Anticipation

[Nedski]

An important quality that few of our players have.

The amount of times that Burrows and Brooks in particular were stood flat footed and ball watching was ridiculous.

The players that have never been "coached" (I use that term loosely as it wasn't a Wilder thing) by us played with anticipation, urgency and professionalism.

We've needed a complete overhaul for years and it won't come overnight, but I'm worried that if Selles is either blind to the problems or too stubborn to change them, we'll end up back with Wilder and back to square one.

 

[alcoblade]

An important quality that few of our players have.

The amount of times that Burrows and Brooks in particular were stood flat footed and ball watching was ridiculous.

The players that have never been "coached" (I use that term loosely as it wasn't a Wilder thing) by us played with anticipation, urgency and professionalism.

We've needed a complete overhaul for years and it won't come overnight, but I'm worried that if Selles is either blind to the problems or too stubborn to change them, we'll end up back with Wilder and back to square one.

It feels like a HUGE stretch to imagine that Selles is just undertaking an overhaul of problems created by Wilder.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

 

[Bladesman]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

True but it's not wrong to say the owners may have made the wrong choice with Selles.

 

[LondonRoad]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

So what I think you're saying here is that a successful manager is to blame for this current shit show?

 

[Champagneblade]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

I’d say worrying about a managers ability to keep us up is such a distant consideration!

We haven’t gone up and stayed up since the early 90s. We need to get real.

Being a yo-yo team between Champ and Prem is fine, unless we get better backers.

Some were not happy with that and wanted us to pull the trigger. And now here’s where we are…

 

[Working Class Hero]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

Sounds like you're saying Wilder overachieved with this squad even more than we thought, and we probably shouldn't have sacked him.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Wilder excelled at picking systems where 11 average players can play together as a good team, but when he goes you are left with that. A squad full of average players. Cooper, Hamer (when he can be arsed), and O'Hare (when used correctly), were the only true quality we had last season. The rest blew hot and cold and were inconsistent all season.

Arguably Wilder is capable of getting us out of this division but he'd never keep us up as we wouldn't be capable of wearing out and grinding down teams through brawn and effort when up against squads who have individual players worth more than our whole team. You need quality, not effort to stay up and compete in the Premier League. His one dimensional predictable tactics would never work and he showed repeatedly that he had no plan B when his tactics failed. So there was no point keeping him as he never has been and never will be a Premier League manager.

Add to this his atrocious record when given money to spend which has resulted in the messy imbalanced squad that Selles has inherited.

So we just need to hire a PL manager, what world do you live in.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Selles can’t even solve the problems created by Selles - never mind anyone else.

I just don’t think he’s a very good manager.

You could give a 1000 other managers the same players and the wouldn’t have lost every game.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

There's also short term memory of forgetting how poor we played for most of last season despite winning. Right back was a problem position all season until Choudhury stepped in there. Robinson was crap all season. Peck was good one game, positionally poor and a headless chicken for the next 2-3 and consistently gave away the ball time and time again. We had no left wingers. Brooks was a good impact sub but poor when he started whilst Rak-Sayki was a one trick pony with a trick that didn't work. Campbell could only last 60 minutes and then we had no one else other that a lumbering immobile donkey in Moore. Brewster ran around a lot but did nothing of serious note. Burrows started brilliantly but fizzled out as the season went on but came alive again in the play offs. "Star player" Hamer gave away the ball consistently trying the Hollywood pass instead of simple passes and was also blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes.

Let's not pretend we were superb last season because we weren't. The points earned and league position were a distraction for a team that were outplayed in 80% of matches, where the above problems were there to been seen but fans ignored this because "winning is more important." This mess was inevitable no matter who was in charge. Maybe not as bad as things currently stand. But if anyone thinks we didn't have problems last season then they're in denial.

I'm not saying Selles is the right man, but some of the problems he inherited stemmed from last season's papering over cracks and it's incredible how selective fans minds can be when looking back over last season because "92 points" is the answer to everything. It's like the amplifier scene from Spinal Tap.

"We were poor in 80% of games last season and ground out undeserved results."
"Yeah. But this one goes to 11!"

 

[chesblade]

Would rather have the result and play poor than getting nothing at all

 

[programmechap]

It feels like a HUGE stretch to imagine that Selles is just undertaking an overhaul of problems created by Wilder.

Yes, that awful manager who won 92 points last season. Clearly change was badly needed...

 

[robbiez666]

An important quality that few of our players have.

The amount of times that Burrows and Brooks in particular were stood flat footed and ball watching was ridiculous.

The players that have never been "coached" (I use that term loosely as it wasn't a Wilder thing) by us played with anticipation, urgency and professionalism.

We've needed a complete overhaul for years and it won't come overnight, but I'm worried that if Selles is either blind to the problems or too stubborn to change them, we'll end up back with Wilder and back to square one.

The players have generally been static for 3 seasons. No fucker makes runs.

 

[Nedski]

The players have generally been static for 3 seasons. No fucker makes runs.

Exactly, all of a sudden a coach comes in expecting them to act, eat and play like highly paid professionals and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

There's also short term memory of forgetting how poor we played for most of last season despite winning. Right back was a problem position all season until Choudhury stepped in there. Robinson was crap all season. Peck was good one game, positionally poor and a headless chicken for the next 2-3 and consistently gave away the ball time and time again. We had no left wingers. Brooks was a good impact sub but poor when he started whilst Rak-Sayki was a one trick pony with a trick that didn't work. Campbell could only last 60 minutes and then we had no one else other that a lumbering immobile donkey in Moore. Brewster ran around a lot but did nothing of serious note. Burrows started brilliantly but fizzled out as the season went on but came alive again in the play offs. "Star player" Hamer gave away the ball consistently trying the Hollywood pass instead of simple passes and was also blowing out of his arse after 60 minutes.

Let's not pretend we were superb last season because we weren't. The points earned and league position were a distraction for a team that were outplayed in 80% of matches, where the above problems were there to been seen but fans ignored this because "winning is more important." This mess was inevitable no matter who was in charge. Maybe not as bad as things currently stand. But if anyone thinks we didn't have problems last season then they're in denial.

I'm not saying Selles is the right man, but some of the problems he inherited stemmed from last season's papering over cracks and it's incredible how selective fans minds can be when looking back over last season because "92 points" is the answer to everything. It's like the amplifier scene from Spinal Tap.

"We were poor in 80% of games last season and ground out undeserved results."
"Yeah. But this one goes to 11!"

We weren’t brilliant for a lot of last season. But the quality we had shone through - it’s no longer doing that. Selles can’t get a tune out of good players

genuinely a team containing Hamer, O’hare, Barry, Campbell, Burrows, Cooper and Peck shouldn’t be sat on zero points. You add in tanganga and Godfrey and the finger has to point somewhere - Selles and his tactics/ understand and approach are the reason for this start.

We are:
Unable to score
Unable to create
Unable to string any passes together
Unable to keep a clean sheet
In a position Where EVERY Single player has regressed.

We are less competitive that a Wednesday side that has about 2 players FFS.

You add on to this that there is not even any shoots of recovery or improvement. I don’t see how we can possibly keep him.