Automatic Promotion.

[BushBlade]

This thread is so depressing I feel like Morrissey listening to Joy Division.

 

[blade too long]

We changed manager and completely changed our entire style of play mid season.


Did you miss that bit?

whats that got to do with probability of collecting points
all seasons are different
different players different managers
but the fact is some clubs move up and some fall away from november to may
brentford lost in nine league one play offs
but managed what we are trying to do
so its well possible

but feel free to have no faith whatsoever
its your perogative to give up easily

 

[PeteBlade]

well what we did between 198 8 and 2010 wasnt in league one

I'm sure that makes sense in your head.

 

[PeteBlade]

whats that got to do with probability of collecting points
all seasons are different
different players different managers
but the fact is some clubs move up and some fall away from november to may
brentford lost in nine league one play offs
but managed what we are trying to do
so its well possible

but feel free to have no faith whatsoever
its your perogative to give up easily

It's called using logic.
We aren't likely to change the way we play this season, ergo, we're likely to get the same results.

The season we drastically changed our fortunes was the season everything about the way we played was changed.

I'd much rather be realistic than however you'd describe how you're being.

 

[blade too long]

I'm sure that makes sense in your head.

I am comparing our support in league one or div 3 as it was then
dont think even though we finished lower in div 3 in 1983 we ever gave up on our belief
we never said thats it its over
we had a dreadful dreadful side then , but we had faith

 

[Barney]

It's called using logic.
We aren't likely to change the way we play this season, ergo, we're likely to get the same results.

The season we drastically changed our fortunes was the season everything about the way we played was changed.

I'd much rather be realistic than however you'd describe how you're being.

Stupid?

 

[PeteBlade]

I am comparing our support in league one or div 3 as it was then
dont think even though we finished lower in div 3 in 1983 we ever gave up on our belief
we never said thats it its over
we had a dreadful dreadful side then , but we had faith

You're speaking for the entire fan base of 1983 are you?

 

[Deadbat]

I don't think people are giving up. However most people are just saying what they are seeing. It's reality that this side in now way has shown or looks capable of putting together a run of performances and results to get anywhere near the top 2. We might scrape 5th or 6th at best but that is most optimistic I can see.

I still cling to a bit of hope Adkins might get them playing or might get some performances or bring in some new blood but he has said no loan signings so we are stuck with this lot for another 6 or 7 weeks and then we have to hope somehow a few key personality type signings can inflluence some of the rest of the average Joe's into some kind of passion/life.

This side is full of losers who just don't get it. The change of managers constantly had had no affect on them. They have got worse. The majority have gone though the motions settling for mediocirty for a long time now. Next season when they are playing for Partick or Dagenham; they might think back about playing in front of 20,000 in a great stadium with superb training facilities and think ' God I blew it!' Sadly, most are too thick to even think like that.

 

[blade too long]

It's called using logic.
We aren't likely to change the way we play this season, ergo, we're likely to get the same results.

The season we drastically changed our fortunes was the season everything about the way we played was changed.

I'd much rather be realistic than however you'd describe how you're being.

So you know that for a fact
when the unfit players are all fully fit we wont change
clubs thats gone from mid table to get promoted before
that had been as indifferent as weve been
they changed , but we cant

be a day to give up football if I thought that

 

[blade too long]

You're speaking for the entire fan base of 1983 are you?

yes , we all thought wed be back and eventually we were , so our faith worked

 

[Barney]

yes , we all thought wed be back and eventually we were , so our faith worked

You're able to speak for entire fan bases?

Fucking hell.

 

[mosbolad]

We would have to sign Messi & Ronaldo to get auto promotion from this position.

Yes and both failed to score in the last big derby! So 2 more duff signings from Adkins then!

 

[mosbolad]

You're able to speak for entire fan bases?

Whereas you don't speak for any fans whatsoever........

 

[PeteBlade]

yes , we all thought wed be back and eventually we were , so our faith worked

Amazing.

 

[PeteBlade]

So you know that for a fact
when the unfit players are all fully fit we wont change
clubs thats gone from mid table to get promoted before
that had been as indifferent as weve been
they changed , but we cant

be a day to give up football if I thought that

I've not given up on the season I've said we might still make the play offs.

But as pointed out, realistically we won't catch the top 2.

It doesn't make you some kind of bigger Blade purely because like Comical Ali, you say we could still gain automatic promotion when it's clear to most that we won't.

 

[Hartley Hare]

Statto.com have us finishing 10th this season based on long term & short term trends in form.
We would have to sign Messi & Ronaldo to get auto promotion from this position.

I suppose Statto.com people drive their cars blindfold looking out of the back window.

The past is no indicator of the future, after all we won the FA Cup in 1925.



Keep yer chins up lads. We will be good again, one day.

HH

 

[Rodders]

its november

2 years ago with a team that lost 10 of its first 12 we made up 18 points from January after losing 3-0 at crewe
just missed the play offs but went from relegation to the brink of going up
its gob smacking how short some peoples memories are
was that a much better team, dont think so

so if a team that made the worst start in living memory can manage 23rd to 7th

Happened in the past so its irrelevant.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Happened in the past so its irrelevant.

So did your post, so is that not relevant?

 

[Toledo Blade]

A monkey glances up and sees a banana, and that's as far as he looks. A visionary looks up and sees the moon.” I look up at the league table and see another season in league 1

 

[Revolution]

Has blade too long revised his prediction down from us getting 110 points to 100 points yet?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

This season I suggest the 2nd placed automatic promotion spot will need a lowish points haul of around 87 points as there is a lack of outstanding teams.

We have 28 games remaining and need 61 points to get 87 points, that's 2.2 points per game on average.

The manager knows his players now and has the key signing of Dean Hammond bedding into the team. He talks about him as though he will stay with us until the end of the season at least. The manager considers his presence vital so we have to treat that level of respect at face value and trust him.

Round about this stage of the season the manager should searching for a settled side and style of play. If we are going to achieve automatic promotion and over 2.2 points per game then we desperately need to improve.

Who knows the manager might have a couple of rabbits to pull out of the hat in January but if we don't settle down and urgently improve and then gain some consistency this year then we could be out of touch by January 1st.

The remaining fixtures this year are listed below and I guess the results to show what's needed to gather points at that rate:

Shrewsbury(H) 3 points
Barnsley (A) 3
Coventry (H) 3
Scunthorpe (A) 1
Wigan (A) 1
Bradford (H) 3

Total 14 points = 2.3 points per game average.

If we do achieve 14 points or more then we have the hope of a Happy New Year but anything less could lead to us being also-rans and at best in the Play-Off lottery.

I think we can do it. Do you?

Serious question

We needed to find 8 extra points by the Wigan game back on Oct 18th, that's now slipped to needing to find 11.
That is based on a low target figure of 87 points.

Why do you think we can do it?
Two rabbits and Hammond are not much to hang yer hopes on.

We're not even on target for the play offs at the moment being 4 points short of that target.

Wake up.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Serious question

We needed to find 8 extra points by the Wigan game back on Oct 18th, that's now slipped to needing to find 11.
That is based on a low target figure of 87 points.

Why do you think we can do it?
Two rabbits and Hammond are not much to hang yer hopes on.

We're not even on target for the play offs at the moment being 4 points short of that target.

Wake up.

But at the beginning of September we were 3rd after winning 4 in a row.

That's the beauty of football, it's completely unpredictable.

Look at the resurrection Clough performed a couple of seasons ago, from relegation certainties to within a whisker of the play offs.

It DOES happen.

 

[Revolution]

But at the beginning of September we were 3rd after winning 4 in a row.

That's the beauty of football, it's completely unpredictable.

Look at the resurrection Clough performed a couple of seasons ago, from relegation certainties to within a whisker of the play offs.

It DOES happen.

It does. But more often than not, it doesn't.

And we have our usual handicap. Our transfer policy is run by amateurs.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Serious question

We needed to find 8 extra points by the Wigan game back on Oct 18th, that's now slipped to needing to find 11.
That is based on a low target figure of 87 points.

Why do you think we can do it?
Two rabbits and Hammond are not much to hang yer hopes on.

We're not even on target for the play offs at the moment being 4 points short of that target.

Wake up.

As we all know football is a funny old game. I reckon we have ended numerous games this season gobsmacked that points have drifted away somehow. I reckon we have been unlucky with injuries and hard done by lady luck and referees.

A couple of slices of luck and a dose of confidence after a couple of wins could set us off on a roll.

I presume Hamm ond is the sort of leader within the dressing room who can help harness any confidence.

Of course we can do it. Whether we will is another matter.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Don't get me wrong, I do not see any evidence of a player watching Hammond. However the under pressure manager has total belief in him and I have to respect that.

I also think our players are better than most other squads, maybe could do with some pace in January though.

 

[super_pig]

Don't get me wrong, I do not see any evidence of a player watching Hammond. However the under pressure manager has total belief in him and I have to respect that.
I also think our players are better than most other squads, maybe could do with some pace in January though.

league position never lies

 

[Ted Danson]

its november

2 years ago with a team that lost 10 of its first 12 we made up 18 points from January after losing 3-0 at crewe
just missed the play offs but went from relegation to the brink of going up
its gob smacking how short some peoples memories are
was that a much better team, dont think so

so if a team that made the worst start in living memory can manage 23rd to 7th

seeing as long term weve never finished below 7th and only just fallen to 11th for 1 week after being in the top 8 all year .how is it feesable , purely on maths
using maths us being 10th can only be based on the last fortnight

You dont half quote the past alot when youve already said that its irrelevant.

So without discussing the past tell me why you think Adkins is any good and why we'll turn it around?

 

[Woodwardfan]

league position never lies

League position in May is the only one that matters?!

 

[super_pig]

League position in May is the only one that matters?!

indeed.. i'm not optimistic

 

[1danewhitehouse]

its november

2 years ago with a team that lost 10 of its first 12 we made up 18 points from January after losing 3-0 at crewe
just missed the play offs but went from relegation to the brink of going up
its gob smacking how short some peoples memories are
was that a much better team, dont think so

so if a team that made the worst start in living memory can manage 23rd to 7th

That involved a change in manager. It could be argued that the 23rd was a false position as most managers would have had that squad around mid-table. Adding Brayford and Scougall boosted us to be better than that but rarely do teams contrast in performance so strongly without a change in manager. I’m not advocating that by the way, just pointing to it as a reason why we won’t experience such a drastic change this time. Hopefully we will improve in January and will make the playoffs but automatic does seem terribly unlikely.