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WalthamstowBlade said:
In his first half season he took us from flirting with relegation to flirting with lay offs. Next season he took us to the play off final.
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And as I said before, any competent manager would have taken us up. The 2nd season Brum limped over the line and an automatic spot was there for the taking. Blackwell's cowardly, negative hoofball cost us the 2nd spot and the play off final.
 



I think i preferred this thread when it was funny youtube videos.

I can't be arsed to comment on the football as olle is clearly just fishing with you lot.
 
Darren said:
You do talk a load of nonsense. Blackwell is "totally and utterly inept" is he? If thats what you think of him, how would you describe Haslam, Peters, McEwan, Bruce, Heath etc etc

The football under Blackwell wasn't attractive but he did a reasonable job at a difficult time in the club's history. The 2009-10 team was not brilliant (which apparently you agree with - see the Ipswich argument) but we still managed 8th place.

Inept? Really?
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Kettle and black. Stick to stats and results, rather than offering opinions.

See my comments to Walthy - The team he had in 2008/2009 was a very good one and a more competent manager would have taken us up. We had the best team in the league and almost certainly the highest wage bill. A massive opportunity missed by cowardly, negative hoof. As for the rest of your argument. The wage bill would tell you differently.
 
Ollessendro said:
And as I said before, any competent manager would have taken us up. The 2nd season Brum limped over the line and an automatic spot was there for the taking. Blackwell's cowardly, negative hoofball cost us the 2nd spot and the play off final.
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You really should have a look at the facts before engaging brain. On 21st Feb with 13 games to go we were in 5th place, 8 points off 2nd place Birmingham. We then went on a magnificent run, made up that gap and on the last day narrowly failed to get that 2nd place.

It seems to me that it was Blackwell's "negative hoofball" that made up that 8 point gap
 
Bladesway said:
People talk about his "style" but I don't remember there being a problem in the first season and a half of his reign. It was only when he had the rug pulled that he reverted to type. I remember being at Charlton away when we whooped them 5-2 and the style was about as good as I ever saw it.
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This was what made it all the more frustrating. Seeing what we could and should have been doing. We spanked Charlton and in style. I also remember us playing Birmingham off the park at Bramall Lane, that game against preston where we ran riot and Dingle Howard helping us to convincingly beat Reading at their place. However that made the pill even harder to swallow with some of the negative, pathetic, hoofball performances we saw most of the rest of time.

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Darren said:
You really should have a look at the facts before engaging brain. On 21st Feb with 13 games to go we were in 5th place, 8 points off 2nd place Birmingham. We then went on a magnificent run, made up that gap and on the last day narrowly failed to get that 2nd place.

It seems to me that it was Blackwell's "negative hoofball" that made up that 8 point gap
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brain was engaged mucker. He had the whole season. We actually played quite well in that period (after he begrudgingly started playing Coterill) but when it came to the crunch (QPR away, Forrest at home, Burnley away, Palace away and the play off final) his negative hoofball and lack of plan B cost us big time. In the first half of the season (something you neglect to look at) he had Tongue and Beattie at his disposal.

Funny how you have not come back to me on us having the biggest wage bill and best team. But I can see your line of argument. Where is the evidence we had the highest wage bill and it is your subjective (definition of good) opinion that we were the best team (and much better than Birmingham).
 
Ollessendro said:
Funny how you have not come back to me on us having the biggest wage bill and best team. But I can see your line of argument. Where is the evidence we had the highest wage bill and it is your subjective (definition of good) opinion that we were the best team (and much better than Birmingham).
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Seems a good argument to me. Where is your evidence that we had the highest wage bill in the league?
 
>You also want a team that wins
it must be a british thing.. the england rugby team are the same.. they're good at beating up inferior opposition but against the big boys they usually flunk it.. plus the entertaining 'style' happens to be the most successful one so it isn't a case of entertainment vs success.. entertainment => success.. see barca, manutd, spain, holland for further details..
as for blackwell.. he blundered on the most successful defense in years by accident and then played italian style football .. everyone was happy whilst we were winning 2-0 but you soon lose the fans if you starting losing when your chairman offloads 4 out of 5 defensive members.. bottom line is people will put up with great play.. win.. or crap play.. win but not crap play.. lose
 
Ollessendro said:
This was what made it all the more frustrating. Seeing what we could and should have been doing. We spanked Charlton and in style. I also remember us playing Birmingham off the park at Bramall Lane, that game against preston where we ran riot and Dingle Howard helping us to convincingly beat Reading at their place. However that made the pill even harder to swallow with some of the negative, pathetic, hoofball performances we saw most of the rest of time.

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brain was engaged mucker. He had the whole season. We actually played quite well in that period (after he begrudgingly started playing Coterill) but when it came to the crunch (QPR away, Forrest at home, Burnley away, Palace away and the play off final) his negative hoofball and lack of plan B cost us big time. In the first half of the season (something you neglect to look at) he had Tongue and Beattie at his disposal.

Funny how you have not come back to me on us having the biggest wage bill and best team. But I can see your line of argument. Where is the evidence we had the highest wage bill and it is your subjective (definition of good) opinion that we were the best team (and much better than Birmingham).
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The Crunch? How about the crucial game at Arch promtion rivals Reading on April 10th when we played really well and won 1-0? Was that an inept performance? And how about giving KB credit for overcoming the loss of our best player in Jan and turning us into automatic promotion contenders. And by the way, Tonge went after 4 games in August.

As for your last para. You're right, unsupported subjective assertions are not worth responding to.

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Highbury_Blade said:
Seems a good argument to me. Where is your evidence that we had the highest wage bill in the league?
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After Beattie went I suspect we had no more than the 4th or 5th highest wage bill, if that. But, again, I have no evidence.
 
Ollessendro said:
Kettle and black. Stick to stats and results, rather than offering opinions....
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According to Wikipedia the most successful managers of the last thirty years talking in percentage of games won are Spackman - 46.51%, Porterfield - 43.36% and Blackwell - 43.33%. So he's not the best, but he's far from "totally inept". Better win percentage than Kendall, Speed, Warnock, Bruce and Bassett. (Not Wilson - I've not included his stats as they are still ongoing.)

Admittedly his style of football wasn't very exciting, but you don't want to discuss that, as the above quote states. So just the stats and results, which of course make no mention of a victory being a stylish romp to victory or a mind-numbing grind to the finish, which are just opinions.....
 
shorehamview said:
According to Wikipedia the most successful managers of the last thirty years talking in percentage of games won are Spackman - 46.51%, Porterfield - 43.36% and Blackwell - 43.33%. So he's not the best, but he's far from "totally inept". Better win percentage than Kendall, Speed, Warnock, Bruce, Bassett, but not Wilson.

Admittedly his style of football wasn't very exciting, but you don't want to discuss that, as the above quote states. So just the stats and results, which of course make no mention of a victory being a stylish romp to victory or a mind-numbing grind to the finish, which are just opinions.....
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I wouldn't trust that. It reckons Wilson has won 7 out of 9!
 
Ollessendro said:
Kendall played to win that game. Andy Walker was on the bench and was just about to come on for extra time. I am convinced he would have scored had Hopkin not. Kendall was unlucky that Hopkin hit a wonder strike. Everything just wnet wrong on the day for Kendall (Katchouro knackered, Hutchinson stretchered off after 10 mins) and although Blackwell had injuries to put up with, we never even tried to win that game.
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So when its Blackwell its because hes the worst manager in the history of the universe but when its Kendall, well, its just bad luck?

In truth Kendall made some mistakes and Blackwell had some bad luck. As I say, the sensible, moderate and honest position.
 



shorehamview said:
I knew there was something weird about you! Not the politics or any of that bollocks. No, it's far, far darker than that.

You are a Trekkie! Weird beyond belief.:D
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I know, I know. I dont even like Voyager, but shed give a dog a bone.
 
Ecco_Blade said:
For me it was the abysmal style of play he brought in. I've never been as bored (in over 30 years) watching The Blades as I was when he was in charge and its the nearest I've come to stopping going to the games - even when we won it was a mind numbing experience most of the time.

Some people say results are all that counts, but when it gets to the stage that you wake up on a Saturday morning and think damn we're at home today, then something is wrong.

Yes, of course with the four managers you mentioned results wise he was the best, but entertainment wise he was a dead loss for me.
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Spot on ecco lad. Wanting United to lose was a very unpleasant experience.
 
Yep - the 3-0 defeat to QPR brought great and joyous celebrations to many thousands who were there to witness it - not me unfortunately but I had a great night! Did you?
 
shorehamview said:
According to Wikipedia the most successful managers of the last thirty years talking in percentage of games won are Spackman - 46.51%, Porterfield - 43.36% and Blackwell - 43.33%. So he's not the best, but he's far from "totally inept". Better win percentage than Kendall, Speed, Warnock, Bruce and Bassett. (Not Wilson - I've not included his stats as they are still ongoing.)

Admittedly his style of football wasn't very exciting, but you don't want to discuss that, as the above quote states. So just the stats and results, which of course make no mention of a victory being a stylish romp to victory or a mind-numbing grind to the finish, which are just opinions.....
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Geez. Read the rest of the thread. He had one of the best teams any Blades manager has had to work with, a fantastic defence and a huge wage bill. Any mug (other than Brian Robson) could have done what he did.

Darren said:
The Crunch? How about the crucial game at Arch promtion rivals Reading on April 10th when we played really well and won 1-0? Was that an inept performance? And how about giving KB credit for overcoming the loss of our best player in Jan and turning us into automatic promotion contenders. And by the way, Tonge went after 4 games in August.

As for your last para. You're right, unsupported subjective assertions are not worth responding to.After Beattie went I suspect we had no more than the 4th or 5th highest wage bill, if that. But, again, I have no evidence.
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I highlighted Reading in my response to Bladesway. These kind of results made things all the more frustrating.

Even after BT went we had Morgs, Killa, Naysmith, Hendrie, Carney, Henderson, Speed, Halford, Quinn, Monty and Kenny all on big contracts. Howard and Cotterill will have been on a fair buck and then KB wasted money on loan signings such as Lupoli, O'Toole and (Craig) Beattie.

Highbury_Blade said:
Seems a good argument to me. Where is your evidence that we had the highest wage bill in the league?
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See above. Plus McCabe's comments. After drastic cost cutting McCabe stated we had one of the highest wage bills in the Championship at the fans forum the next season. Only (newly relegated) Boro, Newcastle and West Brom higher.
 
I thought we'd established McCabe was a lying thieving swindling twat of the highest order?

Why should anyone believe his comments? How would he know the wage bills of his competitors? Why wouldn't Reading, Birmingham and Derby have higher wage bills or similar than ours?

Even after BT went we had Morgs, Killa, Naysmith, Hendrie, Carney, Henderson, Speed, Halford, Quinn, Monty and Kenny all on big contracts. Howard and Cotterill will have been on a fair buck and then KB wasted money on loan signings such as Lupoli, O'Toole and (Craig) Beattie.
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Looking back i'm amazed he got that team to the playoffs. Extremely slow and very little creativity. Of course, part of that was down to his purchases..
 
"He had one of the best teams any Blades manager has had to work with, a fantastic defence and a huge wage bill"

The huge wage bill is a discussion point. Whilst there's no doubt we had a huge wagebill, it was huge because Robson had spunked vast salaries on average ageing players like Speed, Hendrie, Naysmith etc. I don't think the quality of players gave us any right to demand promotion, but the level of wage bill might have us believe we should.

UTB
 
Highbury_Blade said:
I thought we'd established McCabe was a lying thieving swindling twat of the highest order?

Why should anyone believe his comments? How would he know the wage bills of his competitors? Why wouldn't Reading, Birmingham and Derby have higher wage bills or similar than ours?

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Looking back i'm amazed he got that team to the playoffs. Extremely slow and very little creativity. Of course, part of that was down to his purchases..
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Never said anything of the sort about McCabe. I have criticised him for making some shocking decisions and having very little nouss when making footballing decisions, but nothing abut swivelling and thieving.

Just look at the squads they had and make the comparisons.

As for lack of pace: Naughton, Coterill and Kilgallon were pretty quick. Similarly Quinn, Hendrie, Coterill and Halford could all create chances. The part you have missed is that we had by far the best defence in the league. Hence Blackwell's negativity working and a massive part in him doing as well as he did.
 



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