A day out in North London: Ollessendro's Watford experience

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Sheffield United were subjected to another away defeat when they travelled to Middlesex. In a bizare game Watford out 3 goals past the luckless Blades in a game that was spolit by the referee. United were one down when the referee hasrshly sent off two United players within minutes of each other. The 9 men Blades battled hard, but Watford used their advantage to score another two times and put more misery on United.

Ollessendro's thoughts

The referee spoilt was was looking like a potential decent football contest. The sendings off were harsh and it ruined the game. Watford went on to win easily, but even there fans were disappointed with how things turned out. They were happy to take 3 points, but were disappointed that the game was not a contest. United battled hard, but one goal down and down to 9 men we were never in the game.

What more can I say? It really was not a contest.

I was really looking forward to this one too. I was not going to go, but our lass was ill so I sneaked off. I texted a Watford fan who is a mate of mine and arranged to meet him for a drink. When I left my house it was beautiful sunshine and I had just a t-shirt on. It was a really nice Spring day as I got the train up North (I live in South West London). Unfortuantely I got on a train full of Palace fans. They were heading to Loftus Road and were making a lot of noise. Luckily they did not notice my shirt (I had a yellow and brown 1970's away shirt on) and they got off at Shepards Bush. There was another United fan on the train (coming up from Southampton) and we got chatting. We were both confident. I sank 4 beers in the sunshine before the game and was well up for it. I thought we had a good chance of winning and was hoping we would take the confidence from Tuesday into the game. It was shaping up to be a good contest before a combination of United's wankness (Collins) and the referee's incompetence ruined the game.

That was the final nail in the coffin for me. I have been expecting us to get relegated for a while, but today finally settled it for me. The Forrest game gave a tiny spark of hope, but it was snuffed out today. I am completely prepared for life in League One now.

The game

Both teams started quite brightly and there were chances straight away. The Blades were up for it after their midweek victory and Henderson put in a cross from the left that was cleared. Montgomery had to head away moments later. Suddenly, after 10 minutes, Watford took the lead out of the blue.

There seemed little danger as a cross came in from the right hand side. Collins was in front of his man and had time to clear. Everyone was expecting him to blast it out for a corner, but he horrendously sliced his clearance and it flew straight towards the United goal. A surprised Simmonsen did well to save it, but the ball fell to JENKINS to head home fro close range. Jenkins will not scire an easier goal. It was a soft goal and a gift to Watford. Exactly what you don't need when you are in a relegation battle. Shocking defending from Collins.

Minutes later Henderson and Taylor were tussling for the ball and the United forward was penalised and then cautioned. It seemed to me that 6ft 5in Taylor was all over Henderson and it should have been a Blades free kick. Instead the referee gave a free kick to Watford and also booked the United striker. It was bizare and clearly a case of Henderson's reputation getting in the way. Henderson and Taylor were having a decent battle and Henderson got unfairly penalised several times before the booking. The Watford players did not even appeal for the foul. It was a harsh booking.

United had a succession of chances, but failed to test the keeper. Vokes headed wide and then moments later fired across the face of goal. Then suddenly United were redced to 10 men.

A corner was cleared and then put back into the box. Henderson seemed to go for the ball and caught Hodson a little late. It was a 50 50 ball and the defender just beat Hendo to it. I actually though Hedno might get there first and score, but it was a good piece of brave defending. There didn't seem any malice in the challenge, but the ref opted to book Henderson and it being his second yellow he was off. It seemed like a harsh sending off. To be honest, the referee seemed out to get Henderson from the start and was looking to send him off.

Moments later United were reduced to 9 men and the game was over. I missed the incident, so it is difficult to comment. I was so pissed off with the referee that I was one of the cunts who went down to the front and shouted abuse at the referee. I was still shouting abuse (and not watching) when the referee brandish a straight red for Williamson. Most around me thought it was a soft sending off and a yellow card at most. I gather him and the defender jumoed for the ball and Williamson was a little late. Again, (apparently) there was no malice. Still the referee gave Williamson a straight red and sent him for an early bath. Kris Camara said the sending off was very harsh and it was barely a booking.

The game was over at this point, though United hung on at 1-0 down until half time.

Watford came out second half and did a very porfessional job. They were patient and got their reward. They passed the ball well and waited till the United players were knackered to out us to bed. They passed it around and then exploited the gaps. United had little of the ball and although Vokes worked hard, we had no real outlet playing 4-3-1. Watford just came straight back at us.

Watford got their second around the hour mark when TAYLOR scored from close range. Watford were excerting a lot of pressure and had several chances. A cross came in from Cowie and Thompshon heded goalwards. Simmonsen pulled off a good save, tipping the ball onto the bar. However it fell to the big centre back and Taylor tapped it into the net.

Evans replaced Vokes and then United made a double subsitution with Yeates and Bogdanovic coming on for Monty and Quinn. However it had little impact upon the game and Watford continued to dominate.

In last few minutes Watford got their third when JENKINS headed past Simmonsen. A good cross from Eustace was met powerfully by Jenkins to score. He got in front of his man (Nos I think) and did well to put the header in the top corner.

Adams tactics

It is difficult to say about tactics, as the game was ruined by the referee, but what the fuck was Adams doing making al those changes. He started Henderon despite having Boogdanovic and Evans fit. He played Williamson out on the right and left cloggers Monty and Doyle in the middle. I can only presume that Lowton was injured and that is why Nos started.

I thought Adams got it wrong (again) but this might be harsh as the ref spoilt the game.

Player ratings

This is difficult, as the players were up against it. Rather than do ratings for all I will just make a few comments.

SS - generally pretty solid and kept us in the game (well not that we were ever really in it) but his lack of presence in the area continues. He came for one cross and completely missed it.

Collins - not good enough. Fuck off. The guy is very poor and has cost us time and time again. He is slow, terrible on the ball and just poor at defending. His sliced clearance that lead to the goal was embarassing. I have no idea how he is a proffessional footballer. I don' even know if he will be good enough in League One.

Mattock, Nos and Lowry did ok. They looked fairly solid, but still sruggled a little under pressure. I would probably play them with Ertl (maybe dropping Nos for Lowton).

Monty and Quinn worked hard, but were not really in the game.

Doyle was piss poor again and is not good enough at this level. He offers nothing going forward and is off the pace. Perhaps I am being harsh, as Monty and Quinn were not in the game, but the guy just makes up numbers (to me). Another poor signing by Adams. Perhaps he will do a job in League One, but he got dicked today.

Vokes worked really hard, but got little joy. He will be a decnt player in a few years. His work rate is good and he is a presence.

Watford

Credit to Watford. Sure it was not a contest, but they are a good side. They get the ball oon the deck and try and play. Even when it was 11 vs 11, they looked good. They played some good football and one touch passing. It shows it can be done and it was nice to see some tippy tappy, compared to our hoofs. Don't get me wrong, they are not Barcelona, but I like their philosophy. They try to play.

They have a young team that is hungry. They lack a bit of disciplined and are experienced, but they are a decent outfit. They have a wage cap at £5k a week and it shows. They have a good model (something we could learn from) and have made some good signings from the lower league and Scottish football. Credit to Mackay for instilling a footballing philosophy and for doing what he has done.

Atmosphere

The home support was piss poor. I think they were almost embarrased at the sendings off and how easy it was. There 11k fans did not make a peep all game. Conversely the United fans were brilliant.

Over a thousand off us really made some noise. We outsang Watford for the whole game. In the sedond half the suport was immense. When we got the 'Micky Adams Read and White Army ... SUFC' chant going it was awesome. I think the sendings off and apparent injustice made us stand up together and were really got behind the team. The ironic chants of 'off, off', off' after every foul (including our own players) were funny and even Watford fans after the game commented on the hillarity of it.

Disgusted: Despite the awesome support by Blades fans (in the face of adversity) I though booing their injured defender was shocking. I understand the frustration, but that was bang out of order. I was embarrassed by that. We are not fucking animals. The sending off was harsh. The referee deserved abuse. Their wanker keeper deserved abuse for winding the United fans up and kissing his badge. HOWEVER, that poor lad was badly injured and got stretchered off. Booing him and jeering him was pathetic. Anyone who did that should hang your head in shame. Absolute cunts. Can you imagine the Port Vale fans booing Whitehouse off after he got nailed in 1997/1998? He was clearly badly injured. Bad form United fans.
 



How can anyone say the sending off's were harsh they were stupid tackles, leaving one lad with a broken ankle. Yes adams got it wrong AGAIN it is time for him to fuck off and we can build again but in league one. Not the man to take us forward.
 
How can anyone say the sending off's were harsh?

Well the Watford boss said that Willo's sending off was harsh and should have been a yellow. This is quite obvious from the replay.

To give Mackay his full quote though, he did also say the Hendo challenge should have been a straight red. Early reports of a break for the Watford player have been talked down since incidentally.
 
Just seen the second sending off on tv. Yellow card at the most. He was late but ffs it's a contact sport. It was nothing more than the old fashioned shoulder barge.
 
How can anyone say the sending off's were harsh they were stupid tackles, leaving one lad with a broken ankle. Yes adams got it wrong AGAIN it is time for him to fuck off and we can build again but in league one. Not the man to take us forward.

Just telling it as I saw it Dave (from the stand). No red and white tinted spectacles, no video replays, no hihglights, just my view from Row D of the stand.

The consensus is that Williamsons was a yellow at most. To send him off after he just 'harshly' (again, my opinion) sent off anothe player a minute before was ludicrous. I did not see a replay off Hendersons tackle. It seemed to me that he was going for the ball and there was no mailice. Perhaps I am wrong. Howevcer the furst yellow was ridiculous. Taylor was all over Henderson and it seemed a foul to United, rather than Watford. To book Henderson for getting fouled was bizare.

I stick to my guns until I have reason to change (a video replay may do this). My opinion is that both sendings off were harsh.
 
agree with youOlle.Iwasthere andat the time,I thought Hendo was clearly going to the ball but good defending beat himto the ball. Maybe a foul but not abooking.Agree with you re the first booking also.

Seen this incident and the Willo one on Sky and it I haven't changed my view. The thing that really pissed me off was that the ref was giving fouls against the Watford players for incident simlar or worse to the initial Hendo booking but never showed a card to them.letting the Watford players
 
Just telling it as I saw it Dave (from the stand). No red and white tinted spectacles, no video replays, no hihglights, just my view from Row D of the stand.

The consensus is that Williamsons was a yellow at most. To send him off after he just 'harshly' (again, my opinion) sent off anothe player a minute before was ludicrous. I did not see a replay off Hendersons tackle. It seemed to me that he was going for the ball and there was no mailice. Perhaps I am wrong. Howevcer the furst yellow was ridiculous. Taylor was all over Henderson and it seemed a foul to United, rather than Watford. To book Henderson for getting fouled was bizare.

I stick to my guns until I have reason to change (a video replay may do this). My opinion is that both sendings off were harsh.

I listened to BladesPlayer yesterday and Keith Edwards made this point about Hendo's red card. Hendo was late with his challenge, but the ball was loose and he had to go for it, as it was a goal scoring opportunity, in his opinion. Edwards also referred to an incident away at Bolton in 84, when he stooped to head a goal and got a boot in the head and 6 stitches. The ref took no action against the defender, presumably because Edwards had scored and , tough luck that the defender had been late and caught him with a boot. Edwards apparently argued this case in the press room at half-time that the defender would get the benefit of the doubt.

So, with that in mind, if Hendo had got his foot to the ball first yesterday and poked it home and the defender had caught him late and put him out of the game, would he have received a card? Make up your own minds on that one.
 
Seen both red cards on tv. Both looked harsh but both were fucking stupid challenges by Hendo & Williamson. And let's not forget we were already losing thanks to yet more abysmal defending so we can't blame it all on the ref.
 
Just telling it as I saw it Dave (from the stand). No red and white tinted spectacles, no video replays, no hihglights, just my view from Row D of the stand.

The consensus is that Williamsons was a yellow at most. To send him off after he just 'harshly' (again, my opinion) sent off anothe player a minute before was ludicrous. I did not see a replay off Hendersons tackle. It seemed to me that he was going for the ball and there was no mailice. Perhaps I am wrong. Howevcer the furst yellow was ridiculous. Taylor was all over Henderson and it seemed a foul to United, rather than Watford. To book Henderson for getting fouled was bizare.

I stick to my guns until I have reason to change (a video replay may do this). My opinion is that both sendings off were harsh.

Video reply as you say may change your mind. IMO the hendo lunge was a disgrace and a straight red again IMO. So when a kid leaves on a stretcher then it wasn't a great challenge. Adams got it wrong from the start neither player should have started. I don't think the ref was 100% to blame in ruining what could have been a good game. Also Willo never went for the ball and if that was the other way round and a Watford player had gone i don't think we would be saying it was harsh on them. Both players should have been man managed better. We are as good as down now so the clearout needs to start, starting with the manager.
 
No arguments about hendo's second yellow, but can't tell you about the first. Willo's was clear that he went to play the man not the ball, but should have got a yellow in my book.
 
changing the team from a winning outfit doesn't make any sense at all.. williamson is totally wasted on the right.. he hates it there.. you can tell by his body language.. all to fit in his (MA's) mate doyle who is useless.. another pathetic mistake by collins.. he loses us a goal a game.. he makes noz look like cannavaro.. i've never bought into this 'aah but our mickey is a blade' bollocks.. the guy is out of his depth.. embarrasing.. henderson is a total liability.. we should pay off his contract and fuck him off.. he is an embarrassment to the shirt and constantly bringing the club into disrepute.. it might not have been a foul but with his reputation he has to be careful.. all of this 'he never does anything wrong, wouldn't hurt a fly' stuff sounds like a mother defending her son on tv..
i've officially given up now. that's it.
 
From the position he was in, all Collins had to do was be professional and stick his leg out and tap it behind. However, useless twat that he is, he went for the Row z option, and ended up with some serious egg on his face.

Good reflexes by simmo though! Sadly for him the ball was tucked in by the Watford player, who was left totally unmarked by the other useless shithouse that we have in defence, Nyron Fucking Nosworthy.
 
If they were sending offs football isn't the contact sport I've always loved. Both were seriously pathetic decisions.
 



Just watched the highlights:

- Collins on our first goals was pathetic. Nos was also asleep (but this may be harsh as Collins should have dealt with).
- Henderson's challenge was probably a booking. He had every right to go for the ball, but was a little late. I think any other player would not have been sent off though. The ref was gunning for Hendo yesterday. However the first was not (although not on video) and to send him off after 30 mins for two incidents was harsh. He could have given him a warning, or benefit of the doubt. Harsh sending still in my mind.
- Williamsons was never a sending off. Yellow at maost. It was a stupid challenge and showed ill discipline. However it was not particularly malicous. I even think a yellow would have been a little harsh. You would see 20 of those tackles go without punishment in the 70's. I thought football was a contact sport. A red was ludicrous. Very harsh.
- Their third and it was Nos who got easily beat.
 
I'm not sure you can blame defenders too much when the team is 2 men down. there are always going to be gaps opening up.

Hendersons challenge was worth a booking you say? Well, that's what he got? Pity for him that he'd already got one. Can't comment on the first booking, but if he does another bookable challenge whilst he's already on a yellow, then the ref has got to send him off.
 
I wasn't there but hearing about the booing of the defender being stretchered off was embarrassing and I'm sure some of those booing were some of the people calling the Leicester fans scum for the booing of mattock. Bad times.
 
I wasn't there but hearing about the booing of the defender being stretchered off was embarrassing and I'm sure some of those booing were some of the people calling the Leicester fans scum for the booing of mattock. Bad times.

Aye, that's properly depressing to hear. You've really got to be a colossal twat to abuse someone on a stretcher. Never seen it until Leicester fans did it to Mattock. Now some of ours do the same? :(
 
Seen the sendings off, and I reckon they were harsh. Hendo's second yellow was unfortunate in that he had a goal scoring opportunity, and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. Williamson's was a joke, barely a yellow card IMO.
 
I'm not sure you can blame defenders too much when the team is 2 men down. there are always going to be gaps opening up.

Hendersons challenge was worth a booking you say? Well, that's what he got? Pity for him that he'd already got one. Can't comment on the first booking, but if he does another bookable challenge whilst he's already on a yellow, then the ref has got to send him off.

Collins mistake was when we had 11 men. His slice is indefensible. Nos let his man get infront of him and score. Nothing to do with gaps. He was marking him and the player got in fron, won the header and scored. It was a good atacking header, but someone with Nosworthy's experience should be disappointed to be beaten that easily.

The second Hendo booking was border line yellow. A referee with common sense would have warned him. Especially as it was seconds after the first booking. The first booking came from a Watford player fouling Henderson. It was ludicrous. A harsh sending off.

Seen the sendings off, and I reckon they were harsh. Hendo's second yellow was unfortunate in that he had a goal scoring opportunity, and should have been given the benefit of the doubt. Williamson's was a joke, barely a yellow card IMO.

Exaclty what I think.

I believe the people criticisng Henerson and Williamson are just furstrated United fans. Cynical, pessimistic, pissed off United fans looking for someone to blame. It was not the teams fault this week (imo) but they cannot accept that. Let's blame Henderson and Williamson for being the brunt of an arrogant, inept, fickle, sticlker, incompetent 'look at me' referee. We're all frustrated, but the sendings off were harsh.
 
Did you not read this bit Olly?:)

From the position he was in, all Collins had to do was be professional and stick his leg out and tap it behind. However, useless twat that he is, he went for the Row z option, and ended up with some serious egg on his face.

Good reflexes by simmo though! Sadly for him the ball was tucked in by the Watford player, who was left totally unmarked by the other useless shithouse that we have in defence, Nyron Fucking Nosworthy.

I was taking about their second and third goals.
 
If they were sending offs football isn't the contact sport I've always loved. Both were seriously pathetic decisions.

This pre-historic, barbaric view of how football should be played is a massive reason why the club is on so much shite.

Yes, pathetic decisoons by professional footballers. No problems at all with either sending off. Henderson's was a straight red for me. Dive ibn like that, even of going fpr ball it is irrelevant of you miss it. Reckless and pathetic if already booked, however harsh that one may have been.

Willo - just brain-dead. Glad I've never played with you Sitters if that is how you challenge for a header.

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Collins mistake was when we had 11 men. His slice is indefensible. Nos let his man get infront of him and score. Nothing to do with gaps. He was marking him and the player got in fron, won the header and scored. It was a good atacking header, but someone with Nosworthy's experience should be disappointed to be beaten that easily.

The second Hendo booking was border line yellow. A referee with common sense would have warned him. Especially as it was seconds after the first booking. The first booking came from a Watford player fouling Henderson. It was ludicrous. A harsh sending off.



Exaclty what I think.

I believe the people criticisng Henerson and Williamson are just furstrated United fans. Cynical, pessimistic, pissed off United fans looking for someone to blame. It was not the teams fault this week (imo) but they cannot accept that. Let's blame Henderson and Williamson for being the brunt of an arrogant, inept, fickle, sticlker, incompetent 'look at me' referee. We're all frustrated, but the sendings off were harsh.

Why does it matter the possibility that if he had won ball it would have gone in? Yes, go for the ball but if it is reckless and dangerous and you don't get the ball it is a yellow and for me it looked straight red.
 
This pre-historic, barbaric view of how football should be played is a massive reason why the club is on so much shite.

It used to be a man's game mic.....and for the record that has very little to do with why this club is in so much shite.
 
It used to be a man's game mic.....and for the record that has very little to do with why this club is in so much shite.

Man's game? Also known as fly in recklessly with no regard for safety of opponent. It's a game of skill and controlled agression. Hendo and Willo acted like total dickheads, Move out of the 1970's Steel and look at the good football that is played elsewhere from time to time - but then again you support alehouse Micky and Corky as managers of this great club so no surprise.
 
Man's game? Also known as fly in recklessly with no regard for safety of opponent. It's a game of skill and controlled agression. Hendo and Willo acted like total dickheads, Move out of the 1970's Steel and look at the good football that is played elsewhere from time to time - but then again you support alehouse Micky and Corky as managers of this great club so no surprise.

My era was the 80's onwards mic, when football was about skill and physicality (a proper sport). It wasnt so much about wishy-washy rules full of grey areas and poncey players making a meal of everything as it is now - and I'm not talking about the game at Watford as I haven't seen any of it. I'm talking about football in general. I've played and managed to a reasonable standard mic so I dont need you telling me what the game is about.

What do you consider to be good football then mic? I'm sure a man of your knowledge and experience could teach me a thing or two.....

I support whom ever is manager of Sheffield United Football Club if I can see they care and they're trying their best.....whether I agree with their methods or not. That is something I know you have trouble grasping as you're too bogged down by your campaign to get everyone thinking the same way you do (know-nothings if they dont).
 
My era was the 80's onwards mic, when football was about skill and physicality (a proper sport). It wasnt so much about wishy-washy rules full of grey areas and poncey players making a meal of everything as it is now - and I'm not talking about the game at Watford as I haven't seen any of it. I'm talking about football in general. I've played and managed to a reasonable standard mic so I dont need you telling me what the game is about.

What do you consider to be good football then mic? I'm sure a man of your knowledge and experience could teach me a thing or two.....

I support whom ever is manager of Sheffield United Football Club if I can see they care and they're trying their best.....whether I agree with their methods or not. That is something I know you have trouble grasping as you're too bogged down by your campaign to get everyone thinking the same way you do (know-nothings if they dont).

....and I don't need your 'for the record' comments. The gospel of football according to Steel and Alehouse - no ta. Of ocurse I agree about players diving etc but that was not the case at watford which is the jist of this thread.

Good football off the top, - look at Reading trying to give Man City a game yesterday, look at Reading at BDTBL time after time. Leeds at Old Trafford last season, SUFC v PNE away in play-offs. Plenty of more examples of SUFC playing decent, pacey, athletic, controlled football.

You need to watch the replays of Watford - if you still think that is how you should tackle and challenge in the air then fair enough. Seriously steel I could not care less what level you played or managed at.
 



No amount of ref-blaming will change the fact that our discipline this season has been atrocious. The pattern is clear I'm afraid. :(
 

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