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Blackwell did, same crap players much different results.

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We now have two choices, get in a manager that will do the job in League One or stick with Adams knowing that he will do a job in League Two the season after next! Bring back Blackwell all is forgiven!

Blackwell Did

BLACKWELL DID :rolleyes:

While it is impossible to blame any one individual and apportion 100% blame for the predicament we find ourselves in, it is painfully obvious that the man most directly responsible is Mr Kevin Blackwell who systematically dismantled a very good squad of players he inherited from Robson for the shite that we see out there today.

There is a reason that Mr Blackwell has not had a sniff of a job in 8 months.
 

I watched last night with an air of resignation, Like many I knew the outcome and like many I was probably apathetic about it all. I dont really blame Adams, I blame McCabe, his words of 'we wont go down this season' will surely come back to haunt him along with his lies about Beattie and the shambles he has made this once great club. Adams, well what can he do, he would love to have signed better players, but he took over a club in dire straits.
 
I dont think Mickey has been given a chance of keeping us up by the club.
He even had to beg them to release the funds for Collins. A permanent signing. In hindsight, maybe they were right. But his idea was there. :rolleyes:

I was watching the match at my mates gaff, who is a donny rovers fan. He couldnt believe how bad Collins & Nos were. he was laughing his head off at Nos.

Unfortunatley the jokes on us.
 
>Ever watched Formula one and seen a car performing badly
yeah but this is getting a bit.. ooh the car is crap.. so i'll take the new components off and put crap ones in it's place.. hmm now it is worse.. but it isn't 'my' fault .. it was crap to start with..
i used to moan about quinn and monty but for the love of god (and i'm not even religious).. collins and doyle are absolute gubbins.. bent was never any good anyway (plus the wanker nearly totalled me last week in his range rover).. how come riise didn't start?.. where was lowry?.. i nearly kicked the tv in when i saw vokes on tv.. what the fuck happened there?
 
Blackwell Did

BLACKWELL DID :rolleyes:

While it is impossible to blame any one individual and apportion 100% blame for the predicament we find ourselves in, it is painfully obvious that the man most directly responsible is Mr Kevin Blackwell who systematically dismantled a very good squad of players he inherited from Robson for the shite that we see out there today.

There is a reason that Mr Blackwell has not had a sniff of a job in 8 months.


Did he do it because he wanted to, or because he was told to reduce wage bill, make a profit on transfers and get us promoted all at the same time?
 
Did he do it because he wanted to, or because he was told to reduce wage bill, make a profit on transfers and get us promoted all at the same time?

Have to agree, for all Blackwell's faults, he did have the squad dismantled around him and the dismantling process has continued ever since.
 
Have to agree, for all Blackwell's faults, he did have the squad dismantled around him and the dismantling process has continued ever since.

No he didn't, not quite. He spent £5m on Hendo and Evans for starters. His squad building with the relatively huge resources he had was a disgrace.
 
blackwell did his usual trick of gradually replacing components with slightly substandard components to save money (mr maccabe?).. the overall effect is that the sum of the parts goes down quicker than that of the individual components.. then when you look round at what you are left with.. you have a bag of crap bits
 
Last night simply highlighted the gap in quality between the two sides. QPR have very talented players and Colin has got them well organised (always his best managerial trait IMO) - we dont have good inviduals in our team like they do and as for organisation.....that tends to go out of the window when you have rubbish players. United will probably win two or three more games against some of the poorer sides but that will be it. Seven points is too much to overcome with so few games left.

The word "apathy" is used a lot on this forum and that's probably because it best describes the feeling around the club at the moment. Last night was the first time I've ever sat and watched United without getting irate or excited at key moments. I know deep down that I care but most of me just cant be bothered as I know whats coming next. The penalty Quinn should have been given (IMO) was a perfect example. I sat on my sofa unmoved and in a calm voice said "penalty that" - when it wasnt given I simply rolled my eyes and had a swig of my beer. I've got to the point where I couldnt give a toss and only the smallest part of me hopes they can turn it round.

I look at games like last night, read the league table and think about all the money I've spent at that club down the years and just think....."why the fuck have I bothered?!" I have all the time in the world for those loyal Blades that travel to every single game with unmoved faith, they keep the club going - but that's the problem. While ever the club has you they'll keep serving up the same dross to tread water and never become anything but a poxy second tier side at best. What a waste of such potential, but they'll never change. Very little in the way of true ambition and when they find a bit of the stuff they make woeful decisions.

I dont have a problem with the commitment of the players or fans, but I have a massive problem with the club and as far as I'm concerned they can keep their ST and insert the "True Blades at the Lane" slogan firmly up their arse. They know nothing of True Blades, but they do consistently take the piss out them (and their money from them) to ultimately disappoint.

UTB!
 
Adams was doomed when he took over. The situation led to certain signings such as Doyle who he's had as commander-in-chief in the past and injuries, form and most importantly lack of cash have taken care of the rest. Sure Adams would have been expected to have had a greater effect than he did and I'm sure there could have been different players brought in but there aren't many managers who could have turned us around this season after Speed left.

As plenty of people have been saying, the problems with the club in general run too deep at the moment and the management just hoped somoene could turn it round, this masterplan for the future, to me, will only start to take shape once all the big earners have gone and we're actually spending relative to the position we're in, which, unfortunately, looks like being Division 3.

As I said a few months ago, going down, whilst having a shattering effect on finances etc, may be the only way the club can get a grip on where we are and actually put this plan of building a team around young, local, decent and hungry players into operation.

Agreed Jim, apart from 'local' - why should that matter. The fact that Quickfix Micky is local has hardly helped, has it?

If we're going with the young talent, why not give the chap who has developed them so well the chance to continue his good work?

For Heaven's sake don't let talented players anywhere near Quickfix Micky, Dinosaur Dave and The Best Attacking Coach in the Business. It would only confuse them [the management, I mean.]

Adams OUT - Football IN.
 
ironic when you consider people were advocating adams over SoD because 'adams won't take us down.. he knows how to battle'
 
Agreed Jim, apart from 'local' - why should that matter. The fact that Quickfix Micky is local has hardly helped, has it?

If we're going with the young talent, why not give the chap who has developed them so well the chance to continue his good work?

For Heaven's sake don't let talented players anywhere near Quickfix Micky, Dinosaur Dave and The Best Attacking Coach in the Business. It would only confuse them [the management, I mean.]

Adams OUT - Football IN.

cracking post Pinch.

ironic when you consider people were advocating adams over SoD because 'adams won't take us down.. he knows how to battle'

Indeed sp. Even I (firmly in favour of SoD and not a fan of Hoofy Adams) did not think we would lay down and die this easy. Oh Mickey, he's a battler. Like SC said (in terms of relegation) 'we have just rolled over like a fat, spoilt labrador wanting its belly stroked'. Thanks Adams.
 

Last day of the season??! Reading away, down.

I really want to see Adams show sone leadership and passion. The lack of both was embarrassing last night
 
I wanted O'Driscoll but never believing it to be likely, encouraged and was fully supportive of Adams appointment. It hasn't worked. His signings have been poor and after a promising start in terms of performance, the wheels fell off when we didn't get our rewards from a few games. My only (partial) defence of Adams would be that ;

1. We were shit when he came
2. He was under pressure to change something quickly, and gambled whilst bottom feeding (Collins, Doyle).


Adams out then? Not for me, not yet. We're still not bottomed out yet. A new manager will definitley attract the same flack as we offload our overpaid dross and scrape the bottom of the barrel for underpaid dross. We might as well let Adams soak up the flack and give him next season to start re building. And though his record with us stinks, I haven't written off the possibility that there still is a decent manager in there.

UTB
 
I wanted O'Driscoll but never believing it to be likely, encouraged and was fully supportive of Adams appointment. It hasn't worked. His signings have been poor and after a promising start in terms of performance, the wheels fell off when we didn't get our rewards from a few games. My only (partial) defence of Adams would be that ;

1. We were shit when he came
2. He was under pressure to change something quickly, and gambled whilst bottom feeding (Collins, Doyle).


Adams out then? Not for me, not yet. We're still not bottomed out yet. A new manager will definitley attract the same flack as we offload our overpaid dross and scrape the bottom of the barrel for underpaid dross. We might as well let Adams soak up the flack and give him next season to start re building. And though his record with us stinks, I haven't written off the possibility that there still is a decent manager in there.

UTB

Once again you're talking a lot of sense alco and I pretty much agree with all of that. It also seems pointless sacking Adams at the moment from a financial point of view. He will still have two years to run and we would have to pay him out (we're probably still paying BR and KB). As I am also of the opinion that we havent bottomed out yet and wont do for some time.....the sensible thing would be to keep him on and see if he can turn it around once he's managed to clear out some of the chaff. The worrying thing though, is that he's brought some more in himself but I do tend to think they were panic signings because of our situation. I think MA is sensible enough to learn from that.

The manager knows the third tier relatively well as he's managed there before and if he finds the opportunity to build a side from scratch he might just be able to get us back up next season. You have to say that yes he probably should have done much better so far but I still feel he has been dealt a poor hand and left with awful players/resources. This is not so much a "give him time" plea.....it is more the fact that now we're almost down, I dont see the point in changing again. I think after a fourth manager in one season anyone would have found it difficult to keep us up. Its been a shambles since the beginning.
 
You have to say that yes he probably should have done much better so far but I still feel he has been dealt a poor hand and left with awful players/resources. This is not so much a "give him time" plea.....it is more the fact that now we're almost down, I dont see the point in changing again.

There is certainly no point in changing this season, but given Adams' form so far when signing players and picking a side from the players he has, giving him any time in charge after the end of the Swansea game looks like a very bad move indeed. If not, my fear is we're going to end up with groundhog day as some other poor sod is left trying to get us out of the League 1 relegation zone 10 games in when the only players we have on permanent deals other than the crap currently on the books is 4 or 5 Doyle and Collins clones.
 
Completely agree Rev. I have no confidence in Adam's ability to sign decent players given what he's managed so far.

Yes he's had not much to work with, but when you've got little to work with, why spunk your money on crap 'premiership' strikers?
 
Completely agree Rev. I have no confidence in Adam's ability to sign decent players given what he's managed so far.

Yes he's had not much to work with, but when you've got little to work with, why spunk your money on crap 'premiership' strikers?

I'm not sure that the "Premiership" strikers are the problem as much as the Conference defender in Collins who we paid a transfer fee for. Who sanctioned that deal?!
 
Agree with parts of Alco and parts of Rev's posts (both very good one's).

I would not sack Adams now. I am in 2 minds about next season. If he show some real fight, win some games, play with passion and belief and go down kicking and scraming then I'll back him. If it's more of the same then he can get fucked off. His poor signings cannot be ignored 9and this does not give me confidence he is the man to take us forward) but neither should his promotions with Brighton, Fulham and Leicester. He got Vale playing good football, so perhaps he could us.

In a nut shell. Micky, you have 7 games left to prove youself. It's been a disaster, but you can still turn it around. Let's start with 3 points on Saturday. Over to you ....
 
Some form of stability is needed. We are in a huge hole with 5 managers this season. OK, Collins and Doyle leave a lot to be desired, and make me think twice about Adams' ability in the market, but Riise and to some extent Vokes go some way to balancing the scales. I know they are on loan and the others not, but I think we have to give Micky a chance into next season. Yes, we will be down, and it will need a couple of years to sort it out, that's why I say stick with Adams for the time being and at least give the players something solid to work with.
 
Releasing Adams now would be as bad as the knee jerk reaction of getting rid of KB after 3 games of the start of this season after giving him the summer to prepare, the club desperately needs a stable footing, and Adams has to be given a chance to build his own squad with a pre season. Now on the back of signings like Bent, Doyle and Collins, then this looks rather worrying but, and for me its a big but, Adams was appointed a matter of days before the January transfer window, he had a matter of days and weeks to assess the situation, I think he gambled on some players he has previously worked with and it hasn't really worked, but he also gambled on others that have looked better.

Lets have a look at the situation though… when he took charge, the team had a patch work defence, with Ertl and Nosworthy playing CB against Burnley. Bartley came back the following game at home against Doncaster to partner with Ertl there but we had to then bring Kozluk and at the time barely tested Parrino in the fullback positions, we were scratching around to build a proper defence, I think his first dip into the loan market shows he does have a better eye to spot a player when given a few weeks to really look, as Lowry looked and still looks very capable, Mattock also looked steady before the injury and is slowly starting to look steady again, these two were on hand to see us to our first clean sheet in 6 games. Bent seemed like an ok but bizarre move, but in tough test against high flying Norwich, he looked to be a comfortable player, despite tiring quick, his touch looked good and he tried to bring other players into play (sadly this player was lost shortly after and hasn’t been seen since) and on a whole we looked very comfortable against them until Simmo dropped the ball under pressure and then fluffed a punch again under pressure.
The young defence Parrino, Mattock, Lowry and Bartley showed its first signs of naivety, there clearly wasn't a older more relaxed head to help them organise at the back and find free players, they hesitated and failed to pressure the Norwich player, with Britton wanting out or going at that time, Adams had another problem to address, with 9 days to go of the January transfer window.

Collins was cheap and available, not the answer clearly but a chance for us to have a contracted player in the centre of defence. He’s a cover player and I think he still would have been had Bartley not left for Rangers, some rumours had already suggested Bartley wanted out, maybe the signing of Collins gave him a sufficient excuse to seek a way out. Doyle may have also been cheap and available and with Britton out of the frame, Adams probably felt he needed another midfielder, however Doyle was the silliest transfer of the lot, we already had Monty and Ertl to do the role he does. I honestly believe they can both do it better too.

Problems continued and it showed at the back we didn’t field a consistent defence since Bartley had left till the Palace and Scunthorpe games, after that though Adams has relied too much on the experience of Collins and Nosworthy for me, certainly for Nosworthy, we’ve had better options on the bench at times with Lowton and Parrino. I’d even stretch and say Kozluk and Calve would be better options as they don’t prat about with the ball as much. Riise has looked his best signing and again with time allowed shows Adams can spot a player, but it also shows which market the board have backed him in more. Adams please for the love of god, utilise Riise more, even if you stick with your 3 man midfield, you could use, Quinn – Monty – Riise, or have a midfield of Willo – Monty – Quinn and use Riise in the front third to give us a proper channel player there. Adams success with signings is about on par with every other manager, 50/50. 3 bad, 3 decent even good ones and Vokes wasn’t too bad. The real change for me that needs to be made is Adams being braver, which in this situation is easier said than done, I don’t think he’s a bad manager, he’s certainly got some of our players playing far better, but he’s showing too much loyalty to his permanent signings, just because they’re scrappers. When a bit of flair and youth will also aid the scrap.

I think alot of us know that the situation we are faced with comes from mistakes and problems created by others as well as those mistakes Adams has made, the board, knee jerking at KB, Speed bottling it and creating an unstable enviroment, the board not backing the signing of decent permanent signings and prefer to tread water in the loan market again, players under performing and not taking part of the blame are all other parts of a very big equation in reason why we are in this position.
 
The problem is he's playing 66% of the crap transfers week in week out.
 
The problem is he's playing 66% of the crap transfers week in week out.

Bents been a bit player. Lowry, Mattock and Riise all have more starts and games under their belts than him. Collins and Doyle have been regulars, unfortuantley but look at the season as a whole rather than concetrate on four little pieces of a vast puzzle.
 

Bents been a bit player. Lowry, Mattock and Riise all have more starts and games under their belts than him.

This is not true: Bent has started as many games as Riise and played in more than Mattock and Riise when you count sub appearances. Lowry has played more times and started more.

I remain staggered that anyone, let alone a professional football manager, thought that Bent might contribute something.

Incidentally, beechblade, your post trying to rationalise Adams' signings is interesting, although I don't agree with a lot of it. I will try to respond if I get more time later.
 

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