Arnold f'ks us off

[OllyBlade]

Wrong. Interviews are a two way street to decide a) if you're a good fit for the company or b) if the company is a good fit for you. Only mugs and the desperate think that interviews are solely about a)

Yep good point, it seems no-one was too impressed on either count.

 

[NZ Blade in Nelson]

And for what it's worth Heskey wouldn't be in the top 100 players

That is not quite true now is it? The A league is poor in the extreme and Heskey is one of the better players in there, agreed by most. According to your rating though he is lucky to get a start for any team in the league.

 

[ken shabby]

Quite right, heskey shone in the dreary A league, he has very little left as a footballing talent yet scored a few ,yes scored!! and stood out, as does a half crippled Paul ifill for the wellington side, there`s a Fred that isn`t the real Fred brazillian who is a star player yet he`s roughly graves park standard. The A league just isn`t very good & they rightly don`t shine in the asian champions league because the teams are skelmersdale united in disguise. I caught half a CCM match on the box, sorry apart from the scots lad masquerading as a New Zealander they were flat & boring.

All My opinion of course but i certainly wouldn`t pay to watch a game live. Oh & CCM won the A league in a play off system, they didn`t actually finish top of the dungheap.

 

[Pinchy]

Im still struggling to see how Dave Bassett deserves to be on the panel & instrumental in helping us choose our next manager.

He hasnt been involved seriously in a football club for the past decade.

Not only that but when he was last here as an advisor to Mickey Adams. He didnt help at all. How much involvement did he have? was he to blame for our failures in the transfer market that ultimateley ended up with us relegated?
After all he was Adams' chief advisor after Alan Cork. He must have had a say.

Struggle no more, Kev. He doesn't. It defies all logic and is contrary to public pronouncements, from both our Chairman and our CEO, about the new model for SUFC. It is a major embarrassment but only a few of us are prepared to state the obvious. The rest have placed Dinosaur Dave on a pedestal. They would rather our club be an international laughing stock than dare to suggest that the Emperor has no clothes. Expect what you say to be quietly ignored.

 

[Balham]

Pinchy I suspect that our views on many things Sheffield United are similar - a desire for proper football, an end to the parochial Bladey Bladeness which seems to pervade the entire ethos of the club, removal of Dave Bassett from any decision making process at SUFC - but I do wonder whether you've gone too far on this one.

Graham Arnold may or may not have had an interview. He may or, more likely, may not have been offered a job. That does not mean that everything in his outburst to the press was true.

Let's see who is appointed and how pre-season and the first few games pan out before we mourn the death of our hopes.

 

[boohissboo]

NZ Blade is quite right, Arnold has lead a very average side to a win in a poor league. A poor over hyped league full of 10th rate Brazilians & never have been Europeans all looking class because the local fare in aussie is shiter than a dingo`s arse on the barbie.

Central coast are currently getting whipped by obscure asian sides in their version of the champions league. trust me we don`t want a manager from this tepid little australian league, CCM are mind numbingly boring, monty is absolute minge & so is his tosspot of a manager. He`s got a big gob though.

Firstly, none of the Brazilians here have looked class for a number of years. The only exception right now is Guilherme Finkler, depending who you ask. The comments regarding the quality of the league are fair - it's very young and will take time to surpass League One, which it eventually will. 15-20 years, probably more. Football has a lot to compete with culturally and financially, whereas Japan/Korea only has baseball.

In regards to Champions League teams being obscure. Well, they might seem that way from your computer chair in Sheffield but Japan and Korea reformed their football systems 20 and 30 years ago respectively and they are currently bearing fruit. Kashiwa Reysol, Urawa Reds, FC Tokyo, Jeonbuk, Pohang, Suwon, FC Seoul... these clubs are not obscure (ask any decent European scout). As for China, Arnold's team played against Guangzhou Evergrande in the round of 16. This club has people like Marcello Lippi on its books. The next best club in China has Radomir Antic. Kashiwa Reysol has Nelson Baptista. Plenty of other clubs have good managers - Being in League One, I know you're aware of how important it is to have a good gaffer.

I should point out that I don't support Central Coast and I don't even like Arnold - every week he has something to complain about or someone to blame. I just want to share some insight and hopefully open your eyes to the world of football. It's not all mickey mouse and lollipops on this side.

 

[Pinchy]

Firstly, none of the Brazilians here have looked class for a number of years. The only exception right now is Guilherme Finkler, depending who you ask. The comments regarding the quality of the league are fair - it's very young and will take time to surpass League One, which it eventually will. 15-20 years, probably more. Football has a lot to compete with culturally and financially, whereas Japan/Korea only has baseball.

In regards to Champions League teams being obscure. Well, they might seem that way from your computer chair in Sheffield but Japan and Korea reformed their football systems 20 and 30 years ago respectively and they are currently bearing fruit. Kashiwa Reysol, Urawa Reds, FC Tokyo, Jeonbuk, Pohang, Suwon, FC Seoul... these clubs are not obscure (ask any decent European scout). As for China, Arnold's team played against Guangzhou Evergrande in the round of 16. This club has people like Marcello Lippi on its books. The next best club in China has Radomir Antic. Kashiwa Reysol has Nelson Baptista. Plenty of other clubs have good managers - Being in League One, I know you're aware of how important it is to have a good gaffer.

I should point out that I don't support Central Coast and I don't even like Arnold - every week he has something to complain about or someone to blame. I just want to share some insight and hopefully open your eyes to the world of football. It's not all mickey mouse and lollipops on this side.

Well argued sir. Now then, about your cricket team....

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Julian Winter responds - addresses quite a few points.

In the meantime, Mr Winter has taken time out to comment on the 'disappointing' claims made in the media by Central Coast Mariners Head Coach Graham Arnold following his interview for the post.

Arnold suggested the Club was 'out of touch' with its requirements for the managerial post.

Mr Winter said: "Whilst Graham Arnold may have been responding to one or two challenging questions, I am flabbergasted and disappointed by Mr Arnold's remarks which are unprofessional, clearly misinformed and not the actual position of the club.

"Key information about how the club is structured and how it plans to operate has been clearly missed.

"We set out a clear manager profile to meet the future needs of the Club to 'act differently' in terms of player recruitment and continue the utilisation of home grown talent where the Club has been incredibly successful in recent years.

"The Club has reorganised to create a modern football department and has established a new player recruitment function through a Head of Football Operations, similar to Clubs like West Brom, Southampton, Cardiff and Watford who have all enjoyed an upturn in fortunes.

"We have also applied for Category Two status as an Academy with a clear football philosophy to take the Club forward," added Mr Winter.

 

[Latters]

Julian Winter responds - addresses quite a few points.

The only point I want him to address is who the pissing manager will be. There's taking your time and there's taking the piss. Surely they are now doing the latter.

 

[raul]

Julian Winter responds - addresses quite a few points.

Yep, happy with that Mr Winter. Let's move on.

 

[Balham]

Reading that Julian Winter quote I'm quite sure that he doesn't at any point try and counter the claims from Arnold that we're still advocating long ball tactics. That's a disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

I fully agree with the description of Graham Arnold as "unprofessional [and] clearly misinformed" though.

 

[sheffielder]

Reading that Julian Winter quote I'm quite sure that he doesn't at any point try and counter the claims from Arnold that we're still advocating long ball tactics. That's a disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

I fully agree with the description of Graham Arnold as "unprofessional [and] clearly misinformed" though.

He doesn't need to counterpart. Proof will be in the manager chosen and the style of football we play next season. I am glad he remained professional in his reply.

 

[Balham]

He doesn't need to counterpart. Proof will be in the manager chosen and the style of football we play next season. I am glad he remained professional in his reply.

That is true but something along the lines of "seeking to play attractive football" would have remained professional while removing some of the fear started by seeing Dave Bassett's name on an interview panel in 2013.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

In the 1988-89 season we finished 2nd in the 3rd Division with 84 points.
We scored 2 or more goals in 26 matches and 93 league goals in total
We played direct, exciting, attacking football and only failed to hit the net in 7 out of 46 matches.
If we could repeat that success in 2013-14, I for one would be more than happy to see us play in a “prehistoric” fashion.

“..but football has changed. Those tactics don’t work anymore. They stopped working years ago”.


Tell that to Wednesday and Doncaster who got promoted from this league by playing direct football.
Tell it to Stoke and Bolton who established themselves in the Premier League, reached finals, won trophies.
Tell it to Bradford fans who saw their club play in a League Cup Final and win at Wembley in a Play-Off final.
Tell it to West Ham, tell it to Port Vale, tell it to Northampton.
In fact, tell it to Sheffield United fans whose most successful years have come while watching prehistoric “hoofball” under dinosaur managers.

Except of course it wasn’t always “hoofball” (2002/2003) and when done well, even “hoofball” is bloody exciting to watch (1988 to 1990).
Someone drew the battle lines in the wrong place. The real battle is not direct v passing but attacking football v defensive football.
Wilson’s first season. Very attacking, great results, great to watch, no complaints from me.
Wilson’s second season. Very defensive, similar results but terrible to watch, I can understand why fans turned against him.
Kendall was a very similar story to Wilson. Spackman’s team played passing football and it was also great to watch.
Robson, Heath and Speed all played football “the right way” but it was terrible to watch.

Whoever we choose as manager, I just hope he goes down the attacking football route. That to me is "attractive" football whether it's direct, passing or somewhere in between.
I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re hopeless and will never amount to anything.
At least let us get some enjoyment out of our football even if it’s 3-5 defeats every week.

 

[Bladesway]

Pinchy I suspect that our views on many things Sheffield United are similar - a desire for proper football, an end to the parochial Bladey Bladeness which seems to pervade the entire ethos of the club, removal of Dave Bassett from any decision making process at SUFC - but I do wonder whether you've gone too far on this one.

Graham Arnold may or may not have had an interview. He may or, more likely, may not have been offered a job. That does not mean that everything in his outburst to the press was true.

Let's see who is appointed and how pre-season and the first few games pan out before we mourn the death of our hopes.

as much as i am a shit blade who hates his club I agree with this totally.

 

[Kev Gee]

Julian Winter responds - addresses quite a few points.

Theres some right management buzzwords on there.

Actions will speak louder than management McWobblegob speak

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Reading that Julian Winter quote I'm quite sure that he doesn't at any point try and counter the claims from Arnold that we're still advocating long ball tactics. That's a disappointment as far as I'm concerned.

I thought it was a very good response actually and I think he did address it.
""We want a manager to pick up the reigns in terms of the culture and introduce a particular way of playing. "We want someone with a clear football philosophy that encourages talented players to express themselves and bring about success on the field.
"We set out a detailed job description for the role and Graham had that so it is interesting that his comments came about really."
Encouraging young players doesn't usually mean kicking for the corners, or bypassing the midfield.

I fully agree with the description of Graham Arnold as "unprofessional [and] clearly misinformed" though.

It has come across that way hasn't it.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Theres some right management buzzwords on there.

Actions will speak louder than management McWobblegob speak

Agreed there is some management spiel in there but its actually more professional, detached and focused than the average McCabe press release.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

I don't like all this DB bashing, he was a great manager for us. And the football wasn't anywhere near as "hoofy" as people like to make out. I agree he shouldn't be anywhere near the club, he passed his sell by date years ago, but that's the fault of whoever decided he should be involved.

The worrying thing is, McCabe is utterly incompetent but we have just as bad people employed throughout the board. He probably took more of a backseat due to his failures, but the people running it are probably even worse than he is. We have a load of old duffers everywhere you look, with all their roles poorly defined and seemingly changing every month. We would probably be better off with McCabe sat in the boardroom making all the decisions, instead of a load of equally incompetent clueless gutless wonders.

 

[Pinchy]

I thought it was a very good response actually and I think he did address it.
""We want a manager to pick up the reigns in terms of the culture and introduce a particular way of playing. "We want someone with a clear football philosophy that encourages talented players to express themselves and bring about success on the field.
"We set out a detailed job description for the role and Graham had that so it is interesting that his comments came about really."
Encouraging young players doesn't usually mean kicking for the corners, or bypassing the midfield.


It has come across that way hasn't it.

I would go along with all this were it not or the stark fact that Bassett was on the interview panel. Arnold singles him out for mention. It's an obvious inference that it was him who was asking the silly, outdated questions.

It is quite impossible to justify this dinosaur having any role whatsoever at a club [admirably] seeking to re-profile in the way Winter suggests. He is, however, playing such a role. This particular circle can't be squared. He is an embarrassment and we are presently an international joke. Well done, DD.

In the 1988-89 season we finished 2nd in the 3rd Division with 84 points.
We scored 2 or more goals in 26 matches and 93 league goals in total
We played direct, exciting, attacking football and only failed to hit the net in 7 out of 46 matches.
If we could repeat that success in 2013-14, I for one would be more than happy to see us play in a “prehistoric” fashion.

“..but football has changed. Those tactics don’t work anymore. They stopped working years ago”.


Tell that to Wednesday and Doncaster who got promoted from this league by playing direct football.
Tell it to Stoke and Bolton who established themselves in the Premier League, reached finals, won trophies.
Tell it to Bradford fans who saw their club play in a League Cup Final and win at Wembley in a Play-Off final.
Tell it to West Ham, tell it to Port Vale, tell it to Northampton.
In fact, tell it to Sheffield United fans whose most successful years have come while watching prehistoric “hoofball” under dinosaur managers.

Except of course it wasn’t always “hoofball” (2002/2003) and when done well, even “hoofball” is bloody exciting to watch (1988 to 1990).
Someone drew the battle lines in the wrong place. The real battle is not direct v passing but attacking football v defensive football.
Wilson’s first season. Very attacking, great results, great to watch, no complaints from me.
Wilson’s second season. Very defensive, similar results but terrible to watch, I can understand why fans turned against him.
Kendall was a very similar story to Wilson. Spackman’s team played passing football and it was also great to watch.
Robson, Heath and Speed all played football “the right way” but it was terrible to watch.

Whoever we choose as manager, I just hope he goes down the attacking football route. That to me is "attractive" football whether it's direct, passing or somewhere in between.
I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re hopeless and will never amount to anything.
At least let us get some enjoyment out of our football even if it’s 3-5 defeats every week.

The utterly discredited We ❤ Hoof Brigade mount another last-ditch rearguard action. Charmless, unimaginative and sterile, much like the 'football' they love so much. Parochial, self-satisfied claptrap, lacking any elegance or style whatsoever. I'm pretty sure they are affiliated to the E.D.L.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

So expressing admiration for our most successful managers makes me a racist now does it?
That's a fairly pathetic response even by your own predictable mono-thinking standards.
I had thought you might actually read my post and come back with a counter-argument.

In what way are fans who enjoyed the best Bassett and Warnock years discredited?
If a "direct" style of play is sterile nowadays, how did the teams I listed manage to achieve success recently?
I'm not actually sure what you're disagreeing with.
Did you miss the bit where I said I enjoyed attacking football played in either style?
Are you saying that attacking football isn't attractive to watch?
Why don't you explain your reasoning rather than indulge in childish name calling?

 

[Revolution]

Pinchy, that last post of yours really does you no credit at all. You owe Sothall an apology.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I'm pretty sure they are affiliated to the E.D.L.

Thoroughly uncalled for.

 

[Pinchy]

So expressing admiration for our most successful managers makes me a racist now does it?
That's a fairly pathetic response even by your own predictable mono-thinking standards.
I had thought you might actually read my post and come back with a counter-argument.

In what way are fans who enjoyed the best Bassett and Warnock years discredited?
If a "direct" style of play is sterile nowadays, how did the teams I listed manage to achieve success recently?
I'm not actually sure what you're disagreeing with.
Did you miss the bit where I said I enjoyed attacking football played in either style?
Are you saying that attacking football isn't attractive to watch?
Why don't you explain your reasoning rather than indulge in childish name calling?

I've set out my reasoning on countless occasions, at considerable length. I don't propose to re-state the argument in full every time! I wouldn't be thanked for cutting and pasting several dozens of previous posts. I'm afraid you insular S2 Hoof fans don't appear to take on board unassailable arguments but simply carry on with your prehistoric propensities towards a 'style' that everyone else rightly left behind years ago. In that sense, it's no different to debating with the E.D.L. The comparison was light-hearted, not offensive. Lets not get carried away!

Some of you want to place Bassett beyond criticism. I don't and will say so. He has no place at a modern football club and his current involvement at SUFC is a complete embarrassment as rightly exposed by Arnold, who is himself no favourite of mine. You might want to reflect a little more carefully on what he says, rather than leaping automatically to defence and denial.

 

[Revolution]

I've set out my reasoning on countless occasions, at considerable length. I don't propose to re-state the argument in full every time! I wouldn't be thanked for cutting and pasting several dozens of previous posts. I'm afraid you insular S2 Hoof fans don't appear to take on board unassailable arguments but simply carry on with your prehistoric propensities towards a 'style' that everyone else rightly left behind years ago. In that sense, it's no different to debating with the E.D.L. The comparison was light-hearted, not offensive. Lets not get carried away!

That is not what you said. You said these "Hoof fans", which appears to be anyone who disagrees with you, are affiliated to the EDL. That is insulting, and should be retracted.

I have more to say about your post, not least the fact that as usual you are distorting what the so called Hoof Fans (in this case Sothall) actually said, but I am not interested in debating with someone who makes a remark like that and does not apologise.

You are better than that. At least, I thought you were.

 

[Pinchy]

That is not what you said. You said these "Hoof fans", which appears to be anyone who disagrees with you, are affiliated to the EDL. That is insulting, and should be retracted.

I have more to say about your post, not least the fact that as usual you are distorting what the so called Hoof Fans (in this case Sothall) actually said, but I am not interested in debating with someone who makes a remark like that and does not apologise.

You are better than that. At least, I thought you were.

I'm offended that my club [I'm a season ticket and shareholder] is exposing itself to ridicule by appointing Dinosaur Dave to give his outdated, discredited 'advice' on a decision crucial to our future. I'm offended that he has used that position to re-state, in a formal interview, his pre-historic views on the game. He's entitled to those views, but they are shared only in the backyards of a handful of S2 backwoodsmen. I'm offended and ashamed that he purports to express those views in the name of our club. He does not have that right. He speaks for no-one but himself and the happily diminishing number of anti-football supporters who cling to his Stone Age views for dear life.

I'm offended that our CEO promises a new vision, then places that vision in the care of a footballing caveman. I find that disgraceful and insulting.

I want an apology. So should you. So should Sothall Blade. We have a great deal more to worry about than a lighthearted punchline on an internet forum.

 

[Revolution]

I was wrong. You're not better than that.

 

[Darren]

I'm offended that my club [I'm a season ticket and shareholder] is exposing itself to ridicule by appointing Dinosaur Dave to give his outdated, discredited 'advice' on a decision crucial to our future. I'm offended that he has used that position to re-state, in a formal interview, his pre-historic views on the game. He's entitled to those views, but they are shared only in the backyards of a handful of S2 backwoodsmen. I'm offended and ashamed that he purports to express those views in the name of our club. He does not have that right. He speaks for no-one but himself and the happily diminishing number of anti-football supporters who cling to his Stone Age views for dear life.

I'm offended that our CEO promises a new vision, then places that vision in the care of a footballing caveman. I find that disgraceful and insulting.

I want an apology. So should you. So should Sothall Blade. We have a great deal more to worry about than a lighthearted punchline on an internet forum.

Why is it so hard to apologise?

You may not have intended to upset/offend Southall Blade, but you obviously have. We all inadvertantly say things that other people find upsetting and offensive. In such a situation, the decent and mature thing to do is to apologise and move on.

Why not just do it?

 

[Pinchy]

Why is it so hard to apologise?

You may not have intended to upset/offend Southall Blade, but you obviously have. We all inadvertantly say things that other people find upsetting and offensive. In such a situation, the decent and mature thing to do is to apologise and move on.

Why not just do it?

Because there is nothing to apologise for! If I were to do so, it would be merely placatory and gratuitous. Such apologies, I'm sure you would agree, are worthless.

 

[Darren]

Because there is nothing to apologise for! If I were to do so, it would be merely placatory and gratuitous. Such apologies, I'm sure you would agree, are worthless.

You have upset/offended the guy using words which it is reasonable to consider offensive. You may not have meant to be offensive, but, to me, upsetting/offending someone, however inadvertantly, is a matter for regret and the suitable subject of an apology.

Obviously, if you don't feel that you shouldn't apologise. Like Revolution, I thought you bought into that norm of civilized behaviour. Like him, it appears I was wrong.