Anyone else feel embarrassed?

[Houso]

I'm not talking about the club's transfer dealings so far this window. I'm not talking about the hoof that we employ more often than not. I'm not even talking about the home loss to Port Vale.

I'm talking about the way some of our supporters are acting like spoilt kids. The way they whinge and whine about players leaving who they didn't rate anyway.

The way they make the same point over and over again, because they don't know how to make a valid point through anything other than repetition.

Yes we're thin on the ground, and yes it has been disappointing to see various players leave over the past couple of months, but seeing middle aged men act like infants on daily basis makes me cringe.

This isn't even your usual clapper style post to say that all is wonderful. There's no doubt that everything isn't rosy in the Bramall Lane garden, but it's not nearly as bad as some would try so hard to convince us.

/minirantover

 

[lenners]

Not sure who you're talking about or which players but if a point's valid it's worth making time and time again.
It's not going to be any less valid for repitition. It's simply going to be right, time and again.

 

[LSF]

Different site, same bollocks eh Len

 

[Houso]

Not sure who you're talking about or which players but if a point's valid it's worth making time and time again.
It's not going to be any less valid for repitition. It's simply going to be right, time and again.

Not really talking about anyone in particular, and certainly not you Leonard.

And an opinion is most often just that; it's not a fact and it's not any more valid no matter how much an individual tries to make it.

Why is it so important for some to have to convince someone of their bleak view of SUFC? Is it cathartic to share their pain and lessen their individual burden?

It's like the religious nutjobs you get ringing a bell and wearing a sandwich board announcing that the end is nigh. No one listens, they just get annoyed by the way the message is being shared.

 

[LSF]

Whilst i agree in the main with your point Houso, i feel you've fell into the same trap by saying we play 'hoofball' most of the time (your word not mine, oh how I hate that overused, exaggerated description of how we are supposed to play!).

We simply do not hoof it aimlessly the majority of the time, we mix and match to suit the state of the game at any given time.
Why do people close their eyes when we pass the ball and then suddenly open them when we knocked it long (cue a few clever answers)

I despair sometimes....

 

[lenners]

Not really talking about anyone in particular, and certainly not you Leonard.

And an opinion is most often just that; it's not a fact and it's not any more valid no matter how much an individual tries to make it.

Why is it so important for some to have to convince someone of their bleak view of SUFC? Is it cathartic to share their pain and lessen their individual burden?

It's like the religious nutjobs you get ringing a bell and wearing a sandwich board announcing that the end is nigh. No one listens, they just get annoyed by the way the message is being shared.

Yes, but I'm guessing you're on about the likes of Beighton who might repeat the same point and if the culture of United is defeatist, is selling the crown jewels, is underachieving then you can't blame someone for pointing that out and hoping against hope it'll change.
For what it's worth, I really think United need a sprinkling of stardust from somewhere to lift the clouds. The cloying mediocrity is suffocating the club.
Winning a big game, once in three or four generations, would help.

 

[Revolution]

I'm not talking about the club's transfer dealings so far this window. I'm not talking about the hoof that we employ more often than not. I'm not even talking about the home loss to Port Vale.

I'm talking about the way some of our supporters are acting like spoilt kids. The way they whinge and whine about anyone expressing an opinion that in any way criticises or questions SUFC.

The way they mount the same defences over and over again, because they don't know how to respond to a comment which does not praise the club to the heavens with anything other than an assertion that the club is always right and condescension towards anyone who states otherwise.

Yes we've got rid of some dead wood, and yes it has been pleasing to see an attempt to get some width into the team, but seeing middle aged men act like infants on daily basis makes me cringe.

This isn't even your usual knocker style post to say that we are doomed. There's no doubt that everything isn't rotten in the state of Bramall Lane, but it's not nearly as good as some would try so hard to convince us.

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See how easy it is, Houso?

I suggest the next time someone makes a point you don't like, just put your fingers in your ears and say "la la la, can't hear you!"

Well, that or respect that other people might have different views from you and might actually be right on occasion.

 

[beightonblade]

Opinions ................... we all have em.
Its just that mine are reight !

 

[bricktop]

Opinions ................... we all have em.
Its just that mine are reight !

Yes but mine are more right:hello::hello::hello:

:gallop:

 

[Fiery Blade]

I don't believe it's a question of football pleasing to the eye or hoofball but rather the ability of United, especially at home to adapt their football to the situation. Last year against the likes of Wendy, Blackpool, Southampton, Coventry, Doncaster and Forest we could not adapt to the situation even in some games when facing 10 men and continued to go route one when a more subtle passing game approach may have been more effective!

 

[shorehamview]

There are some fans who have very high expectations. Sure, it'd be great to see United riding high in the Prem, signing who we want, rather than who we can afford, and competing for trophies every year. But realistically that won't happen overnight, if ever. Yet there are some United fans who are like mardy kids in the toyshop. They want it all, they want it now, and they won't take "Daddy can't afford the Xbox and the deluxe bike and the PS3 and the plasma screen telly, you'll have to settle for Ludo or Snakes and Ladders" for an answer.

We cut our cloth accordingly, and for those who moan that McCabe should be spending money left right and centre, well, it's his money to spend how he sees fit, and I reckon he's a more successful businessman than the majority of the crowd at the Lane. If you don't like it then buy him out.

Sure, we all have a right to discuss what happens at our club, we pay our money and have the right to express our opinions how who want. But it seems to be indicative of our modern culture that some people will never be satisfied with what they've got. I don't mean that everyone else is grinning like idiots and perfectly happy with the current situation, we may well not be, but we don't throw our teddies out of the pram at the slightest provocation like a few fans do.

 

[Fiery Blade]

There are some fans who have very high expectations. Sure, it'd be great to see United riding high in the Prem, signing who we want, rather than who we can afford, and competing for trophies every year. But realistically that won't happen overnight, if ever. Yet there are some United fans who are like mardy kids in the toyshop. They want it all, they want it now, and they won't take "Daddy can't afford the Xbox and the deluxe bike and the PS3 and the plasma screen telly, you'll have to settle for Ludo or Snakes and Ladders" for an answer.

We cut our cloth accordingly, and for those who moan that McCabe should be spending money left right and centre, well, it's his money to spend how he sees fit, and I reckon he's a more successful businessman than the majority of the crowd at the Lane. If you don't like it then buy him out.

Sure, we all have a right to discuss what happens at our club, we pay our money and have the right to express our opinions how who want. But it seems to be indicative of our modern culture that some people will never be satisfied with what they've got. I don't mean that everyone else is grinning like idiots and perfectly happy with the current situation, we may well not be, but we don't throw our teddies out of the pram at the slightest provocation like a few fans do.

Agree with most of your view Shorehamview, but I would like to believe that I am a supporter of the club with some opinions and do not have to shout from the rooftops praising Blackwell because we have won 2 drawn 2 of our first four league games. Having supported the Blades for nigh on 50 years I have seen the highs and the lows unfortunately the highs amount to a few years in the top division, five or six semi finals and three play off finals which compared to some clubs Rotherham, Chesterfield, Barnsley etc is fantastic but against the likes of Everton, Tottenham, Wet Sham, Aston Villa, Blackburn etc is very poor. I have not even dared to include the likes of Man Ure, Chelsea and Arsenal. We are a big club from a big city and yet our football clubs are second rate.With the set up at BDTBL, the academy, the ground, the support etc surely we are better placed than many Premier League clubs to perform at the highest level.

 

[Houso]

See how easy it is, Houso?

I suggest the next time someone makes a point you don't like, just put your fingers in your ears and say "la la la, can't hear you!"

Well, that or respect that other people might have different views from you and might actually be right on occasion.

Interesting. It's like you entirely missed the view that I was expressing. Nevermind.

 

[lenners]

Shorehamview, I think your post and others like it which point out that the frustration at United is some kind of modern culture affliction are missing the point.
When you have a club that's spectacularly underachieved for generations, the frustration's reasonable.
The list of teams who've achieved more has been repeated many times and if the mantra is look at Leeds, look at Watford, look at Charlton, Forest, Wednesday etc, etc you're actually contributing to the culture of mediocrity that permeates the club.
You're saying things could be worse as of today, which obviously they could. But actually that's the short term view and that's the defeatist view. The reality is that all those clubs have achieved more in the last generation.
Saying things could and should be better is not only the inescapable truth but it's actually the positive view - a view that believes United could and should be better than mediocre.

 

[shorehamview]

Shorehamview, I think your post and others like it which point out that the frustration at United is some kind of modern culture affliction are missing the point.
When you have a club that's spectacularly underachieved for generations, the frustration's reasonable.......................

If we've underachieved for generations then surely we have just been achieving our level? Maybe considering the past thirty years we have been over-achieving?

Saying things could and should be better is not only the inescapable truth but it's actually the positive view - a view that believes United could and should be better than mediocre.

I do want United to be up there competing with the best, but I don't launch my teddy out of the pram when we don't, which surely was the point of the first post. Saying things could be better is true, but so is saying things could be worse. It's speculation, and so each point is equally inescapably true. It's true we could be better, it's true we could be worse.

I do get frustrated that we don't always win, but that's the nature of the beast.

 

[lenners]

But if you think we've been overachieving where does that put Bolton, Wigan, Stoke, Portsmouth, West Brom, Middlesbrough to name just a very small handful?
It's an argument you can't win because United have underachieved on every reasonable measure for years.
And I've never seen anyone who thinks United should win every game or should be challenging Man Utd.
But I do think we should have been doing as well as the teams above or countless others and that is undeniable.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

United have underachieved on every reasonable measure for years.

How do you measure what we SHOULD have achieved over the last x number of years ?

 

[shorehamview]

But I do think we should have been doing as well as the teams above or countless others and that is undeniable.

It certainly is undeniable, for who am I to deny what you think? But equally who are you to deny me my opinion? My opinion is that we are probably at the level we deserve to be. If we had played better, and had more victories then we would be at a higher level, and deservedly so. So it's my opinion that we are where we are for good reasons.

Sure, I'd love it if we were higher. But we're not.

 

[Big Mart]

Having supported the Blades for nigh on 50 years I have seen the highs and the lows unfortunately the highs amount to a few years in the top division, five or six semi finals and three play off finals which compared to some clubs Rotherham, Chesterfield, Barnsley etc is fantastic but against the likes of Everton, Tottenham, Wet Sham, Aston Villa, Blackburn etc is very poor. I have not even dared to include the likes of Man Ure, Chelsea and Arsenal. We are a big club from a big city and yet our football clubs are second rate.With the set up at BDTBL, the academy, the ground, the support etc surely we are better placed than many Premier League clubs to perform at the highest level.

Spot on. We should be measuring ourselves against the likes of Villa, Everton, Tottenham etc. who are certianly no bigger than us. That isn't over reaching, and it shouldn't be as hard as we make it appear, to compete with those clubs. Instead, and pretty much as Len says, there's always the fear that should we dare to invest too heavily, be a tad too pro-active we'll end up in the same boat as the scum, Leeds, Watford and so on.

We supposedly have one of the best chairmen in the league, and one who it's fair to say has a quid or two, so to that end yes we do get frustrated when we don't sign players, we sell our best, and we really don't give the impression that we either want or are geared up to sustaining success.

What a strange way to run a business but hey ho, the fans who criticise are nowt but "mardy", the blind followers are the "real fans who have vision". Yeah, whatever :loopy::emmy::loopy:

:gallop:

 

[judge]

most of the people moaning now ,moaned all the way through the preimership
all the way through pomotion and i would assume for most of their blades supporting lives before that

im afraid its a big thing in sheffield ,anyone who has family where one side are not from sheffield cant have failed to notice it

its not a blades thing ,its not a happy clapper vs knocker thing

its just a moaning yorkshireman thing

some people are only happy when they are unhappy

 

[raul]

:easy::nono::nono::nono::cry2:I've just got a paper cut and it smarts.

 

[oldblade]

There are some fans who have very high expectations. Sure, it'd be great to see United riding high in the Prem, signing who we want, rather than who we can afford, and competing for trophies every year. But realistically that won't happen overnight, if ever. Yet there are some United fans who are like mardy kids in the toyshop. They want it all, they want it now, and they won't take "Daddy can't afford the Xbox and the deluxe bike and the PS3 and the plasma screen telly, you'll have to settle for Ludo or Snakes and Ladders" for an answer.

We cut our cloth accordingly, and for those who moan that McCabe should be spending money left right and centre, well, it's his money to spend how he sees fit, and I reckon he's a more successful businessman than the majority of the crowd at the Lane. If you don't like it then buy him out.

Sure, we all have a right to discuss what happens at our club, we pay our money and have the right to express our opinions how who want. But it seems to be indicative of our modern culture that some people will never be satisfied with what they've got. I don't mean that everyone else is grinning like idiots and perfectly happy with the current situation, we may well not be, but we don't throw our teddies out of the pram at the slightest provocation like a few fans do.

I agree with that. If it was not for the McCabes of this world, Sheffield United and many other football league clubs would have ceased trading years ago.

 

[Big Mart]

Different site, same bollocks eh Len

Are quotes like this and "piss off to Swillsborough" classed as "reasoned debate"?

:gallop:

 

[Big Mart]

I've just got a paper cut and it smarts.

Get well soon Uncy, of course I'm rocks and laugh at paper cuts but I know those cake baking little hands of yours must be pretty sensitive to a ream of A4 :hello:

:gallop:

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Spot on. We should be measuring ourselves against the likes of Villa, Everton, Tottenham etc. who are certianly no bigger than us.

Aside from the fact that they've all won european trophies in the last thirty years you mean....

Those three clubs are all bigger than us, of that there is no doubt.

 

[raul]

Get well soon Uncy, of course I'm rocks and laugh at paper cuts but I know those cake baking little hands of yours must be pretty sensitive to a ream of A4 :hello:

:gallop:

Linz, can you tell him off again please:bummer::nana::hug:

 

[raul]

Aside from the fact that they've all won european trophies in the last thirty years you mean....

Those three clubs are all bigger than us, of that there is no doubt.

Agree, but then look at the bottom half of the Prem and there's very little we don't as a club match up against. Indeed the Chairman still says the ambition is to be a top 10 club, but we need to establish ourselves as one of the top 20 first.

 

[lenners]

How do you measure what we SHOULD have achieved over the last x number of years ?

More top flight football, winning a semi-final or play-off final, playing in Europe - all these should have been and should be within our range.
Years range? Dunno, could go post-war, since the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, this decade? Take your pick, the answer's the same.
I won't list all the teams that have achieved the above - mebbes Darren could fill in here - but United's efforts are woefully short for a club in one of the country's biggest cities with a top flight support base.

 

[Revolution]

Interesting. It's like you entirely missed the view that I was expressing. Nevermind.

Like I said, condescending. I might also have said partonising.

I think I understood your point. Some posters make the same point over and over again. A fair point. But you go on to connect this behaviour only to those who are apt to find fault with the club. That's a very one eyed way of looking at things.

 

[little di]

Those three clubs are all bigger than us, of that there is no doubt.

But why? Are they bigger cities, bigger stadiums, bigger fan base? Why are they situated firmly in the premiership and we're not?