An objective view on the controversial appointment of Danny Wilson

[Highbury_Blade]

1 and a half with MK dons, and as has been pointed out, the 1st season would have ended in relegation if wrexham hadn't been docked points.

Amended my signature to be more accurate.

 

[sothall blade]

this appointment reminds me of the harry redknapp situation a few years ago,he left portsmouth went to southampton they got relegated, then he went back to portsmouth then won the FA cup,for me DW has got wendy all but relegated and dingles relegated, surely he due for some success

 

[super_pig]

heh.. i agree with this.. mccabes scattergun approach will pay off at some point.. and he'll be on saying how he's a fucking genius

 

[Bladesway]

Adams failed big time. He had to go. His record is the worst in the history of SUFC. I cannot understand this 'why sack him and bring in Wilson'. Wilson will bring in fresh idea, hopefully give the players a lift and has time to stamp his authority on the club and try and build something. One thing that I have preferred from Wilson over Adams is that his teams play football. Adams looked out of his depth and had to go. Maybe Wilson will be out of his depth. However we needed to freshen things up.

Like I said, perhaps this is an opportunity missed. Personally I just don't know how to feel. I am not devestated, nor am I excited. I feel a little underwhelmed, ut maybe he is the man to turn the club around. We'll see. I am behind him and I shall be watching intently to see how he goes about building his squad for next season.

I would have brought fresh ideas. Its not a reason to appoint me (although I am shit hot on Football Manager). Adams failed big time you say. Well when CID are looking for a new head of department drop me your email address and I think you will be a shoe in. But you don't fire the bloke and replace him with someone who doesn't on paper appear any better. Well not when you have other better options out there. McCabe blethers on about how the fans don't understand how football managers are appointed. No fucking way Kev, we don't for one minute understand your selection criteria. Bin off a manager who is shit and pay him off, then replace him with..............Oh hang on a sec, someone who is shit and has a dubious past at S6. That should help sort season ticket sales out.

OK, Wilsons teams play football. Well they did back in the 90's when he was at Barnsley. Wasn't he getting the pigs to play nice football when Newcastle humped them seven or was that someone else? Nice football is all good and proper but when the end result is failure then it doesn't really matter if you lost every game 6-5, you still lost.

This was just another chance to get the right man pissed up the wall as I see it. But it isn't the first and by Christmas there will be another poor bastard sat in the hotseat and we will be paying wages to Danny Wilson for another 2 1/2 years while he sits out of work laughing at us.

 

[Ollessendro]

1 and a half with MK dons, and as has been pointed out, the 1st season would have ended in relegation if wrexham hadn't been docked points.

Amended my signature to be more accurate.

It is still misleading Highbury. If Wilson had have taken tht MK Dons team down the first year (whe they were saved by Wrexhams points deduction) then he would not have got them relegated the following year. Hence I think it is misleading to state that. Also 11 seasons is technically correct, but only 7 of those have been full seasons. Again, you bend the truth.

If you are going to post about maybes, then perhas you could put that his teams (Bristol ad Swindon) both finished 3rd, losing out on the final day and then went off finals?

I would have brought fresh ideas. Its not a reason to appoint me (although I am shit hot on Football Manager). Adams failed big time you say. Well when CID are looking for a new head of department drop me your email address and I think you will be a shoe in. But you don't fire the bloke and replace him with someone who doesn't on paper appear any better. Well not when you have other better options out there. McCabe blethers on about how the fans don't understand how football managers are appointed. No fucking way Kev, we don't for one minute understand your selection criteria. Bin off a manager who is shit and pay him off, then replace him with..............Oh hang on a sec, someone who is shit and has a dubious past at S6. That should help sort season ticket sales out.

OK, Wilsons teams play football. Well they did back in the 90's when he was at Barnsley. Wasn't he getting the pigs to play nice football when Newcastle humped them seven or was that someone else? Nice football is all good and proper but when the end result is failure then it doesn't really matter if you lost every game 6-5, you still lost.

This was just another chance to get the right man pissed up the wall as I see it. But it isn't the first and by Christmas there will be another poor bastard sat in the hotseat and we will be paying wages to Danny Wilson for another 2 1/2 years while he sits out of work laughing at us.

Did you read the title of the thread? I am not defending the appointment of Wilson, but lerley looking to give an objectionist view. There is lot of bullshit out there and hence I wanted to give some facts. Still, you feel the need to attack the king of comedy.

Bristol and Swindon both played good football and narrozly missed out on success. I cannot speak about MK Dons and Hartlepool though.

Perhaps your last point is right. Maybe it is a assive opportuty missed. I posted that already. But what about if Wilson gets it right? What about if he strikes up a great reationship with Pembo and turns things around. If he builds a team, uses youth, changes the style and gets us up the leagues again. What about if he leaves us in a position for Pembo to take over (i.e. after shozing him the ropes) to really go places. I personally think there is more chnce of seeing this under Danny Wilson than we had under Adams. But do not get me wrong, McCabe has taken a big risk. He has played with fire and he could get burt. I think this will go one of two wats. Really well or specatuclarly bad. Time will tell.

 

[SwissBlade]

So the dust begins to settle and it seems that a lot of people have accepted this one.

I have sat back over the weekend and laid off posting, because I was asked politely by another member on here to give it a rest. I've still been reading though, so I'm perhaps a little calmer and more reflective.

I'd like to give a little response to things I have listened to and read.

- McCabe has told us that us Fans don't know what we're talking about - To an extent I can see his point, we're not privy to the selection process and the exact requirements. But we're not daft. We can see that DW and Micky have a similar record and seeing as Micky was sacked, what makes McCabe think that we'll get a
-
McCabe has admitted previous mistakes - He contradicts himself on the above. He implies a better sense of judgement of what is required. He's worked in football much longer than the rest of us and has admitted making mistakes with ALL of his managers. So for him to arrogantly dismiss the concerns of (some) fans, I just think its wrong. He wanted fans involved in the club, so why not set up some sort of consultancy with the fans prior to this appointment. Even if it was just to get a viewpoint. It took long enough to appoint DW so why not make use of this time.

- DW's here now, so lets give him a chance - I have always given managers a chance, even Robson (despite my better judgement), but frankly alarm bells sounded on DW, enough is enough, apparently Micky was a poor choice and had to go, so why replace him with a guy with a similar record.

- DW speaks well - So does the Queen. It means nothing to his managerial abilities, but I'm sure will work wonders for punditry

- He gets his sides playing football - So did Robson (apparently), Although their is a campaign from many on here to play passing football, the priority has to be effective football. IF we can get the players to combine the two, then that's great, but from what I've seen of DW in the past, it may be pretty, but its not very often effective.

- He'll bring the youngsters through - Well I guess he'll have little choice. Gone are the days of farming our good youngsters out to our local rivals - Barnsley, Chesterfield, Rotherham, Donny. Gone are the days of buying cheap young players from the lower leagues. We're one of these teams now. So if we can't afford to buy (which it seems we can't) then we have to use the resource where we've ploughed the cash in - The Academy.

- So what if DW succeeds, well for me this is the point. No manager will guarantee success. But you can set your targets in a number of ways - Do you go cheap and get the best man for the budget, or do you get the best man? Its one only McCabe and the accountants can answer, but its one that McCabe has answered and I think its a gamble too far when this was THE moment to make a fresh start.

In many ways DW is in a no lose situation. He has McCabes entire support, McCabe has gone into the trenches for him on day 1, so I'm sure he'll be damned if he's going to be made to look stupid and allowing DW to fail.

The managerial appointment needed to be the watershed moment where we finally looked at the mistakes (if that's what they were) of the past and made a real appointment with a record of promotion and playing football.

This is all I want to say on the managerial appointment, i'm not prepared to give him a chance because I don't believe its the right appointment, but I have no choice now. I'm a Blade, I will support the team, but I can't give any support to a manager that I am so vehemently opposed to.

From now on I will try to keep my opinions of the football team as objective as possible and not let my views of the manager obstruct this view.

Good luck to the team, lets hope I get proved wrong and people like Pinchy can ram it down my throat in two seasons when we get promoted to the PL. And further ram it back down my throat in the PL the season after.

But I will end my contribution on this. If DW is so effective at this level and the one above through playing pretty/ exciting football, then I expect automatic promotion from him in both this division and the Championship. Norwich are our template.

DW's only thing to remember is not to stare at McCabe when/ if it all goes wrong for him...

 

[Bladesway]

Did you read the title of the thread? I am not defending the appointment of Wilson, but lerley looking to give an objectionist view. There is lot of bullshit out there and hence I wanted to give some facts. Still, you feel the need to attack the king of comedy.

Bristol and Swindon both played good football and narrozly missed out on success. I cannot speak about MK Dons and Hartlepool though.

Perhaps your last point is right. Maybe it is a assive opportuty missed. I posted that already. But what about if Wilson gets it right? What about if he strikes up a great reationship with Pembo and turns things around. If he builds a team, uses youth, changes the style and gets us up the leagues again. What about if he leaves us in a position for Pembo to take over (i.e. after shozing him the ropes) to really go places. I personally think there is more chnce of seeing this under Danny Wilson than we had under Adams. But do not get me wrong, McCabe has taken a big risk. He has played with fire and he could get burt. I think this will go one of two wats. Really well or specatuclarly bad. Time will tell.

Olle. I assume the fact you post with "humour" you also take with the same. Head out of arse and have a look around. The comment about CID wasn't entirely serious my friend, neither was the KOC jibe. Don't phone in, its just for fun. We disagree on some stuff and agree on others. It's no bigger than that.

You still never answered them appointing me though

 

[Ollessendro]

Olle. I assume the fact you post with "humour" you also take with the same. Head out of arse and have a look around. The comment about CID wasn't entirely serious my friend, neither was the KOC jibe. Don't phone in, its just for fun. We disagree on some stuff and agree on others. It's no bigger than that.

You still never answered them appointing me though

dunt worry mucker. Us satirists do not take offence easy. I of all people should know when comments are tongue in cheek. You think Wilson is shite and I think he is slightly less shite I am sure we both agree to get behind him and the team.

Not sure what KOC is. As for the job. Well get your CV written out and on standby, for when Wilson is sacked in December!?

 

[Trigger Blade]

dunt worry mucker. Us satirists do not take offence easy. I of all people should know when comments are tongue in cheek. You think Wilson is shite and I think he is slightly less shite I am sure we both agree to get behind him and the team.

Not sure what KOC is. As for the job. Well get your CV written out and on standby, for when Wilson is sacked in December!?

KOC Olle? It's King Of Comedy, it's you!

As you say, I'm sure you can spot a TIC comment when you see one.

 

[Worksop II]

I have sat back over the weekend and laid off posting

I thought you were down the FIFA Car Park giving Blatter some ......

 

[Ollessendro]

KOC Olle? It's King Of Comedy, it's you!

As you say, I'm sure you can spot a TIC comment when you see one.

Thanks for clearing that up Trig mi owd mucker. I hope you are not missing Len too much! Do not worry though, the KOC is still here for you

 

[Bladesway]

dunt worry mucker. Us satirists do not take offence easy. I of all people should know when comments are tongue in cheek. You think Wilson is shite and I think he is slightly less shite I am sure we both agree to get behind him and the team.

Not sure what KOC is. As for the job. Well get your CV written out and on standby, for when Wilson is sacked in December!?

They couldn't afford me. Apparently taking Doncaster Rovers to 4 consecutive Champions League wins doesn't cut it with Superblade.

In fairness it is time to get behind the team once more, take a big sigh and get on with it. I don't have issue with Wilson but I do have issue with the wanker who dangled bigger fish in front of us, told us we had 50 applicants to choose from and came up with DW as his best bet. A chat with SuperBlade usually makes you feel like you have had your back door stoved in by a barbed wire dildo using sand and powdered glass for lube.

 

[raul]

Thanks for clearing that up Trig mi owd mucker. I hope you are not missing Len too much! Do not worry though, the KOC is still here for you

Whilst the shoutbox is on an anagram tip.....good effort Ollie.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Wilson would have to be miracle worker to turn this around before the fans turn on him.
He isn't, so the whole venture is likely to be a catastrophe.
It seems he's the best we could get for the price, and his ego overcame his sensibilities - same as Micky Adams.
Still he has the three year contract to fall back on if it doesn't work out.
I'm worried McCabe is showing himself more and more to be the out-of-touch business man who still thinks he is a pioneering can't-possibly-fail entrepreneurial type.

 

[Bladesway]

I'm worried McCabe is showing himself more and more to be the out-of-touch business man who still thinks he is a pioneering can't-possibly-fail entrepreneurial type.

Got it in one! Wasn't it McCabe who appointed Heath by the way?

 

[blade too long]

Sometimes , what seems an obscure , strange ,contentious decision turns out to be a good bit of lateral thinking

Peterborough had Ferguson , he improves himself goes to PNE, fails goes back to posh and they swop leagues

Ive learnt one thing in 50 years of watching football , expect the unexpected, top 4 clubs apart

Hes entrenched as manager now Wilson, so providing he works hard and shows hes up to it , I,ll back him
If he fails to motivate the team , and ergo me , Ill not

But as of this moment hes got on a suit and an sufc tie on and sat in the south stand planning our escape from div 1 , at the right end
got no choice but to will him on to better things

 

[Trigger Blade]

Sometimes , what seems an obscure , strange ,contentious decision turns out to be a good bit of lateral thinking

Peterborough had Ferguson , he improves himself goes to PNE, fails goes back to posh and they swop leagues

Ive learnt one thing in 50 years of watching football , expect the unexpected, top 4 clubs apart

Hes entrenched as manager now Wilson, so providing he works hard and shows hes up to it , I,ll back him
If he fails to motivate the team , and ergo me , Ill not

But as of this moment hes got on a suit and an sufc tie on and sat in the south stand planning our escape from div 1 , at the right end
got no choice but to will him on to better things

The Ferguson/Peterborough story wasn't quite like that as I recall and it might have some relevance for us. He took Posh up two divisions in consecutive seasons, an amazing achievement, but not good enough for his chairman. Because they were bottom of the Championship by November, their chairman sacked him. He only went to Preston because he was out of work. When they sacked him, his previous chairman had obviously realised in the meantime what he'd lost and took him back and as you say, promotion followed.

I bet the Preston fans thought they were getting a good manager, but he failed and I bet the Posh chairman thought that Ferguson's replacement would do a better job, but three managers later (Mark Cooper, Jim Gannon and Gary Johnson), he was glad to get Ferguson back.

All this shows that McCabe doesn't have a monopoly on cock-ups and a manager might succeed, or he might fail. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a McCabe cock-up and that we'll get the Barnsley Danny Wilson, not the Hartlepool one

 

[paulono1]

So it looks set to be Wilson, with Morgan appointed as player coach. A very controversial decision by McCabe. I am going to try and paint an impartial picture of the appointment. I can see both positives and negatives to this appointment and hence I want to put a balanced view across (if possible).

This is a big call from McCabe. He really is playing with fire. Will he get burnt. This decision will spilt the fans and could have disasterous consequences. Though on the other hand the experienced manager could be the man to styop the rot and turn the Blades around. He has built good teams at Barnsley and Swindon and played good football. Maybe he is the man to turn United around, build a good team and get them playing football?

His record:

There’s a lot of people saying Wilson is a shite/average/poor manager and hence I thought I would look at his record. Many people are misquoting his record and simply getting things factually inaccurate. Many critics are simply bending the truth to justify their argument.

Barnsley: after a few seasons he took Barnsley to the top flight. He got them ‘playing like Brazil’ and took them to their best ever position. He took them to the quarters of the FA cup, won at Anfield but they got relegated. Left to go to Wednesday.

Verdict: massive success.

Wednesday: took over Wednesday and had a disappointing reign. Wednesday seemed to be on the decline, but Wilson made poor signings. He paid poor players big money and seemed to contribute to their decline. He was sacked.

Verdict: failure

Bristol City: Took over in 2000 and served out a 4 year contract. He spent some cash and did not get them promoted. He took them into the play offs twice during that period, losing in the semi’s and in the final. His contracted was not renewed after Bristol lost in the play off final to Brighton.

Verdict: Supporters of him would argue that he was unlucky, but critics would say that he failed. Let’s go half way and say average (though I think this might be harsh).

MK Dons: took over a sinking ship and managed to save them from relegation to League two. However the season after he took them down and got sacked.

Verdict: Failure

Hartlepool: Wilson took over during the summer and presided over a relegation. He then took Hartlepool back up to League One as runners up. He left the following season to join Swindon.

Verdict: mixed/average

Swindon: Took over in December 2008 when Swindon looked set for relegation. He saved them from relegation and looked to build a team. He then took them to within a whisker of automatic promotion (losing out on the last day to Leeds) and then lost in the play off final to Milwall. They were pretty unlucky. Wilson then lost several of his best players and they plummeted the next season. He quit late in the season and they went on to get relegated.

Verdict: average?(/unlucky/Poor)

Overall: it seems Wilson has had a fairly average career. After starting promisingly at Barnsley he has neither lit up the world, nor disgraced himself. The critics would say that he has done nothing since Barnsley and has several relegations. Supporters of hi would say that he did brilliant at Barnsley, built teams at Bristol and Swindon and plays decent football. His play off record is not great and this could be seen as bad luck or poor depending on your view.

Positives

Style: Wilsons teams play good football. He has a good footballing philosophy and his teams usually play football on the deck.

Experience: He is very experienced and could be a good candidate to work with Pembo. He has a good record of building teams and could be the person to work with Pembo and bring the kids through. He knows the lower leagues and could be the person to build a squad.

Relationship with Morgs: Morgan is a pillar of the club and captain fantastic. He has a good relationship with Wilson from his Barnsley days (Morgs was in the promotion squad) and they could achieve success together. Morgs will be player coach and perhaps together they can inspire the team.

Negatives

Ex Wednesday manager: this is MASSIVE. I am sat at home listening to Radio Sheffield and also reading the forum and there is a lot of ill feeling towards this decision. It could really split United fans or even United fans against the club. It is a very controversial decision and McCabe is playing with fire.
Wilson will need to start well. Some may never support him, even if we do well. Will fans have patience for Wilson to build a team? I doubt it.

A manager on the decline? Taking a harsh, cold look at things Wilson has not achieved much since Barnsley. He is a little bit of a journey man and what confidence should we have he can turn United around.

Missed opportunity? Many United fans have talked about a massive opportunity to turn the club around. A new, young manager with fresh ideas and a new philosophy. Someone to clear out the trash, bring through the youth, build a squad and take us back up. A new man with fresh ideas who can change the philosophy and get us playing attacking, exciting football (on the deck). Is Wilson this man? Only time will tell (but many will think no).

Ollessendro’s thoughts

This is a massive call from McCabe. A very controversial decision and he is playing with fire, I hope he knows what he is doing. After making many poor decisions, one as controversial as this may not be wise. The fans will be split or united against the manager and some may never give him a chance.

Wilson simply has to start well. Some may never support him and fans will quickly get on his back if we do not do well straight away. Personally I think it will take the new manager a season or two to build a squad good enough to get promoted and I doubt that United fans will give him time. If we are 10th at Christmas (not a bad achievement imo) I think fans will be calling for his head.

I am disappointed with McCabe (again). He said he would listen to the fans and unite us. Instead he has appointed (probably) the most unpopular candidate. After lots of poor decisions, this could be the final nail in the coffin. The final insult to the fans.

I am torn on this. I see both sides of the argument (I am an economist after all). Is this an opportunity missed? Or could Wilson stop the rot, (finally) get us playing decent football and take us back up to where we belong. I fear for the future of the club, when I should be looking forward to a new start. I worry about the atmosphere and the support when I should be excited about a new dawn and new era for Sheffield United. Will this be a stroke a genius from McCabe or (another) absolute disaster?? Only time will tell …..

Up the Blades. Ollessendro.

Sorry Cannot agree.

Being a Swindon Supporter we were not unlucky to miss out on the automatic promotion...we were looking certainties until Wilson started playing around with the team( stupid substitutions playing players out of position dropping players).. we went on a poor run in the last 12 odd games then performed poorly in the Final

Yes Paynter and Greer went but We had a replacement for Greer in Cuthbert , Paynter was not replaced...his replacements , Pericard / Dossevi / Rose / Prutton / Sheehan were all rubbish .. 2 quality signings Caddis and Ferry ( signed by the owner) were not played . He lost the dressing room through his pandering to Charlie Austin ....He was sacked when Andrew Fitton had enough of his constant blaming of the ref / weather / tiredness / wrong type of grass...

 

[FirthParkBlade]

Yes Paynter and Greer went but We had a replacement for Greer in Cuthbert , Paynter was not replaced...his replacements , Pericard / Dossevi / Rose / Prutton / Sheehan were all rubbish .. 2 quality signings Caddis and Ferry ( signed by the owner) were not played . He lost the dressing room through his pandering to Charlie Austin ....He was sacked when Andrew Fitton had enough of his constant blaming of the ref / weather / tiredness / wrong type of grass...

We got another Warnock in charge then?