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itsinyerblood said:
Quite possibly I'm not the first to have considered this, but with John Brayford at Burton, and assuming he fits the bill there, come the end of the season surely there's a possibility of negotiating his transfer and using this money as full or part payment in making an offer that will ensure we sign EEL? Like I say, not the most inventive idea but certainly one that has potential UTB
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Can we use McNulty's wages too?
 
It's up to the player too. If he's happy here he will want to stay. Let's hope he is happy, as us fans love him! He's the best defender we've had for ages.
 
EEL has done well and played a big role in our resurgent form of late.

He's also very much a work in progress and I'm not so sure Wolves or any other Championship clubs will be fighting to sign him in January. Especially, any who scouted him at Bradford where Hiwalu caused him lots of problems.
 
Ricky said:
We shouldn't need to sell anyone else to sign EEL.

But yes, sell Brayford anyway, ASAP. Any fee will only help.

Maybe Burton will stump up 300k for him and we'll get to hear a soppy interview when he signs..... "it's not about the money, this is the place I want to be, I just love Nigel so much..."
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I would have thought that we will be looking for a fair bit more than £300k for Brayford which means that Burton may well struggle to afford him. Possibly a cash plus player swap involving the attacking midfield player they beat us to in the summer though (his name eludes me at the moment ) ;)

UTB & FTP
 
itsinyerblood said:
Would be nice if that situation happened, but rather than tempt fate and allow someone else to nip in and steal him, maybe agree a deal in advance of the season's end? One thing we can rely on, Wilder will be way ahead of this situation and do whatever he feels needs doing.
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Wilder may very well be way ahead of the situation ....... the big problem though will be the usual one ....... the financial support from the Board.

The acid test comes on 1st January ....... o_O

UTB & FTP
 
Or why dont we use the money that we got for DCL and Che Adams to sign EEL, obviously what is left after all clubs costs etc, im sure it would be affordable.

EEL's contract also runs out in 2017 at Wolves, so it may just be a case of offering a contract in January and for us to only pay a small fee as he would only have half a year remaining, id say tops 1 million we would be looking at in January.
itsinyerblood said:
Quite possibly I'm not the first to have considered this, but with John Brayford at Burton, and assuming he fits the bill there, come the end of the season surely there's a possibility of negotiating his transfer and using this money as full or part payment in making an offer that will ensure we sign EEL? Like I say, not the most inventive idea but certainly one that has potential UTB
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Or why dont we use the money that we got for DCL and Che Adams to sign EEL, obviously what is left after all clubs costs etc, im sure it would be affordable.

EEL's contract also runs out in 2017 at Wolves, so it may just be a case of offering a contract in January and for us to only pay a small fee as he would only have half a year remaining, id say tops 1 million we would be looking at in January and we can keep Brayford, considering his attitude to play and passion has changed otherwise id get rid, but would want over 750k for him considering what we payed 2 seasons ago.
 
Darthblade said:
Wilder may very well be way ahead of the situation ....... the big problem though will be the usual one ....... the financial support from the Board.

The acid test comes on 1st January ....... o_O

UTB & FTP
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Sure you're right Darth.....if the board don't take a considered view of how the first half of the season has gone and realise that we have a great chance of finally grabbing an automatic promotion place then they should hand their heads in shame. Wilder has done a great job, ask any Blade and they'll echo the same sentiment, we have a manager that's ideal for where we are, therefore give him the support he needs and give the team (and fans) the impetus to secure that automatic promotion place.
 
Ricky said:
We shouldn't need to sell anyone else to sign EEL.

But yes, sell Brayford anyway, ASAP. Any fee will only help.

Maybe Burton will stump up 300k for him and we'll get to hear a soppy interview when he signs..... "it's not about the money, this is the place I want to be, I just love Nigel so much..."
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:)
 
joshua thompson said:
Or why dont we use the money that we got for DCL and Che Adams to sign EEL, obviously what is left after all clubs costs etc, im sure it would be affordable.

EEL's contract also runs out in 2017 at Wolves, so it may just be a case of offering a contract in January and for us to only pay a small fee as he would only have half a year remaining, id say tops 1 million we would be looking at in January.



Or why dont we use the money that we got for DCL and Che Adams to sign EEL, obviously what is left after all clubs costs etc, im sure it would be affordable.

EEL's contract also runs out in 2017 at Wolves, so it may just be a case of offering a contract in January and for us to only pay a small fee as he would only have half a year remaining, id say tops 1 million we would be looking at in January and we can keep Brayford, considering his attitude to play and passion has changed otherwise id get rid, but would want over 750k for him considering what we payed 2 seasons ago.
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It's not acute fiscal awareness that tells us that as soon as money comes in from fees they are dispersed throughout the club, but on a simple like for like basis then yes, there should be money available to make an offer that is realistic and shows we want to sign EEL. On Wilder's previous dealings, he goes in low with a view to upping his bid if he feels the player is worth it. CW will realise EEL's value to the team and the club in general, you can't discount the way the fans love the player and that has to carry weight in this type of transfer. EEL, and his agent, should realise that his performances have been consistently good for a reason, namely the manager and the players he plays alongside. The experience of Wright is invaluable in this equation, and EEL should accept how this has helped him, and JOC, to develop as a great defensive unit.
 
itsinyerblood said:
It's not acute fiscal awareness that tells us that as soon as money comes in from fees they are dispersed throughout the club, but on a simple like for like basis then yes, there should be money available to make an offer that is realistic and shows we want to sign EEL. On Wilder's previous dealings, he goes in low with a view to upping his bid if he feels the player is worth it. CW will realise EEL's value to the team and the club in general, you can't discount the way the fans love the player and that has to carry weight in this type of transfer. EEL, and his agent, should realise that his performances have been consistently good for a reason, namely the manager and the players he plays alongside. The experience of Wright is invaluable in this equation, and EEL should accept how this has helped him, and JOC, to develop as a great defensive unit.
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Completely agree, I do hope we sign him, I feel the setup and the team have benefited him and hopefully this will lure him towards us for a permanent basis. To me, I feel that the funds should be there considering the sales of DCL and Che as we had not really spent on players since their departure and instead go loanees instead, one being EEL, apart from Simon Moore. Knowing the board, they will say the funds are not available as they have been spent in the club, but there has to be something, the crowds are consistently high too due to good performances, that adds to more income too, not much but it benefits. I think we could be looking at around a million, id say it would be a hell of a deal, really to me we have to sign him, be just brings that ability to the team we have lacked for years in an individual. Let's just see what happens and how we go around it, I would say we should definitely put in an offer and most likely will, just will we be willing to spend the money Wolves want to get him or will we again let go of a great asset to the club for him to go to another team and perform even better and then to be sold on for millions, in other words shooting ourselves in the foot, which we seem very good at!
 



joshua thompson said:
Completely agree, I do hope we sign him, I feel the setup and the team have benefited him and hopefully this will lure him towards us for a permanent basis. To me, I feel that the funds should be there considering the sales of DCL and Che as we had not really spent on players since their departure and instead go loanees instead, one being EEL, apart from Simon Moore. Knowing the board, they will say the funds are not available as they have been spent in the club, but there has to be something, the crowds are consistently high too due to good performances, that adds to more income too, not much but it benefits. I think we could be looking at around a million, id say it would be a hell of a deal, really to me we have to sign him, be just brings that ability to the team we have lacked for years in an individual. Let's just see what happens and how we go around it, I would say we should definitely put in an offer and most likely will, just will we be willing to spend the money Wolves want to get him or will we again let go of a great asset to the club for him to go to another team and perform even better and then to be sold on for millions, in other words shooting ourselves in the foot, which we seem very good at!
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Much of what you say rings true I'm afraid to say. These days, a million in football terms ain't worth what it used to be, so you could well be right in valuation terms, we'll have to see. At that price he'd represent good value, as finding someone of his type of quality would cost at least a million. I think there's always been a hesitancy at board level, perhaps we just attract local business men who love the title of director but don't have the type of money to throw at signings. Since Wilder and Knill were appointed we seem, probably more by default, to have landed on our feet. In the main, good signings (one or two not quite up to the job in hand), and with that in mind the board should view this as a wake-up call that we're finally in sight of achieving what we've wished for, for far too long. Time to shit or get off the pot, and never was there the need for Kev and the (silent) Prince to back their successful management team with the resources they need to finish the job.....the question that everyone needs to ask is - what is the point of SUFC if it's not to play at the highest level possible? I'm not suggesting winning the Champions league or winning the Prem three years on the trot, but by being able to hold our own at the top half of the Championship, with an eye on securing promotion to the Premiership. If that seems too much of an ask then they should ask themselves if they're up to the job? If they cannot deliver then they should move aside to allow someone else to make this possible.
 
If EEL loves it here , he will stay
we are in the box seat, and come january if we are contention theres will be no more attractive places to be
 
itsinyerblood said:
It's not acute fiscal awareness that tells us that as soon as money comes in from fees they are dispersed throughout the club, but on a simple like for like basis then yes, there should be money available to make an offer that is realistic and shows we want to sign EEL. On Wilder's previous dealings, he goes in low with a view to upping his bid if he feels the player is worth it. CW will realise EEL's value to the team and the club in general, you can't discount the way the fans love the player and that has to carry weight in this type of transfer. EEL, and his agent, should realise that his performances have been consistently good for a reason, namely the manager and the players he plays alongside. The experience of Wright is invaluable in this equation, and EEL should accept how this has helped him, and JOC, to develop as a great defensive unit.
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Some of the DCL and Che money will have been spent on Moore and JOC plus we had to pay off Hammond. Those demanding that the board provide the funds to sign EEL seem to ignore the new policy of reality that the club will not pay silly money out on players. Look what happened with the Beard. The fans wanted him as did the manager and we paid a big fee and huge wages for one player. Was it worth it? Clearly with the benefit of hindsight it was a bad move. We could have had 3 or more decent L1 players for that money. I like EEL but how good is he? He may grow into a very good Championship player but then again he may not. How much does he rely on Wright's organisation? CW/AK will have to assess what they think is an appropriate fee/wage but not buy at any cost. There are surely other CHs around if Wolves or his agent want silly money.

UTB
 
Yewsman said:
Some of the DCL and Che money will have been spent on Moore and JOC plus we had to pay off Hammond. Those demanding that the board provide the funds to sign EEL seem to ignore the new policy of reality that the club will not pay silly money out on players. Look what happened with the Beard. The fans wanted him as did the manager and we paid a big fee and huge wages for one player. Was it worth it? Clearly with the benefit of hindsight it was a bad move. We could have had 3 or more decent L1 players for that money. I like EEL but how good is he? He may grow into a very good Championship player but then again he may not. How much does he rely on Wright's organisation? CW/AK will have to assess what they think is an appropriate fee/wage but not buy at any cost. There are surely other CHs around if Wolves or his agent want silly money.

UTB
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I've written about this extensively elsewhere. It's not an "at all costs" policy but if a deal can be done then most Blade's supporters would be happy to see this go through. If not then we move on, simple and uncomplicated I'd hope you agree.
 
I don't think EEL would cost that much. No more than 500k, as things stand.

United have got to learn from past mistakes and look at it from an investment point of view. We've already got another young centre half in O'Connell for about 300k(?) - good age, physique, quality and mentality - a low risk signing. If we sign another one of a similar profile for less than 700k for example, we've got two good, promising centre halves for less than £1m combined.
What are the chances of them being worth less than that combined in the future? Extremely slim.
What are the chances of them being worth more than that combined in the future? Extremely high.
What are the chances of them both being worth more than that individually in the future? Quite high.
Especially when you consider the rising transfer fees.

It's a numbers game. Peterborough are a good example. They pay decent fees for promising players knowing that if even half of them turn out good then they'll be in a positive, profitable position and will have done good business.

So I desperately hope we're not faced with a 'sell to buy' situation in January. We need to speculate to accumulate, for once. No excuse not to if we're in a strong position in the league.
 
There's plenty of other fish in the sea, but EELS can be hard to get hold of.
 
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itsinyerblood said:
I've written about this extensively elsewhere. It's not an "at all costs" policy but if a deal can be done then most Blade's supporters would be happy to see this go through. If not then we move on, simple and uncomplicated I'd hope you agree.
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Haven't you just Contradicted your " dig " at KM and the ' silent ' prince with this last contribution to the thread .

I thought it was a case of put the money up to seal this kind of signing or get off the khazi and let someone else sit on the proverbial throne with the financial clout to do so ????

Apologies if I've misread your points but you appear to shy away from your original point by veering towards a more Mr Wilder refusal to have our pants pulled down on ANY signing we make .
 
Yeah...that's alright, but what I want to know is Dan Burn?
 
Isn't he out of contract in June? Surely that will force wolves hand in January or he'll go for free?
 
coolhandluke said:
Haven't you just Contradicted your " dig " at KM and the ' silent ' prince with this last contribution to the thread .

I thought it was a case of put the money up to seal this kind of signing or get off the khazi and let someone else sit on the proverbial throne with the financial clout to do so ????

Apologies if I've misread your points but you appear to shy away from your original point by veering towards a more Mr Wilder refusal to have our pants pulled down on ANY signing we make .
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Let me see if I can, for your sake, clarify this apparent confusion. I hope those who have the resources needed do make it easy for Wilder to make a bid that Wilder feels is appropriate for EEL. Personally I feel we might have to bid a tad more than many feel the player is worth (it puzzles me how valuations are arrived at on this forum, it seems the best gauge is to stick the tail on the donkey and conclude this is accurate). I'd love to see the player sign for the Blades, and while not attempting to gloss over the mistakes of the Clough and Adkins era, I do hope we'll recognise that just sometimes we need to pay for the quality we've sadly missed in recent years. Of course that shouldn't mean being held to ransom, so if that were to be the case we are duty bound to move on whilst thanking EEL for his contribution.

As for your comment about the 'silent' Prince, yes, I do feel we hear next to nothing from our co-owner, and in PR terms the absence of interest does nothing to develop what you might call a relationship. Compare that to the owners of Leicester, they make every possible effort to appear at home games. Of course there may be reasons for the Prince's absence, but as we receive no communication other than via old Kev please don't be surprised by my cynicism.
 
Steady on. If EEL has 4 or 5 bad games in a row, he'll be banished to the same place as the "big bald albatross."
 



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