Average league position over the last 50 years

[Danny_Blade]

Scroll down to the tables at the bottom in the link.

We're in 29th out of 89 clubs overall after our standings over the last 50 seasons have been calculated, we finished 45th this season meaning we finished 16 places below our average position.

Our average league position is 32.26 which is about 12th in the second tier (although the PL had 22 teams up until the late 90's) so that's about top 10 in the second tier at worst.

The Pigs are just above us with their average league position being 30.12, so a reality check for them if their deluded minds can accept it is that they are NOT massive.

I'm a tad surprised that we're above the likes of Charlton, Bolton, Watford, Fulham and Pompey so we're a bit better than I thought we were and it's only going to get better in the next few seasons!

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ands-top-team-followed-by-man-utd-and-arsenal

 

[mattbianco1]

Scary thing is that whilst every blade is saying we're back on par with the pigs. The fact is we finished 21 places behind.

 

[BushBlade]

Scary thing is that whilst every blade is saying we're back on par with the pigs. The fact is we finished 21 places behind.

We finished as high as we could. The structure of the leagues mean that it isn't necessarily the case that there are 20 clubs worse than the pigs but better than us. So, essentially, it's a wholly meaningless statistic.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

The top tier hasn't had 22 teams since 1993.

 

[mattbianco1]

We finished as high as we could. The structure of the leagues mean that it isn't necessarily the case that there are 20 clubs worse than the pigs but better than us. So, essentially, it's a wholly meaningless statistic.

Infact. At present, we're 1 place above them.

 

[Danny_Blade]

The top tier hasn't had 22 teams since 1993.

I thought it was late 90's but it was 1994/95 the last time it was 22 teams, when Blackburn won it.

 

[blade.i.am]

Just repeated an exercise in measuring Blades success in my lifetime (since 1959). I looked at how many teams had achieved the following:
Finalist in either FA or League Cup
Top flight winners or runners up
Second tier winners

Of the teams in the top two divisions next year only five have failed on all fronts: Us, Dingles, Brentford, Burton and Brizzle City. In addition, there are twelve clubs that have achieved one of mor of the above: Charlton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Wigan, Rotherham, Coventry, Oldham, Luton, Rochdale, Swindon, Wimbledon and Oxford.

We may be the greatest football team the world has ever seen but we haven't done much to prove it. Hopefully, Wilder is the man to change all that.

If you add play off final winners at any level I suspect our record would look even worse.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Just repeated an exercise in measuring Blades success in my lifetime (since 1959). I looked at how many teams had achieved the following:
Finalist in either FA or League Cup
Top flight winners or runners up
Second tier winners

Of the teams in the top two divisions next year only five have failed on all fronts: Us, Dingles, Brentford, Burton and Brizzle City. In addition, there are twelve clubs that have achieved one of mor of the above: Charlton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Wigan, Rotherham, Coventry, Oldham, Luton, Rochdale, Swindon, Wimbledon and Oxford.

We may be the greatest football team the world has ever seen but we haven't done much to prove it. Hopefully, Wilder is the man to change all that.

If you add play off final winners at any level I suspect our record would look even worse.

Why do you count runners up as 'success' for the two categories that we haven't been runners up in, but 'failure' for the one that we've done four times?

 

[Revolution]

41 teams have won a major trophy since we last won one in 1925. Listed by last trophy won they are:

Chelsea (2017 League), Manchester United (2017 League Cup), Leicester City (2016 League), Manchester City (2016 League Cup), Arsenal (2015 FA Cup), Wigan Athletic (2013 FA Cup), Swansea City (2013 League Cup), Liverpool (2012 League Cup), Birmingham City (2011 league Cup), Portsmouth (2008 FA Cup), Tottenham Hotspur (2008 League Cup), Middlesbrough (2004 League Cup), Blackburn Rovers (2002 League Cup), Aston Villa (1996 League Cup), Everton (1995 FA Cup), Leeds United (1992 League), Sheffield Wednesday (1991 League Cup), Nottingham Forest (1990 League Cup), Wimbledon (1988 FA Cup), Luton Town (1988 League Cup), Coventry City (1987 FA Cup), Oxford United (1986 League Cup), Norwich City (1985 League Cup), Ipswich Town (1981 UEFA Cup), West Ham United (1980 FA Cup), Wolverhampton Wanderers (1980 League Cup), Southampton (1976 FA Cup), Derby County (1975 League), Sunderland (1973 FA Cup), Stoke City (1972 League Cup), Swindon Town (1969 League Cup), Newcastle United (1969 Fairs Cup), West Bromwich Albion (1968 FA Cup), Queens Park Rangers (1967 League Cup), Burnley (1960 League), Bolton Wanderers (1958 FA Cup), Blackpool (1953 FA Cup), Charlton Athletic (1947 FA Cup), Preston North End (1938 FA Cup), Cardiff City (1927 FA Cup), Huddersfield Town (1926 League)

11 other teams have reached a final since we last reached one in 1936. Listed by last final reached they are:

Crystal Palace (2016 FA Cup), Hull City (2014 FA Cup), Bradford City (2013 League Cup), Fulham (2010 Europa league), Millwall (2004 FA Cup), Tranmere Rovers (2000 League Cup), Oldham Athletic (1990 League Cup), Watford (1984 FA Cup), Brighton and Hove Albion (1983 FA Cup), Rochdale (1962 League Cup), Rotherham United (1961 League Cup)

We have lost 7 semi finals in the time period that these teams have all won at least one.

 

[Working Class Hero]

I don't know what our average league position of all time is but we're in the top 20 for number of seasons spent in the top flight. I prefer that stat, it proves without question that we are a Premier League club and our 45th place ranking is just a blip (40 year blip).

 

[Piffle and Tosh]

we are still overachieving well in stattos all time English football league table

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Since England won the World Cup in 66 it doesn't make glorious reading.

We've had 12 years in the top flight, 12 in tier 3 or below.

For all their bluster, the pigs have had 18 top flight seasons in the last 50 years - none in this century. They've had 9 years in the third tier. They've just had their highest finish in 17 years.

Hardly the stuff of Galactic dominance. We might have tradition and loyalty, but that's about the lot in Sheffield.

 

[blade.i.am]

Why do you count runners up as 'success' for the two categories that we haven't been runners up in, but 'failure' for the one that we've done four times?

My point was to highlight achievements greater than ours not equal to.

 

[snootyfenooty]

41 teams have won a major trophy since we last won one in 1925. Listed by last trophy won they are:

Chelsea (2017 League), Manchester United (2017 League Cup), Leicester City (2016 League), Manchester City (2016 League Cup), Arsenal (2015 FA Cup), Wigan Athletic (2013 FA Cup), Swansea City (2013 League Cup), Liverpool (2012 League Cup), Birmingham City (2011 league Cup), Portsmouth (2008 FA Cup), Tottenham Hotspur (2008 League Cup), Middlesbrough (2004 League Cup), Blackburn Rovers (2002 League Cup), Aston Villa (1996 League Cup), Everton (1995 FA Cup), Leeds United (1992 League), Sheffield Wednesday (1991 League Cup), Nottingham Forest (1990 League Cup), Wimbledon (1988 FA Cup), Luton Town (1988 League Cup), Coventry City (1987 FA Cup), Oxford United (1986 League Cup), Norwich City (1985 League Cup), Ipswich Town (1981 UEFA Cup), West Ham United (1980 FA Cup), Wolverhampton Wanderers (1980 League Cup), Southampton (1976 FA Cup), Derby County (1975 League), Sunderland (1973 FA Cup), Stoke City (1972 League Cup), Swindon Town (1969 League Cup), Newcastle United (1969 Fairs Cup), West Bromwich Albion (1968 FA Cup), Queens Park Rangers (1967 League Cup), Burnley (1960 League), Bolton Wanderers (1958 FA Cup), Blackpool (1953 FA Cup), Charlton Athletic (1947 FA Cup), Preston North End (1938 FA Cup), Cardiff City (1927 FA Cup), Huddersfield Town (1926 League)

11 other teams have reached a final since we last reached one in 1936. Listed by last final reached they are:

Crystal Palace (2016 FA Cup), Hull City (2014 FA Cup), Bradford City (2013 League Cup), Fulham (2010 Europa league), Millwall (2004 FA Cup), Tranmere Rovers (2000 League Cup), Oldham Athletic (1990 League Cup), Watford (1984 FA Cup), Brighton and Hove Albion (1983 FA Cup), Rochdale (1962 League Cup), Rotherham United (1961 League Cup)

We have lost 7 semi finals in the time period that these teams have all won at least one.

Fucking hell you deserve a like for typing that! I got migraine trying to read it.

 

[TJB.]

The structure of the leagues

There's an idea...

Imagine there's no split divisions, just one fucking massive 92-club league played over 4 seasons, with everybody playing each other.

The likes of Yeovil away at Chelsea, and Man City traipsing to Fleetwood and Morecambe. FA Cup mentalities in league fixtures.

I actually really like the sound of that!

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Scroll down to the tables at the bottom in the link.

We're in 29th out of 89 clubs overall after our standings over the last 50 seasons have been calculated, we finished 45th this season meaning we finished 16 places below our average position.

Our average league position is 32.26 which is about 12th in the second tier (although the PL had 22 teams up until the late 90's) so that's about top 10 in the second tier at worst.

The Pigs are just above us with their average league position being 30.12, so a reality check for them if their deluded minds can accept it is that they are NOT massive.

I'm a tad surprised that we're above the likes of Charlton, Bolton, Watford, Fulham and Pompey so we're a bit better than I thought we were and it's only going to get better in the next few seasons!

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ands-top-team-followed-by-man-utd-and-arsenal

It's another irrelevant statistic though. And it's quite a damning one. It clearly shows Wednesday have been more successful than us over that period. Paint it how you like but that's a fact.

And it shows neither Sheffield club are top teams in that time period. I don't take any consolation in knowing that a city of half a million population is slightly more successful than some London suburbs or a town full of Jack Tars on the South Coast. We should be thinking more ambitiously than that.

A club of this size in a city of this size should be top 10/12 comfortably.

But maybe the next 50 years will be different?

 

[SalopianBlade]

I wonder where we were in that table before the league one years...

 

[Danny_Blade]

It's another irrelevant statistic though. And it's quite a damning one. It clearly shows Wednesday have been more successful than us over that period. Paint it how you like but that's a fact.

And it shows neither Sheffield club are top teams in that time period. I don't take any consolation in knowing that a city of half a million population is slightly more successful than some London suburbs or a town full of Jack Tars on the South Coast. We should be thinking more ambitiously than that.

A club of this size in a city of this size should be top 10/12 comfortably.

But maybe the next 50 years will be different?

Oh I completely agree, I wasn't trying to make out that the stats in my OP are anything to shout about I was just merely posting them from the article. What I said in my last sentence about being above those clubs - I was a little surprised by it but again it's nothing special.

While the stats do show that the Pigs have done better than us however its only by 2 league places on average which is nothing in my eyes, both clubs are in 28th and 29th so neither really can say they're more significant than the other.

I do find it astonishing though that both Sheffield clubs have done very little of note over the past 50 years and to say they've under achieved is an understatement and a major disappointment in representing this great city. After last weeks play-off failure the Pigs are now going to have been outside the PL for 18 years which is funny from our point of view but to the neutral its shocking.

I do think it's now only a matter of time until both are back in the top flight but for how long? So about the next 50 years lets hope it brings a lengthy period of competing in the upper echelons of English football again, its long overdue.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

That we average position 32 (or mid table tier 2) over the last 50 years is a shocking condemnation of successive piss-poor chairmen and boards, who more often than not have displayed a small time mentality. Compare that to the first 50 years as a league club and I'd guess then we'd be a mid-table tier 1 team.

Basically we've been shit since they abolished the maximum wage ... thank you so much Dick Wragg, John Hasall, Reg Brealey, Paul Woolhouse, Mike McDonald and Kevin McCabe. Sell the family silver and expect at best an average Championship club (the proof is in the pudding of the last 50 years, I bet it would look even bleaker if it was the last 40 years), show some proper ambition and we might actually get somewhere. We've currently got the right manager in charge back the f***er to the hilt.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Oh I completely agree, I wasn't trying to make out that the stats in my OP are anything to shout about I was just merely posting them from the article. What I said in my last sentence about being above those clubs - I was a little surprised by it but again it's nothing special.

While the stats do show that the Pigs have done better than us however its only by 2 league places on average which is nothing in my eyes, both clubs are in 28th and 29th so neither really can say they're more significant than the other.

I do find it astonishing though that both Sheffield clubs have done very little of note over the past 50 years and to say they've under achieved is an understatement and a major disappointment in representing this great city. After last weeks play-off failure the Pigs are now going to have been outside the PL for 18 years which is funny from our point of view but to the neutral its shocking.

I do think it's now only a matter of time until both are back in the top flight but for how long? So about the next 50 years lets hope it brings a lengthy period of competing in the upper echelons of English football again, its long overdue.

Agree.

And if we think we're bad there are other big cities, like Hull and Bristol, who I suspect have fared even worse.

But Sheffield ought to be better. Be ye Owl or Blade.

In some ways I think it reflects our city and the lack of ambition for being the best. Or at least, trying to be the best.

We don't want an international airport, we don't want top stores or restaurants - we just want to stay as we are. Or some of us do.

The bad news is, for those folk, we've got a chance to put Sheffield back on the map, football wise, next season. I hope we take it. I hope United take it anyhow.

 

[Danny_Blade]

Agree.

And if we think we're bad there are other big cities, like Hull and Bristol, who I suspect have fared even worse.

But Sheffield ought to be better. Be ye Owl or Blade.

In some ways I think it reflects our city and the lack of ambition for being the best. Or at least, trying to be the best.

We don't want an international airport, we don't want top stores or restaurants - we just want to stay as we are. Or some of us do.

The bad news is, for those folk, we've got a chance to put Sheffield back on the map, football wise, next season. I hope we take it. I hope United take it anyhow.

That negative mentality of some folk is something I can't comprehend, we are a big city but don't come across as one and lack some hallmarks of one.