A bit of perspective needed.

[1973_Blade]

It hasn't been the start any of us wanted, but we need to maintain a bit of perspective. We have a new manager in, who is not experienced and has much to learn. He obviously has a way in which he wants us to play and is sticking to his guns with that. He is also trying to build a team until recently on a budget.

I have been around long enough to have seen us in the fourth division and in the Premier league too and I understand that a team does not gel instantly. We had a positive start against another team with a newish manager but have then come up against teams that are further along in terms of stability, with managers that have had time to impose their style of play on the team and squads that have not had as many new comers, or lost such important players as we have with KMac.

It seems that we have the basis of a team and squad that will be able to push on and with the arrival of a couple of players- loan deals with a view to permanent signings in my opinion - along with the return of Miller and later Diego together with with more time to get used the the change in style we will see more good days that bad. The Prince sounded like he was in for the long haul and was also very determined to get us to where we all want to be, but it may not happen tomorrow.

Patience and perspective please.

UTB

 

[TarquinDelouche]

"Time to gel" always sounded like bullshit to me. There are currently 18 teams above us who have had the same amount of "time to gel".

 

[Kev Gee]

As soon as Weir announced Doyle was captain i knew we had 'shit it'

We simply cannot afford to have captain failure as captain & hope to succeed.

 

[BladeFisher]

It hasn't been the start any of us wanted, but we need to maintain a bit of perspective. We have a new manager in, who is not experienced and has much to learn. He obviously has a way in which he wants us to play and is sticking to his guns with that. He is also trying to build a team until recently on a budget.

I have been around long enough to have seen us in the fourth division and in the Premier league too and I understand that a team does not gel instantly. We had a positive start against another team with a newish manager but have then come up against teams that are further along in terms of stability, with managers that have had time to impose their style of play on the team and squads that have not had as many new comers, or lost such important players as we have with KMac.

It seems that we have the basis of a team and squad that will be able to push on and with the arrival of a couple of players- loan deals with a view to permanent signings in my opinion - along with the return of Miller and later Diego together with with more time to get used the the change in style we will see more good days that bad. The Prince sounded like he was in for the long haul and was also very determined to get us to where we all want to be, but it may not happen tomorrow.

Patience and perspective please.

UTB

Totally accept your logic, but Wilson/Morgan got us into the play offs with virtually the same team. I put it to you that with what many may consider 'a croc of shit' we weren't far short last season.

What we have now or appears we have now is a manager playing a system that is not getting results, whatever that system is, whilst his predecessor more or less did.

 

[Kenilworth]

Totally accept your logic, but Wilson/Morgan got us into the play offs with virtually the same team. I put it to you that with what many may consider 'a croc of shit' we weren't far short last season.

What we have now or appears we have now is a manager playing a system that is not getting results, whatever that system is, whilst his predecessor more or less did.

It's worse than that.
We are playing a system that creates even less of a threat going forwards.
Unbelievably we are creating fewer opportunities than we were last season and that was desperate.
Difference now is also being combined with a leaky defence.
It's a recipe for only one thing.

BTW don't kid yersen. We were miles away from getting promotion last year as well.
Don't believe we would have succeeded even if Danny would have stayed til the end.
No where near enough goals in us.
The only thing it spared us was yet another defeat at Wembley. Does anyone really believe we would have overcome Brentford in a final?

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[BladeFisher]

It's worse than that.
We are playing a system that creates even less of a threat going forwards.
Unbelievably we are creating fewer opportunities than we were last season and that was desperate.
Difference now is also being combined with a leaky defence.
It's a recipe for only one thing.

BTW don't kid yersen. We were miles away from getting promotion last year as well.
Don't believe we would have succeeded even if Danny would have stayed til the end.
No where near enough goals in us.
The only thing it spared us was yet another defeat at Wembley. Does anyone really believe we would have overcome Brentford in a final?

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Am not kidding myself Kenny, but it was better than this so far and that was my point.

I feel sorry for Weir, but hey we've sunk so far now, how long do we spend (or in reality Weir/McCabe+Prince+Winter) spend grovelling around looking for the bath plug before they realise that whatever is being done is er not only not working, it's making matters a lot sodding worse and the waters of L1 are draining slowly but surely and we might end up high and dry in L2.

 

[Sirius]

It's worse than that.
We are playing a system that creates even less of a threat going forwards.
Unbelievably we are creating fewer opportunities than we were last season and that was desperate.
Difference now is also being combined with a leaky defence.
It's a recipe for only one thing.

BTW don't kid yersen. We were miles away from getting promotion last year as well.
Don't believe we would have succeeded even if Danny would have stayed til the end.
No where near enough goals in us.
The only thing it spared us was yet another defeat at Wembley. Does anyone really believe we would have overcome Brentford in a final?

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Would someone please tell me why our defence appears to have fallen apart?
Genuine question from someone who is about as far from the LANE as can be.

 

[Northyorksblade]

What worries me is has he got a plan b? Because it seems to me, when we are chasing the game, he still sticks to the same formula that isn't working.

 

[Pennblade]

Would someone please tell me why our defence appears to have fallen apart?
Genuine question from someone who is about as far from the LANE as can be.

After the second goal their heads went down - I fear it's not only the fans that don't have any confidence in the way the team is set up and being told to play. If I'm right it's a recipe for disaster.

Contrast Weir's approach to that of Rotherham's manager - didn't work out in the first half so he changed it. It hasn't worked out for Weir in 6 games (1-0 in the first game against 10 men wasn't brilliant) and still he hasn't changed things. Yes I want to see good football but most importantly I want see us win.

 

[sitwell]

A manager is supposed to manage ,not disappear into the dugout ,when the 3rd goes in. Change the fucking system ,let the players take players on , let them kick it more than 10 yards and go forward, make it faster ,get support up front ,let them use some initiative instead of being so rigid ,its painfull to watch, its not entertaining and its losing football. Get your finger out, stop being so stubborn and manage.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Weir will be out by christmas unless he changes his ideas. I think that has become apparent already.
You can't play the style he wants to, with the crap we've got. I'm not sure any team in the division would be able to win games with his style. He seems to think we're Barcelona or summat. The unwillingness to change the style during games is making Danny Wilson look like a tactical genius.

Not sure i agree we're not much different to last season though. For a start, last season was so much easier cos nearly every team in the league was garbage. We blagged our way to the top by fluking 1-0 wins all over the shop. We weren't good. I can barely think of 2 games all season when we looked anything other than utter shite. Also we lost Blackman, it's no coincidence we went down the crapper last season when we sold him. And we've lost McDonald.

And several players have deteriorated to a massive extent. Doyle, Flynn, McMahon, Porter, Howard. None of them world beaters, but all are considerably worse now than they were a year ago. It happens. Trouble is, usually when it happens you have other players that come in. The clapped out lot quietly get shipped off to the knackers yard of League 2 and everybody forgets about them. But with us, they still get to play in the first team!

 

[mattbianco1]

As soon as Weir announced Doyle was captain i knew we had 'shit it'

We simply cannot afford to have captain failure as captain & hope to succeed.

Yesterday's failure had nothing to do with Doyle.

The nobs infront of me didnt mention Doyle at all until it was 3-1 then he played a misplaced pass and he was the sole reason for our downfall, not only this season but from the championship too.

 

[Kenilworth]

Would someone please tell me why our defence appears to have fallen apart?
Genuine question from someone who is about as far from the LANE as can be.

It's where we lose the ball.
Last season Danny has us being solid but low risk.
It wasn't hoof but it was not a slow build from the back either.

In the games I have seen I have noticed that when the opposition presses, hassles us so we have less time on the ball our lads make mistakes and give the ball away. Since we are playing from the back we are losing possession close to our goal so the panic sets in and we make further mistakes leading to chances for the opposition.
Teams are happy for us to build slow and fuck about at the back as it gives them a breather. Safe in the knowledge that we cannot score 100 yards from their goal. They get back into position and block us out ready to press again once we start looking up to move forward.

In the games that I have not seen, i.e. where I have listened on Blades player, I hardly ever hear of re opposition goalkeeper having to use his gloves. It's always a goal kick or a free kick. There's plenty of mention of the full backs (in our half) and the centre backs passing but as soon as it gets into midfield and occasionally to the lone front man it's a case of split second before an opposition player has the ball.

We are playing all our football in our defensive third and some in the middle third and even when we do get into the attacking third and actually deliver a cross there is no more than one United shirt there up against 3 or 4 defenders.

It's like fucking your Mrs up the arse constantly and wondering why the hell she isn't getting pregnant.

 

[sheffielder]

Yesterday's failure had nothing to do with Doyle.

The nobs infront of me didnt mention Doyle at all until it was 3-1 then he played a misplaced pass and he was the sole reason for our downfall, not only this season but from the championship too.

Doyle is barely a player, never mind captain. A senior player around the young players we have is vital. He does absolutely nothing to drive our team on. His only way of trying to drive the team on is snatching on a 35 yard effort. I am the the original poster as I was devastated when Doyle was chosen as captain. Unfortunately for Weir, there is no changing it and yet Doyle has done nothing to deserve leading this side unless you count failure as a good reason. He is just god damn fucking awful and that's without going into stories.

I always remember the Long mistake against Yeovil last season when he had a go at Long for it. Robson for all his shitness ran half the length of the pitch to pat him on the back and have a word.

Calling him a captain is an insult to Morgan

 

[LSF]

As soon as Weir announced Doyle was captain i knew we had 'shit it'

We simply cannot afford to have captain failure as captain & hope to succeed.

Oh dear, change the record.....

 

[LSF]

Doyle is barely a player, never mind captain. A senior player around the young players we have is vital. He does absolutely nothing to drive our team on. His only way of trying to drive the team on is snatching on a 35 yard effort. I am the the original poster as I was devastated when Doyle was chosen as captain. Unfortunately for Weir, there is no changing it and yet Doyle has done nothing to deserve leading this side unless you count failure as a good reason. He is just god damn fucking awful and that's without going into stories.

I always remember the Long mistake against Yeovil last season when he had a go at Long for it. Robson for all his shitness ran half the length of the pitch to pat him on the back and have a word.

Calling him a captain is an insult to Morgan

ditto.......

 

[sheffielder]

And to make matters worse, he can't even captain his own game. He shouldn't even get in the team. He is the holding midfielder but it opens up like the red sea when the opposition get the ball.

Doyle has only been any good to us when he sits in front of the back four because he doesn't have the legs to get back. He is chasing down the opposition defenders or wingers. He has players infront and to the side of him who should be doing that. He just doesn't have the ability to lead by example.

 

[Small Mendonca]

"Time to gel" always sounded like bullshit to me. There are currently 18 teams above us who have had the same amount of "time to gel".

Exactly! Surely the whole point of pre-season is to gel with some new signings under the new manager? We've only signed 2 players since pre-season, it shouldn't take a lot of gelling.

 

[UnitedBlade]

It's where we lose the ball.
Last season Danny has us being solid but low risk.
It wasn't hoof but it was not a slow build from the back either.

In the games I have seen I have noticed that when the opposition presses, hassles us so we have less time on the ball our lads make mistakes and give the ball away. Since we are playing from the back we are losing possession close to our goal so the panic sets in and we make further mistakes leading to chances for the opposition.
Teams are happy for us to build slow and fuck about at the back as it gives them a breather. Safe in the knowledge that we cannot score 100 yards from their goal. They get back into position and block us out ready to press again once we start looking up to move forward.

In the games that I have not seen, i.e. where I have listened on Blades player, I hardly ever hear of re opposition goalkeeper having to use his gloves. It's always a goal kick or a free kick. There's plenty of mention of the full backs (in our half) and the centre backs passing but as soon as it gets into midfield and occasionally to the lone front man it's a case of split second before an opposition player has the ball.

We are playing all our football in our defensive third and some in the middle third and even when we do get into the attacking third and actually deliver a cross there is no more than one United shirt there up against 3 or 4 defenders.

It's like fucking your Mrs up the arse constantly and wondering why the hell she isn't getting pregnant.

Good post, nail-on-the-head analysis. I've seen all the League games except Notts which I watched on TV.

Ultimately, our possession in two thirds of the pitch is ending with a mistake, some costly. They are not ending with good balls, penetration or shots in the final third.

I also think they've lost any confidence that we will score again once the opposition scores.

I have a long list of players that aren't good enough and in my opinion will never be part of a promotion winning side.

We have to address this with loans now or we can write off this season.

 

[alcoblade]

We have to address this with loans now or we can write off this season.

If only fella. The season will not be over either way, but for reasons that are only just sinking in for many. And I don't think a trip to the 4th division will be anything like as much fun as last time.

UTB

 

[shorehamview]

Once upon a time there was a man who managed a team of brick layers. When he left the job a new man came in to manage the brickies. "Good news lads" he declared. "We are all now going to be pastry chefs, creating the finest cakes and pastries to delight many customers."

Alas, the nice new man had a problem. Well, many problems actually. Nearly a whole squad of problems. The foreman of the brickies couldn't make a nice cake if his life depended on it, despite slapping lots of pastry and icing with his masonry hammer and trowel. Instead of a lovely cake he made a right old mess of it. His colleagues weren't much better, dropping eggs and flour all over the place, and the nice new man in charge even had some of the egg on his sour looking Scottish face. He brought in some new chaps to make cake, but a couple of these looked like they too were brickies, and one even looked like he'd be best suited to doing some colouring books with blunt crayons, although expecting him to keep his colouring between the lines would be a bit much.

Anyhow, one day a handsome prince rode up and promised the rather concerned onlookers that these cack-handed cake manglers would one day win Masterchef and possibly Bake-Off too, although the rather concerned onlookers thought "Hang on a minute, these fuckers couldn't open a bag of crisps without spilling half of them, never mind make something as simple as a cookie from one of those packet thingies in Tesco, how the fuck are they going to win Masterchef?"

The handsome prince said "Don't worry, these useless sons of jackals will be feeding the vultures long before the final of Masterchef. We will all be sat in paradise, eating posh cake, within five years, providing the sour faced one can get his players to hold the spatula the right way round."

The rather concerned onlookers were rather concerned still, but at least they now had a glimmer of hope. They just prayed that the light at the end of the long tunnel wasn't the cakes on fire.