A few observations from the stats (Wilder/Selles)

[Coolblade]

Upon being asked for material player and teams stat differences between Selles v Wilder, see below; with apologies it’s also on the Derby stats thread. And to be honest there’s not much we couldn’t tell from watching the games!​

Comparing player stats Selles vs Wilder is tricky because:

• the team materially changed just before Wilder’s return as we signed multiple players immediately before Ipswich (Tanganga, Mee, McGuinness etc); and others have departed (Robbo) or been injured (Hamer)
• both managers have extensively used squad rotation, resulted in insufficient data for most players

Looking at a few who have been used throughout, both Campbell and O’Hare’s stats have remained relatively constant, Campbell consistently non-engaged, O’Hare consistently our most involved creative talent.

Taking another example, Peck, since's Wilder’s return:

• his duel success rate has improved slightly, benefiting from Wilder's more aggressive and pressing style.
• defensive contributions, such as tackles and interceptions, have increased, showing Wilder’s emphasis on intensity.
• our overall defensive organisation remains problematic, with higher goals conceded, and Peck's individual defensive metrics reflect this, with more challenges under pressure.
• his offensive stats (key passes, shots) remain low, consistent with his predominantly defensive midfield role.

So Peck’s key stats have improved somewhat in defensive duels and intensity since the managerial change, but his attacking contributions remain limited, consistent with his role.

As for team stats:

Metric	Sellés (6 matches) — average per match	Wilder (8 matches) — average per match
Possession (%)	58.0%. (Matches: 73.8, 44.3, 61.5, 52.6, 52.9, 63.0).	52.5%. (Matches: 43.9, 48.2, 61.6, 40.1, 48.8, 54.2, 62.3, 60.8).
Shot attempts (total)	12.17	10.88
Shots on target (per match)	2.17	3.25
Corners (for)	8.33	6.63
xG	0.65	1.05
xA	1.8	1.6
Touch opp box	32	41
Key passes	9	11
PPDA (pressing)	12.8	10.4
Duel success	44.8	49.

xG : Selles mixed: Bristol (xG ~2.35) while we still lost; Ipswich match xG showed Ipswich ~2.09 vs ~0.42. Sellés era showed poor chance quality despite possession. Wilder still mixed : Oxford win was low xG / low-event; some Wilder matches show more shots on target and more clinical finishing (e.g. Blackburn 3–1 had higher conversion

Possession down under Wilder: Sellés’ team averaged more possession in the opening six defeats. We tended to dominate the ball but did not convert possession into chances of high quality (see low shots on target and low xG in several matches). Example: Ipswich we had more possession but Ipswich created much more xG (2.1 vs 0.42) and punished them.

Shots on target rose under Wilder: we have produced more on-target shots per game on average, even if total shot attempts are slightly lower. That usually indicates better shot selection / more direct finishing.

Selles’ team: we controlled the ball more on average but created fewer on-target shots and produced low xG in several matches which led to dominant possession but poor chance quality.

Wilder’s team: we had less possession but more shots on target and slightly better game outcomes (wins / cleaner defensive results in several matches). Wilder’s approach so far has traded some possession for more direct / higher-quality offensive output and slightly better results.

But we are still miles off where we need to be, in all aspects!

 

[Bell4]

So basically

We’re desperate for a shag

 

[Bladesman]

Upon being asked for material player and teams stat differences between Selles v Wilder, see below; with apologies it’s also on the Derby stats thread. And to be honest there’s not much we couldn’t tell from watching the games!​

Comparing player stats Selles vs Wilder is tricky because:

• the team materially changed just before Wilder’s return as we signed multiple players immediately before Ipswich (Tanganga, Mee, McGuinness etc); and others have departed (Robbo) or been injured (Hamer)
• both managers have extensively used squad rotation, resulted in insufficient data for most players

Looking at a few who have been used throughout, both Campbell and O’Hare’s stats have remained relatively constant, Campbell consistently non-engaged, O’Hare consistently our most involved creative talent.

Taking another example, Peck, since's Wilder’s return:

• his duel success rate has improved slightly, benefiting from Wilder's more aggressive and pressing style.
• defensive contributions, such as tackles and interceptions, have increased, showing Wilder’s emphasis on intensity.
• our overall defensive organisation remains problematic, with higher goals conceded, and Peck's individual defensive metrics reflect this, with more challenges under pressure.
• his offensive stats (key passes, shots) remain low, consistent with his predominantly defensive midfield role.

So Peck’s key stats have improved somewhat in defensive duels and intensity since the managerial change, but his attacking contributions remain limited, consistent with his role.

As for team stats:

Metric	Sellés (6 matches) — average per match	Wilder (8 matches) — average per match
Possession (%)	58.0%. (Matches: 73.8, 44.3, 61.5, 52.6, 52.9, 63.0).	52.5%. (Matches: 43.9, 48.2, 61.6, 40.1, 48.8, 54.2, 62.3, 60.8).
Shot attempts (total)	12.17	10.88
Shots on target (per match)	2.17	3.25
Corners (for)	8.33	6.63
xG	0.65	1.05
xA	1.8	1.6
Touch opp box	32	41
Key passes	9	11
PPDA (pressing)	12.8	10.4
Duel success	44.8	49.

xG : Selles mixed: Bristol (xG ~2.35) while we still lost; Ipswich match xG showed Ipswich ~2.09 vs ~0.42. Sellés era showed poor chance quality despite possession. Wilder still mixed : Oxford win was low xG / low-event; some Wilder matches show more shots on target and more clinical finishing (e.g. Blackburn 3–1 had higher conversion

Possession down under Wilder: Sellés’ team averaged more possession in the opening six defeats. We tended to dominate the ball but did not convert possession into chances of high quality (see low shots on target and low xG in several matches). Example: Ipswich we had more possession but Ipswich created much more xG (2.1 vs 0.42) and punished them.

Shots on target rose under Wilder: we have produced more on-target shots per game on average, even if total shot attempts are slightly lower. That usually indicates better shot selection / more direct finishing.

Selles’ team: we controlled the ball more on average but created fewer on-target shots and produced low xG in several matches which led to dominant possession but poor chance quality.

Wilder’s team: we had less possession but more shots on target and slightly better game outcomes (wins / cleaner defensive results in several matches). Wilder’s approach so far has traded some possession for more direct / higher-quality offensive output and slightly better results.

But we are still miles off where we need to be, in all aspects!

Those errors by Peck are the reason he needs dropping, no one ever questions the lads effort. He puts himself about but even against QPR he was getting brushed off the ball so easily and struggled to win the ball back. He has also adopted the annoying sideways pass that Norwood did when he was in decline for us.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Those errors by Peck are the reason he needs dropping, no one ever questions the lads effort. He puts himself about but even against QPR he was getting brushed off the ball so easily and struggled to win the ball back. He has also adopted the annoying sideways pass that Norwood did when he was in decline for us.

Said it time and time again, his inability to break the lines either by passing it or him running through, is seriously hampering us. Tom Davies vs QPR was at least trying to be positive (yes he lost the ball some of the time)!!

 

[Bladesman]

Said it time and time again, his inability to break the lines either by passing it or him running through, is seriously hampering us. Tom Davies vs QPR was at least trying to be positive (yes he lost the ball some of the time)!!

Davies takes risks but when he loses the ball its usually at the edge of the opposition penalty box rather than near ours.

 

[Gin&Juice]

I get the sense from reading this. We could do with joint managers with polar opposite views on the game?

Someone grab Roy Evans from the after dinner circuit and revive Gerard Houllier from the dead.