A sense of optimism...

[SteelCity Blade]

So basically the same fuckwits who have presided over this £18 million loss, have produced a report saying all will be well.

I cant see why they didn`t produce the report earlier ..........

Fuckwits eh? By that I assume you mean one man who is a self made multi-millionaire and another who is highly regarded in football finance and brought Roman Abramovich to Chelsea? Yes fuckwits, I see your point......

If only these people knew as much about football finance and running a club as you do Worksop. Fucks sake.....I give up

 

[lenners]

Fuckwits eh? By that I assume you mean one man who is a self made multi-millionaire and another who is highly regarded in football finance and brought Roman Abramovich to Chelsea? Yes fuckwits, I see your point......

If only these people knew as much about football finance and running a club as you do Worksop. Fucks sake.....I give up

Aye, they've made a brilliant job of running our football club.
A fucking shambles to put it mildly. He's a very lucky boy our friends across the city have been stewing in their own crap for a decade.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Aye, they've made a brilliant job of running our football club.
A fucking shambles to put it mildly. He's a very lucky boy our friends across the city have been stewing in their own crap for a decade.

Like I said len, I give up. If things are as bad as you constantly insist then ignorance is obviously bliss for me.....I shall therefore apply it to comments of the above nature on this forum

 

[Micalijo]

Steel - when you say Birchy brought Abramovic to Chelsea I hope you aren't suggesting that he somehow pursuaded him to part with his wedge by force of personality or by his fiscal brilliance.. I honestly believe Abramovic will have no clue who Trevor is. I'm not knocking the role he did at Chelsea but I think they are slightly more sellable than us. What I'm saying is that if Abram wants a football club, even you Steel could flog it to him if you were its chief exec at the time he expressed interest.

 

[Foxy]

Steel - when you say Birchy brought Abramovic to Chelsea I hope you aren't suggesting that he somehow pursuaded him to part with his wedge by force of personality or by his fiscal brilliance.. I honestly believe Abramovic will have no clue who Trevor is. I'm not knocking the role he did at Chelsea but I think they are slightly more sellable than us. What I'm saying is that if Abram wants a football club, even you Steel could flog it to him if you were its chief exec at the time he expressed interest.

The key point here is, you have absolutely no idea of the "personality" or how good he is at anything

Nor do you know his past or current relationship with Mr Abramovic.

Other than that, fair point!

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Steel - when you say Birchy brought Abramovic to Chelsea I hope you aren't suggesting that he somehow pursuaded him to part with his wedge by force of personality or by his fiscal brilliance.. I honestly believe Abramovic will have no clue who Trevor is. I'm not knocking the role he did at Chelsea but I think they are slightly more sellable than us. What I'm saying is that if Abram wants a football club, even you Steel could flog it to him if you were its chief exec at the time he expressed interest.

Chelsea were supposedly in financial meltdown at the time and by all accounts were rescued by Mr Abramovich (so we're told). Such a process, with a club in that much of a mess is not as easy as you would make out. It is widely reported that Birch had a big hand in that takeover and if that is the case the man obviously has great business acumen and the respect of people who deal with him. Roman Abramovic is a very powerful and successful man.....he does not deal with mugs. If Trevor Birch can deal with people of that profile then he's obviously very good at what he does.

As for even me being able to flog it, perhaps I could. I am a businessman myself, not a bad one at that. Knowing international trade as I do, anyone that can deal with people of that magnitude is a smart cookie make no bones about it!

 

[Micalijo]

Chelsea were supposedly in financial meltdown at the time and by all accounts were rescued by Mr Abramovich (so we're told). Such a process, with a club in that much of a mess is not as easy as you would make out. It is widely reported that Birch had a big hand in that takeover and if that is the case the man obviously has great business acumen and the respect of people who deal with him. Roman Abramovic is a very powerful and successful man.....he does not deal with mugs. If Trevor Birch can deal with people of that profile then he's obviously very good at what he does.

As for even me being able to flog it, perhaps I could. I am a businessman myself, not a bad one at that. Knowing international trade as I do, anyone that can deal with people of that magnitude is a smart cookie make no bones about it!

You've basically said it all Steel with your commenst above. Abramovic is one of most powerful men in world. If he wants a business he gets it, sod all to do with Birch. I accept Birch may have added some expertise in terms of dealing with debts but that is totally irrelevant when Roman comes knocking, imo

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The key point here is, you have absolutely no idea of the "personality" or how good he is at anything

Nor do you know his past or current relationship with Mr Abramovic.

Other than that, fair point!

How do you know I don't know Trevor?

Come on then Foxy - let's have an opinion on it.

I believe Trevor will have been told by a middle man that Abramovic will be buying Chelsea for £xm in so many days time. Waht do you think.

You've got to remember that this is a forum - surely it goes without saying that I am speculating?

What do you think of Trevor Birch?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

You've basically said it all Steel with your commenst above. Abramovic is one of most powerful men in world. If he wants a business he gets it, sod all to do with Birch. I accept Birch may have added some expertise in terms of dealing with debts but that is totally irrelevant when Roman comes knocking, imo

I beg to differ. No self-respecting and successful businessman will invest in something that isnt being handled by skillful and trustworthy people. There is a lot more to taking over a business than simply slapping your wedge onto the table and buying it because you want it. You need someone strong and intelligent to handle it all.....enter our Trevor. None of what I said is irrelevant to the process and if you know anything about business then I'm sure you know that really.

Sod all to do with Birch? I can only assume that you had a role in that sale as well as you consider that to be fact.

 

[Foxy]

Come on then Foxy - let's have an opinion on it.

I believe Trevor will have been told by a middle man that Abramovic will be buying Chelsea for £xm in so many days time. Waht do you think.

You've got to remember that this is a forum - surely it goes without saying that I am speculating?

What do you think of Trevor Birch?

I've had very little dealings with Trevor other than a few conversations, in which he's come across as a calm, considered and knowledgable individual.

All I really have to go on is his track record.

Funnily enough, I know this is a forum and that you are speculating

I'm just wondering how you reach at an opinion that Abramovic has no clue who he is? given that he was CEO at Chelsea when he came to the club and was the person who introduced him to and set up a initial meeting with Ken Bates.

I agree with your point that he probably didn't have to do much arm twisting as far as Abramovic is concerned... That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing or that Abramovic doesn't know who he is though, does it?

I'd imagine even with Roman's wealth, he'd want to know who was making all the phenominally expensive transfers they got through whilst Birch was CEO

 

[shorehamview]

How do you know I don't know Trevor?

Er, because if you did you'd never tire of telling us all about it?

Do I win £5?

 

[lenners]

I beg to differ. No self-respecting and successful businessman will invest in something that isnt being handled by skillful and trustworthy people. There is a lot more to taking over a business than simply slapping your wedge onto the table and buying it because you want it. You need someone strong and intelligent to handle it all.....enter our Trevor. None of what I said is irrelevant to the process and if you know anything about business then I'm sure you know that really.

Sod all to do with Birch? I can only assume that you had a role in that sale as well as you consider that to be fact.

With respect, when someone with the billions Abramovich has at his disposal comes along, it's a different ball game altogether. One that does involve someone coming along and putting the wedge on the table, job done.
It's what's finally happened at S6. Someone with some money does finally come along and even the fuckwits running the show there can get the job done quickly.
Birch's main impact so far has been to devastate season ticket sales in line with the overal desperate mismanagement of the last few years.
He rarely says anything publicly and now we have the carpet man at the helm, the leadership vacuum is growing.
The difference with what will happen at S6 will be marked but that will be a good thing. One or two will begin to wake up around S2.

 

[Micalijo]

I've had very little dealings with Trevor other than a few conversations, in which he's come across as a calm, considered and knowledgable individual.

All I really have to go on is his track record.

Funnily enough, I know this is a forum and that you are speculating

I'm just wondering how you reach at an opinion that Abramovic has no clue who he is? given that he was CEO at Chelsea when he came to the club and was the person who introduced him to and set up a initial meeting with Ken Bates.

I agree with your point that he probably didn't have to do much arm twisting as far as Abramovic is concerned... That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's doing or that Abramovic doesn't know who he is though, does it?

I'd imagine even with Roman's wealth, he'd want to know who was making all the phenominally expensive transfers they got through whilst Birch was CEO

So basically you agree with me. ie no arm twisting and as above I said Trev will have added expertise re debts? Is that fair.

I accept Trev knows what he is doing.

Steel - disagree with you - as I said above I'm adamant that Roman simply put his wedge on table. I'm not saying he didnt do DD and certainly wouldnt have been ripped off but he wanted Chelsea and in that situation you could have dealt with the sale process. Not the build up in terms of running chelsea but Birch imo had nowt to do with the sale process. Aint ranting or trying to prove owt I can't - just my take on it.

 

[Pinchy]

Birch's main impact so far has been to devastate season ticket sales in line with the overal desperate mismanagement of the last few years.
He rarely says anything publicly and now we have the carpet man at the helm, the leadership vacuum is growing.
The difference with what will happen at S6 will be marked but that will be a good thing. One or two will begin to wake up around S2.

Trevor Birch was not responsible for devastating the season ticket sales: Our former semi-pro, non-league, reserve keeper takes the plaudits for that.

Your obvious admiration for a club-hopping chancer, currently on bail in connection with corrupt practices in football, is interesting to say the least. I suspect more perceptive observers will be a little more circumspect.

 

[lenners]

Trevor Birch was not responsible for devastating the season ticket sales: Our former semi-pro, non-league, reserve keeper takes the plaudits for that.

Your obvious admiration for a club-hopping chancer, currently on bail in connection with corrupt practices in football, is interesting to say the least. I suspect more perceptive observers will be a little more circumspect.

Nah, I just understand how football and fans work. Mandaric will play his part well and no-one in football really cares how clubs are run, where the money comes from or owt else.
You can see it on our own forum. The fact that McCabe owns a Hungarian football club with no benefit to us but benefits to him doesn't matter.
If Mandaric gets done for tax evasion, what do you imagine the authorities will do? Nowt. The fact that a club that has been trading insolvently and denying the public its dues is taken over by a bloke who allegedly evaded tax without anyone batting an eyelid says it all.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Birch's two major decisions were to install Pemberton and sack Blackwell and I'm confident that we will see how important they were in the not to distant future.
Pemberton is already making the world of difference at the academy which is going to be our future given that the wage bill is going to have to be cut to more realistic levels, unless the stay away fans decide to come back of course. If numbers continue to drop the wage bill will have to match, but I have no idea how Len can blame Birch for a fall in numbers comparable to most teams in the league. We've been blessed with some of the cheapest tickets in the league for a long time, coupled with one of the highest wage bills something had to give at some point.

Can't understand all the great press Mandaric is getting, sacking managers left right and centre (8 in just over 3 years), and spending less than a million a season on transfers net during his time as owner at Leicester?
Until the new owners came in and funded these latest loan moves they were looking strong relegation candidates and Mandaric had a strong fan movement wanting him out.

 

[lenners]

Yes Bob, can't wait to see the next good young players to come through.
We could run a sweepstake on how many games before they're sold.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That's how smaller teams have to run Len you sell your assets if you get an overpriced bid in.

Then again we shouldn't of built or kept the academy open should we Len?

Either way Pemberton has been Birch's main impact along with the sacking of the last manager.

 

[lenners]

That's how smaller teams have to run Len you sell your assets if you get an overpriced bid in.

Then again we shouldn't of built or kept the academy open should we Len?

Either way Pemberton has been Birch's main impact along with the sacking of the last manager.

I see, I thought they were about building our team around while all our other revenue streams helped pay the bills.
Must have misunderstood.
Good job we'll be debt free in three years.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

How would you pay the bills Len if other revenue streams aren't covering massive wage bills?

You also ducked the academy issue Len.

Good to see your PC working again though Len.

 

[lenners]

How would you pay the bills Len if other revenue streams aren't covering massive wage bills?

You also ducked the academy issue Len.

FFS Bob. Selling players has helped cover the academy's costs over the last decade. Time for another street party.

 

[Nick Jansky]

FFS Bob. Selling players has helped cover the academy's costs over the last decade. Time for another street party.

So you see no point in us having the Academy then, len?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

FFS Bob. Selling players has helped cover the academy's costs over the last decade. Time for another street party.

The academy will be the future of the club, which is why Pemberton's appointment is important.

The work that Reid has done and Pemberton has taken to the next level is already starting to put us in large profit.
Academy's take at least 10 years to have kids who have come through the entire system and we are seeing the benefits over the past 2-3 years.
Sure it starts as a trickle but I think you can see that youngsters coming through now are technically superior than the ones we've had previously.

 

[raul]

Just give it time Len....

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Just give it time Len....

haha oozing sarcasm.

 

[lenners]

So you see no point in us having the Academy then, len?

I think it's an important social service we provide to the community and it gives an opportunity for good young footballers to quickly develop a career away from SUFC.
Not sure Birch sees it that way but we do need revenue from selling players to make sure he gets well paid for overseeing a collapse in crowds on his watch.
To be honest, I'm seeing very little point in SUFC at all at the current time.
Hopefully slipping behind our friends and becoming underdogs again will rekindle some interest.
At the moment, our owner doesn't give a shit and a large minority of fans feel the same. Why wouldn't they.

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The academy will be the future of the club, which is why Pemberton's appointment is important.

The work that Reid has done and Pemberton has taken to the next level is already starting to put us in large profit.
Academy's take at least 10 years to have kids who have come through the entire system and we are seeing the benefits over the past 2-3 years.
Sure it starts as a trickle but I think you can see that youngsters coming through now are technically superior than the ones we've had previously.

Bob, it doesn't matter. Hopefully they'll go on to good careers at better-run clubs but it won't be here, will it.

 

[raul]

The academy will be the future of the club, which is why Pemberton's appointment is important.

The work that Reid has done and Pemberton has taken to the next level is already starting to put us in large profit.
Academy's take at least 10 years to have kids who have come through the entire system and we are seeing the benefits over the past 2-3 years.
Sure it starts as a trickle but I think you can see that youngsters coming through now are technically superior than the ones we've had previously.

Who are the players better than the Kyles Bob? And if they are, why aren't they playing??

Tbh I don't think the Academy model actually works, not just ours. It's noble and worthy ideal, but outside of Crewe (Dario G basically) and Fergie getting lucky with one particular crop I can't think of a single one which has fulfilled the idea of filling your first team with home growns at a club with serious designs on success rather than existence.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

...I can't think of a single one which has fulfilled the idea of filling your first team with home growns at a club with serious designs on success rather than existence.

Middlesborough did OK from their academy. Thats 1.

 

[raul]

So why they below us then Dunc?

 

[silverfox]

To be honest, I'm seeing very little point in SUFC at all at the current time.

It's a good job some others do though.

Otherwise you would have nothing to post about at all.

 

[shorehamview]

It's a good job some others do though.

Otherwise you would have nothing to post about at all.

Yes, but we don't get that little jiggle of excitement when something goes wrong. We don't get that perverse enjoyment from uttering "See, I'm right, about everything, all the time" that certain posters get. We don't feel the need to ram our opinions in other's faces as "fact". We have lives away from all the doom and gloom.

Some others obviously don't.