well it seems some get through by living in a world where under achievement or failure gets a nice big pat on the back. Must be a nice existence that.

 

[blade too long]

Why does getting paid more money make you more confident..

bank bosses are getting 1.5 million pound bonuses and thats for losing billions so pay isnt commensurate with performance

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I'm sick of this notion that moaning fans are to blame for under performance at home - rubbish! I'm not much of a moaner myself, have my moments but always get behind the players home or away. In fact I'm quite happy with most things concerning the team at the moment. However I totally dismiss the suggestion by fans (and recently by DW) that moaning and groaning from the stands is to blame for poor home performances. They're paid handsomely to do a hobby and less well off supporters pay over the odds to watch them. We've all had criticism in our jobs at some point or another and have been paid far less for receiving it.

I suggest if it's a problem they man up, get over it and do their jobs. I love my club but I will not pander to privileged, over paid footballers. If they're not doing well enough the fans have a right (within reason) to express their displeasure. I don't do it myself but I have no problem with others doing it as long as it isn't abusive.

When fans go away from home, they're all together in one place, arguably it tends to be the more vocal fans and in any event, they are always more vocal, be it in support of the team or to have a go at the home fans. At home those same fans are scattered around different parts of the ground and you're never going to get the same level of support from start to finish, it's more reactive to the play once the initial 5-10 mins are out of the way. In this division, there's also less of a reaction from away fans purely due to the numbers.

In no way am I saying that the fans are to blame at home and I don't think that's what Danny is literally saying but it is true that fans are less patient (if that's the right word) and expectations are higher. As others have said, were the performances against Bournemouth and Orient that different to warrant the massively different crowd reaction ?

 

[blade too long]

Its about perception , we expect superb crushing victories as we are flying high , but if we look to history , any blade will tell you any promotion weve achieved , theres been some bloody awful performances peppering the fixtures even on years weve prevailed. The fabulous Bassett promotion , culminating in the never to be forgotten 5-2 win at leicester, 4 games earlier , we were murdered 4-0 at leeds , but no one wants to remember that , so its lost in a haze of only remembering the good stuff . But throughout that season we were at times pretty dreadful , and we lost 4 home games
http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/division-two-old/1989-1990

and we went up with leeds , both on 85 points
just when we were looking good we lost at home to barnsley and sunderland

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/match/index.html?event=9;season=1989/90;team=344#

yet its fondly remembered as probably being better than it really was
Why , because we went up

 

[sitwell]

Well it seems some get through by living in a world where under achievement or failure gets a nice big pat on the back. Must be a nice existence that.

If you set your goals at Sheffield United beating Orient ,get booing ,I thought it was a game not the meaning of life.

 

[blade too long]

talking of goals , lets face it , if someone had said last august after the car park protest that wilson would get us 90 points , most would have laughed in your face, and only the weirdest set of points totals in years stopped us from getting automatic , what really is behind all the doubt is it was the pigs that beat us to it , if it had been huddersfield second not so many would have so much doubt

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

This thread is in danger of going off on tangents. The only point I'm making is that most people have pressure in their jobs and many come under heavy criticism every day for far less pay. I have no time for pandering to highly paid sports stars. Fans are being asked to pay a lot of money to follow their team and are placing all of their hopes on young men who are paid 10, 20 or 30 times what they earn. The players are very very lucky to do what they do and a bit of stick from the crowd is hardly much of a price to pay for it.

I don't boo and shout criticism myself. I've no interest in doing so it's not important enough to me to get that flustered by a bad pass or shot. However I understand why other people do and feel I've no right to condemn it.

 

[Fiery Blade]

If you set your goals at Sheffield United beating Orient ,get booing ,I thought it was a game not the meaning of life.

Considering you don't appear arsed whether we win or not whether we go up or not, whether we actually turn up for a game or not why not saunter down and watch Anston Over 35's on a Saturday instead of going to the Lane:
Free to watch, a pint after the game and see Geoff on Sky for the results at the Cricket Club!
Plus the fact they win nearly every game!!

 

[sitwell]

I will be at Oldham not booing ,will you ?

 

[Fiery Blade]

I will be at Oldham not booing ,will you ?

At last Sitters - we agree on something!
I don't boo either!
Most of the time words fail me but I never boo!
Unfortunately, I can't go today as I have work commitments but I will be there in spirit if not in body -keep up the good work - Have a great day!
UTB

 

[blade too long]

should only boo at the lane if piggies come , or Brian Robson

 

[stannyblade]

The following members can take a bow...

and these guys can cut themselves a nice big fat slice of humble pie...

So in conclusion over half the people on this forum don't know what they're talking about.

Care to rethink PeterNdlovu081?

We are going nowhere with Wilson. Even if by some miracle we go up Wilson is not the answer.

The time for change is now