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I'm sick of hearing what he inherited etc.... this is pathetic. He's brought in new faces and they haven't done anything... Collins... Doyle... Bent.... all crap. Tonight has been woeful, QPR haven't got out of second gear all night.
 

Yep, the above 3 arecrap, BUT we simply wont get any better than that whilst McCabe is wringing every penny from the club.
 
I'm sick of hearing what he inherited etc.... this is pathetic. He's brought in new faces and they haven't done anything... Collins... Doyle... Bent.... all crap. Tonight has been woeful, QPR haven't got out of second gear all night.

yep, had enough. Micky one step forward two steps back adams fucked it up again.
 
yer you're all right. Weve just lost to a team who have only lost 1 at home all season, so obviously we should have gone there and won comfortably.

Guys, open your eyes, we would go down with mourinho in charge of this rabble. Im sick of reiterating it, but 4 managers couldnt do anything with this lot all season, so why can you not see that micky isnt doing anything worse?

Granted, the signings arent brilliant, but look, WHO could do a better job? is it worth becoming a laughing stock and losing 5 managers in 12 months?

isnt it amazing the fickleness (not a word) of all football supporters. I bet you were all on top of the world after we beat leeds, but as soon as we lose away at top of the league its back to blame the manager again.

Let's just have a look at the wider picture please chaps....
 
yer you're all right. Weve just lost to a team who have only lost 1 at home all season, so obviously we should have gone there and won comfortably.

Guys, open your eyes, we would go down with mourinho in charge of this rabble. Im sick of reiterating it, but 4 managers couldnt do anything with this lot all season, so why can you not see that micky isnt doing anything worse?

Granted, the signings arent brilliant, but look, WHO could do a better job? is it worth becoming a laughing stock and losing 5 managers in 12 months?

isnt it amazing the fickleness (not a word) of all football supporters. I bet you were all on top of the world after we beat leeds, but as soon as we lose away at top of the league its back to blame the manager again.

Let's just have a look at the wider picture please chaps....

No, the manager decided to recall Collins. I didn't think he could be so fucking clueless
 
Signings

yep, had enough. Micky one step forward two steps back adams fucked it up again.

Adams signings have been dreadful.

We need to sign young, hungry players from the lower legues on the way up. Do we actually have a scouting network any more?

Bent, Collins and Doyle were as bad as anything we have signed in the last 10 years.

What is the point of signing McCallister and some of these Australians/Norweigans etc
if they are not any better than what we have? Still we have a development squad so that's good in case the first team are not good enough :rolleyes:
 
I would expect as a bare minimum that he sends out a well drilled defence. He's had two weeks to sort this.

I suppose expecting him to actually get across to his team some kind of coherent game plan is asking a bit too much, huh?

Tactical nous? Hmmmmmmmmm.

Or do Ralph Wiggum impressions on the touchline score brownie points?
 
Adams signings have been dreadful.

We need to sign young, hungry players from the lower legues on the way up. Do we actually have a scouting network any more?

Bent, Collins and Doyle were as bad as anything we have signed in the last 10 years.

What is the point of signing McCallister and some of these Australians/Norweigans etc
if they are not any better than what we have? Still we have a development squad so that's good in case the first team are not good enough :rolleyes:

who are these young hungry players then? you seem to know it all so go ahead and name some............... How do we pay for these up and coming players?? Magic Beans?
 
Nah, your attention is in the wrong place. Stick with Adams, he may well be the man to keep in place whilst we steady the ship and rebuild with youngsters.
 
I take it he kicked Lowry too?

Whether he kicked Lowry or not, I don't want Collins to ever play again even if we had no centre halves. He is certainly giving Doyle a run for his money in regards to the worst players we have had in over 10 years. Is Ertl injured?
 
Whether he kicked Lowry or not, I don't want Collins to ever play again even if we had no centre halves. He is certainly giving Doyle a run for his money in regards to the worst players we have had in over 10 years. Is Ertl injured?

Ertl is also injured yes.

I've been saying for the best part of 2 years to give young Maguire a chance, but it wasn't the game to do that.
 
who are these young hungry players then? you seem to know it all so go ahead and name some............... How do we pay for these up and coming players?? Magic Beans?

If there weren't any young players available why even bother to get someone else at all. Why pay the money for Bent when every sign suggests he's done as a player? Why get Doyle when we've already got a better version in the team? All he's done is waste money and damage the overall quality of the squad.
 

Ertl is also injured yes.

I've been saying for the best part of 2 years to give young Maguire a chance, but it wasn't the game to do that.

Yes it was and still is. For the love of god somebody put Adams, Collins and Doyle out of their misery in no particular order. This team is down now whatever rose tinted glasses some of you want to put on it.. time to blood the youth
 
who are these young hungry players then? you seem to know it all so go ahead and name some............... How do we pay for these up and coming players?? Magic Beans?

I aint paid to find them; our manager, coaches, scout and board are. I cannot think of anyone who could be any worse than Collins/Doyle. There are players in league 2/1 that could be found relatively cheaply who may at least provide pace, enthusiasm and desire.

Do you honestly think we could have not parlayed the signing on fees/wages we are using on Bent, Mattock, Doyle and Collins to sign a few lower league players and be any worse?

We must have found 'magic beans' to sign those players? All will command more than decent Championship wages.
 
I aint paid to find them; our manager, coaches, scout and board are. I cannot think of anyone who could be any worse than Collins/Doyle. There are players in league 2/1 that could be found relatively cheaply who may at least provide pace, enthusiasm and desire.

Do you honestly think we could have not parlayed the signing on fees/wages we are using on Bent, Mattock, Doyle and Collins to sign a few lower league players and be any worse?

We must have found 'magic beans' to sign those players? All will command more than decent Championship wages.

But we'll only be paying wages to these players, we can't afford to sign players from the lower leagues as they will attract a fee which we can't afford. I don't think Mattock is too bad and Riise is useful ( if we actually played him ).

Your quote of " i ain't paid to find them" is a fantastic cop out by the way
 
Why is it a cop-out?

Ever watched Formula one and seen a car performing badly? Using your logic, only those at the leading edge of automotive technology with some idea of how to fix it should be allowed to comment on it.

If you honestly believe that Doyle and Collins are the best players that Mickey could have brought to the club, well fair play. But those who just cannot see these two as the acme of aspiration don't have any obligation to come up with any better. We are not 'paid to find them' and yet we have a right to express the opinion that they are, quite simply, not good enough.
 
Why is it a cop-out?

Ever watched Formula one and seen a car performing badly? Using your logic, only those at the leading edge of automotive technology with some idea of how to fix it should be allowed to comment on it.

If you honestly believe that Doyle and Collins are the best players that Mickey could have brought to the club, well fair play. But those who just cannot see these two as the acme of aspiration don't have any obligation to come up with any better. We are not 'paid to find them' and yet we have a right to express the opinion that they are, quite simply, not good enough.

Well he says these players are out there so asking him who they are is a fair enough question.
 
It'll be very interesting to see how we respond to tonight. We're looking much better at home recently, and Saturday against Boro is an excellent chance. Cardiff are as jittery as Leeds and Forest at the moment, so there is no reason based on recent form why we can't win those. Palace's next two are away at Ipswich and Leicester and it is quite likely they will pick up nothing from both. We could be a win away from climbing out of the drop zone next Wednesday. We both have similarly tough run-ins - let's not all go crazy off the back of a loss away at the team that's been a quality above the rest of the league, and not when things could be very different 10 days from now.
 
I thought we tried hard tonight, we were just let down by the poor quality of some of our players. Collins, Doyle and Bent all looked woeful, and Nosworth did what he always does. Thank goodness we can at least get rid of 2 of them at the end of the season - shame we are stuck with the other two. Henderson looked off the pace and players who sometimes turn it on (Ched, Yeates) didn't do much.
But we are not down just yet, if we can just grind out a couple of 1-0 wins or even a win and a draw in the next 2 home games then things could look rather different - Palace 'should' lose both their next two. Not that I'm getting my hopes up too much - we are almost certainly going down - but we were never likely to get much out of QPR away anyhow so not much has changed really.
 
No point now. Might as well wait until after Swansea away on the final day.
 
You can't make a silk purse from a sows ear.

Blackwell did, same crap players much different results.

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We now have two choices, get in a manager that will do the job in League One or stick with Adams knowing that he will do a job in League Two the season after next! Bring back Blackwell all is forgiven!
 
Not sure there's much point in sacking Adams now.
Someone's going to have to manage the impending summer firesale and manage to put another half-arsed 11 complete with the usual complement of loanings together for another miserable season.
Adams might want to walk facing that but some mug's got to do it.
Generally, it's hard not to fear for the future of our club. Crowds are about to plummet and they're going to be mighty hard to get back.
It's going to be S6's future now.
 
No point sacking him.

We replace shit with shit these days.
 

Adams was doomed when he took over. The situation led to certain signings such as Doyle who he's had as commander-in-chief in the past and injuries, form and most importantly lack of cash have taken care of the rest. Sure Adams would have been expected to have had a greater effect than he did and I'm sure there could have been different players brought in but there aren't many managers who could have turned us around this season after Speed left.

As plenty of people have been saying, the problems with the club in general run too deep at the moment and the management just hoped somoene could turn it round, this masterplan for the future, to me, will only start to take shape once all the big earners have gone and we're actually spending relative to the position we're in, which, unfortunately, looks like being Division 3.

As I said a few months ago, going down, whilst having a shattering effect on finances etc, may be the only way the club can get a grip on where we are and actually put this plan of building a team around young, local, decent and hungry players into operation.
 

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