All out attack or ten behind the ball, a loss is a loss.

[ekke287]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

What felt worse to you, the 8 we shipped v Newcastle or the 2 today? How do you think team confidence might be affected by a mullering?

 

[Houston_Blade]

What felt worse to you, the 8 we shipped v Newcastle or the 2 today? How do you think team confidence might be affected by a mullering?

Erm, we ‘played well’ for 23 mins against Newcastle at least and we only lost because the ref doesn’t like Sheffield or summat

I’m with you though, the 2 games ending five nil and the eight nil are what people remember and comment on. No one will remember us losing 2 nil against Man City by this time next season.

 

[ekke287]

What felt worse to you, the 8 we shipped v Newcastle or the 2 today? How do you think team confidence might be affected by a mullering?

Tbh they felt the same to an extent, just another game lost. The Newcastle game we had a go, and we’re still keeping within GD touching difference so yes I take your point that was probably worse.

To the point of team belief however is still chopping and changing, weren’t there five today?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Tbh they felt the same to an extent, just another game lost. The Newcastle game we had a go, and we’re still keeping within GD touching difference so yes I take your point that was probably worse.

To the point of team belief however is still chopping and changing, weren’t there five today?

Yes, but mostly forced through suspensions, injury & MacAtee.

 

[Gavlar]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

I’d rather we lose 2-0 than 8-0. I’m not sure there is a coach in history that could have come up with a way we could have got anything out of the game today.

 

[Frank the tank]

How exactly are we going to have a go when we can't string two passes together ?

 

[ekke287]

I’d rather we lose 2-0 than 8-0. I’m not sure there is a coach in history that could have come up with a way we could have got anything out of the game today.

I get it, I’m just not seeing passed the end result of a loss either way.

Not looking at today as stated, just generally.

 

[Bladezz]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

Astounded that any normal person would think in this way.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

It’s a big cliche….where fans say if your going to lose 2-0 then why not be more positive, losing 10-0 is the same difference.

Another cliche is may as well sack the players and play alll the kids.

These comments show how so many fans don’t know anything about the game.

Losing game 2-0 causes a drop in confidence

Where as losing games 10-0 causes trauma and irreversible shock where players question whether they’re in the right career and can suffer ptsd.

Also if we’d have given it a go today and lost 7 or 8-0 the same fans moaning will be moaning about the amateurism and naevity of the manager.

The issue I do.l agree with is that at some point we do need to be more positive in away games but damage limitation away at Man City is fair, reasonable and wise.

 

[FatPaul]

It’s a big cliche….where fans say if your going to lose 2-0 then why not be more positive, losing 10-0 is the same difference.

Another cliche is may as well sack the players and play alll the kids.

These comments show how so many fans don’t know anything about the game.

Losing game 2-0 causes a drop in confidence

Where as losing games 10-0 causes trauma and irreversible shock where players question whether they’re in the right career and can suffer ptsd.

Also if we’d have given it a go today and lost 7 or 8-0 the same fans moaning will be moaning about the amateurism and naevity of the manager.

The issue I do.l agree with is that at some point we do need to be more positive in away games but damage limitation away at Man City is fair, reasonable and wise.

Completely agree here, some people don't half talk some bobbar

 

[Sheffsteel]

Astounded that any normal person would think in this way.

Think some people say things just wanting a reaction. It makes me sad how simple and reactionary so many people have become.

Think it’s the effect of social media and it’s getting worse the need to crave attention with no balanced or considered opinion.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Tbh they felt the same to an extent, just another game lost. The Newcastle game we had a go, and we’re still keeping within GD touching difference so yes I take your point that was probably worse.

To the point of team belief however is still chopping and changing, weren’t there five today?

The Newcastle game was the most pathetic capitulation I've ever seen live, it certainly felt different to today. That type of defeat breaks teams, we've come away today optimistically albeit, but questioning missed chances and what ifs against what is probably the best team in the world..

 

[jono_t2000]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

Posted similar in a different thread, but at this stage of season not even draws going to be enough to keep us up.

We might as well give it a go, it's really our only option now.

One thing is for sure, negative anti-football isn't going to help get the fans back on side.

Fans are willing to give Wilder a bit of slack but if we continue playing in this style for too long they will start to turn.. mark my words

 

[FriethBlade]

18% possession, that's not called football its called chaseball.

Now everyone knows we can't go 'toe to toe' v top opposition but it's not unreasonable to at least have a bit of a go. If we aren't going to then all an away game v the likes of City becomes is an opportunity to socialise and get pissed. Its pointless paying the ticket price to watch us set up in the sole aim of avoiding a battering

 

[sportinguista]

Look at Burnley and Luton tonight… both lost, yes, but 3-2 and in a dogfight to the end..

 

[Snowflake]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

Losing by a large margin has a detrimental effect on the players and therefore may affect future matches.
It also leaves supporters feeling demoralised

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

There's a balance. Like yesterday we had to defend like we did. But we didn't break when we had chance (twice second half?) . For me it's those situations we need to grasp our chances and roll the dice.
Part of that is Wes, or what he's being told to do, waiting a minute to 'distribute' the ball so slowly.

 

[ekke287]

Astounded that any normal person would think in this way.

Completely agree here, some people don't half talk some bobbar

Think some people say things just wanting a reaction. It makes me sad how simple and reactionary so many people have become.

Think it’s the effect of social media and it’s getting worse the need to crave attention with no balanced or considered opinion.

I don’t think these are particularly fair considering the context of my post, it’s fine to disagree but claims of seeking a reaction to a relatively straightforward post are a bit unnecessary.

I mentioned above its not a critique of this game, but it’s a fair point that no matter the score line a defeat is still a defeat. At this stage in the season I feel our choice is to have a go or limit the damage, where the latter is an acceptance of zero points.

I get it confidence wise too, but would the fans not be more lifted by us trying to get something, which then transfers to the players, than watching us have no fight and writing off games because “it’s only 2-0”?

Would you be happy us playing like that against Luton? I agree there are games we have zero chance in, but to me there’s nothing to lose by going at them. We’ll still lose but currently our GD isn’t a factor.

Which is better for our future games, losing by more but fighting or losing by less with no threat?

And to reiterate this is an OPINION on a public forum, being called simple, attention seeking, reactionary and just plain stupid isn’t the purpose of such forums and doesn’t encourage healthy debate and discussion.

 

[sufcboy95]

We had the same tactics against Villa and should’ve come away with 3 points.
Realistically there’s a 1 in 10 chance we might get a point away at city with 10 men behind ball. I’d go and have a go that probably goes up to 1 in 100

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

 

[Bobby b]

Even at the beginning of the season we were never going to stay in the league by beating the top 6 but we could go down by losing heavily to them, but, that was then, now we are way adrift of the teams above us and our goal difference is, we'll let's say disappointing, I think we seem to be in a void where we are neither mathematically certain to go down nor romantically hopeful of staying up, when a team is mathematically down, often there's an up tick in results and performances, mainly because the pressure is off, maybe the management needs to tell the players there's no chance, we're down

 

[Bobby b]

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All his life he was dying to say that quote, considering his second name is the Spanish for shoes, I can just imagine his smug look when he Said it

 

[Gaini Blade]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

Would have liked to have see us have a go. We look scared of them most of the time and it isn't a good look.

UTB

 

[raul]

Out of the Newcastle and yesterday's defeats, Burnley was worst.

On yesterday I'd suggest the only reason we didn't get a hammering was because City didn't need to administer one.

 

[ancientblade]

Out of the Newcastle and yesterday's defeats, Burnley was worst.

On yesterday I'd suggest the only reason we didn't get a hammering was because City didn't need to administer one.

yes think your right and think the good relations between the clubs meant we were never going to get a battering city just did enough to win the game comfortably they probably could have got 4/5 if they had really wanted to and yes maybe luton and burnley are making a better fist of trying to stay up but they will both go down with us imo

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I think Citeh average something like 63% possession this season. This will include games against Liverpool Arsenal et al who will be closer to matching them. Not sure how we compare to other bottom half teams but it might not be quite as appalling as it seems.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I get it. We played City today and had zero expectation, so that’s not the point here.

BUT…

I’m seeing a lot of posts on social media etc saying similar to “at least we’ve not lost by 4 or 5”, and this mentality is something I can’t get my head around.

Lose 1-0 or 5-0, at this point in our season it’s a bit irrelevant isn’t it? Our GD is in the pan and we’re quickly becoming cut adrift, doesn’t that mean we may as well go for it and show some fight? In these games where we’re massive underdogs, we may as well surely…

Or is it some part of a master plan to write off some games and then try harder in others…?

I dunno, maybe I’m being gung-ho, I just feel like losing 1-0 or 5-0 is a bit irrelevant so may as well have a go.

A loss is a loss either way, having a go might fluke some points.

Serious question, how would you propose we attacked them? How would we get the ball forward? How would we defend counter attacks?

 

[Conspiracy realist]

18% possession, that's not called football its called chaseball.

Now everyone knows we can't go 'toe to toe' v top opposition but it's not unreasonable to at least have a bit of a go. If we aren't going to then all an away game v the likes of City becomes is an opportunity to socialise and get pissed. Its pointless paying the ticket price to watch us set up in the sole aim of avoiding a battering

Exactly if I had to watch us playing like that every game I'd definitely stop going it's mind numbing.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I think Citeh average something like 63% possession this season. This will include games against Liverpool Arsenal et al who will be closer to matching them. Not sure how we compare to other bottom half teams but it might not be quite as appalling as it seems.

I've had a look and they seemed to be 66-68% against lower teams.
Their highest was 75% against Palace, and that ended up 2-2.
I can't conclude anything from all that though!