A big well done to Clough and the squad

[SwindonBladeJnr]

The funny thing is I think that 90% of us all broadly agree on how we think the season has gone, the only gripe perhaps is with the minority who have come out and said that Clough should go. That's massively premature in my eyes, and surprising given that we all know how quick fire management changes have gone for us recently.

I think we all need to dig in an back Clough not only this season, but next as well if necessary. What good would tearing it up and starting again do us? Even if we don't win promotion this season?

 

[YES Blade]

Ha ha "come on here giving it the big'un", hardly doing that am I.

Just highlighting a minority of our stupid fans over reactions. Even if we don't go up this year i'll still stand by Clough and would love to see him have another crack next year...why?..because I understand football, and that sometimes it takes more than 12 months to get it right, especially given the mess we were in when he came in and especially in the modern ear of transfer windows, and the answer isn't to demand a manager gets sacked if it isn't quite working. Fair enough, if we were lower mid table, losing in the 1st round of every cup and signing a load of crap, old, over the hill players, playing long ball football....but that's not the case is it.

We've shown we can play some good stuff, we've recruited some talented players, we have a good young squad, we've done amazing in the cups and we're in the play off places. The major thing that has let us down is a lack of a goalscorer, and I bet Clough would be the first one to admit that and wish they had got that right. I'm okay in letting him make the odd mistake, if he learns from it and if he's getting most things right. Long term he will be a very good manager for us.

It seems the only thing that would make some fans happy is if we were in the top 2 with someone banging in 20-30 goals a season....and that's pretty much the same thing every other team in the top half of every league in the country wants.

Clough and the club are getting a lot of things right, just needs a bit of patience.

Why can't you just enjoy the win without coming on here resorting to name calling and trying to provoke other users?

 

[Sirius]

The funny thing is I think that 90% of us all broadly agree on how we think the season has gone, the only gripe perhaps is with the minority who have come out and said that Clough should go. That's massively premature in my eyes, and surprising given that we all know how quick fire management changes have gone for us recently.

I think we all need to dig in an back Clough not only this season, but next as well if necessary. What good would tearing it up and starting again do us? Even if we don't win promotion this season?

Much as I would hesitate to out a pig, I feel that one or more of the Clough detractors may have slipped under the radar. Either that, or they are seriously in need of "Happy pills" or a new drum to bang.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Why can't you just enjoy the win without coming on here resorting to name calling and trying to provoke other users?

oh the irony! ... you mean similar to the name calling some of our fans throw at our manager and players every time they don't win a game?

 

[Blade56]

I'm never late at criticising them when I think it's deserved and I've been particularly critical of Clough recently. However, they deserve a lot of credit for today's performance. One down at the break, but they didn't buckle and by all accounts their victory was thoroughly deserved. (Take that Brizzle for fkin up the start of our season )

Yes, well done lads, but more importantly keep that momentum going into the last third of the season

Sometimes, miracles can happen

I've been just as critical and deservedly so most of the time. This is a piss poor league this season and we should be walking it.

But a big well done today, Done has transformed the side. 10/10 for a fantastic performance. Watching the highlights I cannot believe how many players we had in the box at times. Want to see that more often.

We need COG now and with 17 games left apart from 1/2 banana skins there is no excuses based on this result for us to drop a single point.

So come on Nige, get that striker and show us what you can do and although I can't remember who's arse it was I promised to kiss on the Town Hall steps if we went up I hope they are waxing, washing and moisturising.

No excuses!

 

[itsinyerblood]

I've been just as critical and deservedly so most of the time. This is a piss poor league this season and we should be walking it.

But a big well done today, Done has transformed the side. 10/10 for a fantastic performance. Watching the highlights I cannot believe how many players we had in the box at times. Want to see that more often.

We need COG now and with 17 games left apart from 1/2 banana skins there is no excuses based on this result for us to drop a single point.

So come on Nige, get that striker and show us what you can do and although I can't remember who's arse it was I promised to kiss on the Town Hall steps if we went up I hope they are waxing, washing and moisturising.

No excuses!

Not sure if a moisturised arse is a good idea mate, if it's rough it's rough, and your lips will just have to make the most of the experience. All I'd ask is that when/if it happens (that's the big question) we have photographic evidence with the Town Hall in the background.

Seriously, I can't see why the inclusion of 'No excuses!' is necessary. Try as hard as he might, if a club refuses to sell their player there's nothing we can do. Reverse that idea, we complain about selling our young talent and want to see some resolve from the club in resisting an offer. So we should resist an offer but other clubs shouldn't? There's something topsy turvy about that. I'd love to see COG arrive at the Lane, but part of this must be down to the player making it clear he wants to be here. Done made it clear that the prospect of coming to United excited him which contributed to that move happening. The same must happen with O'Grady. The pairing of COG and Done has so much potential but whether it'll happen remains to be seen.

 

[super_pig]

The funny thing is I think that 90% of us all broadly agree on how we think the season has gone, the only gripe perhaps is with the minority who have come out and said that Clough should go.

i've never actually read 'anyone' on here seriously say that clough should go mate.. some of us have been bitching all season that we needed a striker probably saying what cloughy has been thinking himself.. can we all stop fucking bitching please. thankyou

 

[Blade56]

Not sure if a moisturised arse is a good idea mate, if it's rough it's rough, and your lips will just have to make the most of the experience. All I'd ask is that when/if it happens (that's the big question) we have photographic evidence with the Town Hall in the background.

Seriously, I can't see why the inclusion of 'No excuses!' is necessary. Try as hard as he might, if a club refuses to sell their player there's nothing we can do. Reverse that idea, we complain about selling our young talent and want to see some resolve from the club in resisting an offer. So we should resist an offer but other clubs shouldn't? There's something topsy turvy about that. I'd love to see COG arrive at the Lane, but part of this must be down to the player making it clear he wants to be here. Done made it clear that the prospect of coming to United excited him which contributed to that move happening. The same must happen with O'Grady. The pairing of COG and Done has so much potential but whether it'll happen remains to be seen.

The arse thing is getting a bit to graphic stop it!

The no excuses in a way is praising the pool of tallent he has assembled. No arguement he has brought in some tallent and developed internal young tallent. However, he has spent on some strange investments (Butler, Higdon etc) and has used the good purchases in such a negative manner. When we can beat Swindon and Bristol so convincingly it is clear we have the ability with his squad so as I said no excuses Nige, just do it. He should be able to loan a big striker and win at least 40-45 points from our remaking fixtures.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The arse thing is getting a bit to graphic stop it!

The no excuses in a way is praising the pool of tallent he has assembled. No arguement he has brought in some tallent and developed internal young tallent. However, he has spent on some strange investments (Butler, Higdon etc) and has used the good purchases in such a negative manner. When we can beat Swindon and Bristol so convincingly it is clear we have the ability with his squad so as I said no excuses Nige, just do it. He should be able to loan a big striker and win at least 40-45 points from our remaking fixtures.

Hear what you're saying, but isn't a poor signing something that happens at all clubs? Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City, they've all signed players who weren't of the quality they desired. Managers, Scouts, whoever, they make mistakes. Alex Ferguson took six years before making a serious impact at Old Trafford, so a less generous board might have decided to give Ferguson his P45 before his magic spell began. You mention Clough 'should' be able to get a forward, but as has been discussed many times on the forum, trying to get a player, especially from a higher division, to come to a club in this division is tough, and that's being charitable.

By talking in such absolutes - should be able to loan a big striker/win at least 40-45 points - seems to not allow for mishaps, a player being off form, or any of the things that happen where people are concerned. Our most recent signing, Done, was received by many with a lukewarm reception, simply because he wasn't someone who caught the eye of those supporters who imagined they've sussed what it takes to make a club successful. Maybe all that does is to show that 'playing' at manager is a lot easier than actually doing the job for real.

 

[Pinchy]

Just a shame it works both ways, seems that after one great away win we are world beaters, how S6 massive like.

So it should work only one way? The single-cells should have their cake and eat it?

As the song says..."Not while I'm around..."

 

[Pinchy]

I do not retract any of my statements from last week, the week before or indeed from September onwards. Great result today and credit to the team for a deserved win.
However, it doesn't alter the fact that we have pissed away an automatic place by steadfastly refusing to sign a goalscorer until last week, poor team selections and with some diabolical performances, particularly at home in Oct/ Nov / Dec.
UTB & FTP

We didn't refuse. We'be been trying extremely hard to sign COG since the Summer. We had a deal to sign him and Brighton reneged on it. The pursuit goes on, though.

 

[Pinchy]

Ha ha "come on here giving it the big'un", hardly doing that am I.

Just highlighting a minority of our stupid fans over reactions. Even if we don't go up this year i'll still stand by Clough and would love to see him have another crack next year...why?..because I understand football, and that sometimes it takes more than 12 months to get it right, especially given the mess we were in when he came in and especially in the modern ear of transfer windows, and the answer isn't to demand a manager gets sacked if it isn't quite working. Fair enough, if we were lower mid table, losing in the 1st round of every cup and signing a load of crap, old, over the hill players, playing long ball football....but that's not the case is it.

We've shown we can play some good stuff, we've recruited some talented players, we have a good young squad, we've done amazing in the cups and we're in the play off places. The major thing that has let us down is a lack of a goalscorer, and I bet Clough would be the first one to admit that and wish they had got that right. I'm okay in letting him make the odd mistake, if he learns from it and if he's getting most things right. Long term he will be a very good manager for us.

It seems the only thing that would make some fans happy is if we were in the top 2 with someone banging in 20-30 goals a season....and that's pretty much the same thing every other team in the top half of every league in the country wants.

Clough and the club are getting a lot of things right, just needs a bit of patience.

Celebrating a great win is denigrated as "giving it the big un"? Only in S2 eh, No Blade?

I despair.

 

[Pinchy]

Ha ha "come on here giving it the big'un", hardly doing that am I.

Just highlighting a minority of our stupid fans over reactions. Even if we don't go up this year i'll still stand by Clough and would love to see him have another crack next year...why?..because I understand football, and that sometimes it takes more than 12 months to get it right, especially given the mess we were in when he came in and especially in the modern ear of transfer windows, and the answer isn't to demand a manager gets sacked if it isn't quite working. Fair enough, if we were lower mid table, losing in the 1st round of every cup and signing a load of crap, old, over the hill players, playing long ball football....but that's not the case is it.

We've shown we can play some good stuff, we've recruited some talented players, we have a good young squad, we've done amazing in the cups and we're in the play off places. The major thing that has let us down is a lack of a goalscorer, and I bet Clough would be the first one to admit that and wish they had got that right. I'm okay in letting him make the odd mistake, if he learns from it and if he's getting most things right. Long term he will be a very good manager for us.

It seems the only thing that would make some fans happy is if we were in the top 2 with someone banging in 20-30 goals a season....and that's pretty much the same thing every other team in the top half of every league in the country wants.

Clough and the club are getting a lot of things right, just needs a bit of patience.

The very epitome of sound common sense. Sadly it requires more than a single braincell to compute. Shame, really. Could you possibly reproduce your sentiments as a picture book?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Celebrating a great win is denigrated as "giving it the big un"? Only in S2 eh, No Blade?

I despair.

Don't despair Pinchy, just see these type of posts as the desperate clinging on by those who won't accept that the earth isn't in fact flat.

It's funny how celebrating an unexpected but deserved win is met with caustic comments. No doubt when we next lose the flat earthers will be all over this forum like a bad rash. It must be hard to accept the realities that surround managing a club. So much easier to spout negatives, but being terminally negative is position that eventually erodes any chance of balance. Maintaining this dark vision is the equivalent of being consigned to a life sentence of pessimism without hope of release.

 

[Pinchy]

Its a bit shit chipping away at the critics, when we are still facing playoff shit-and-piss when we have wasted so many needless points this season. You argument would hold water if you could explain being turned over by Barnsley at home, MK Dons home and away and last weeks Billy fucking Smarts Circus at the Priestfield. That's 12 points and there are others. Its not as though we have been unlucky. We just have failed to deliver and that is why we criticise.

Pleased for today's win. But after we amazed the cynics by coming back from the dead against Colchester we went to Swindon and were bummed dry and hard. I hope this impetus can be maintained.

pommpey

Yeah, but there's a lovely consolation for you if not, isn't there?

Heads you win; Tails we lose?

You cynics don't like being challenged, do you?

 

[metalblade]

Don't you just love how the self proclaimed intelligentsia can't wait to be rude to others who don't share their blind faith A great away victory at Bristol C doesn't change the fact that we are 16pts (sixteen) behind them. You would think with all those spare cells they would be able to post something a little more positive about the game, the team, the tactics or anything rather than taking cheap shots at other fans.

 

[pommpey]

Yeah, but there's a lovely consolation for you if not, isn't there?

Heads you win; Tails we lose?

You cynics don't like being challenged, do you?

'Challenged'?

Feller, this is Division One. I am not alone in thinking we have stayed around this shithole division a bit longer than we should have. It's not at all arrogant and self-serving to make an assumption that Sheff Utd don't really deserve to be where we are and indeed, some performances this season (like Saturday for example) shows this. We don't deserve it, but some players performances this season have completely burst our balloon, yet people come on here and clap-clappity-clap them and say 'give him more time/another chance'

Challenged?

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

'Challenged'?

Feller, this is Division One. I am not alone in thinking we have stayed around this shithole division a bit longer than we should have. It's not at all arrogant and self-serving to make an assumption that Sheff Utd don't really deserve to be where we are and indeed, some performances this season (like Saturday for example) shows this. We don't deserve it, but some players performances this season have completely burst our balloon, yet people come on here and clap-clappity-clap them and say 'give him more time/another chance'

Challenged?

pommpey

My word, you really have made my point for me there. People who challenge your views dismissed in three lines. The Agenda Brigade are all the same. They want the right to spout as much vitriol as they like but bristle at being called to account when proved wrong and take offence when it's pointed out. Cake and eat-it all the way.

Talk of giving Nigel 'another chance' is about as arrant a piece of nonsense as I have heard for a long time. He's already doing an excellent job but it does, as all sensible people know, take time, yet you ridicule a very obvious truth. As the future will demonstrate, we are very fortunate to have Nigel Clough at our club.

Luckily most of us will continue to speak up for common sense.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Don't you just love how the self proclaimed intelligentsia can't wait to be rude to others who don't share their blind faith A great away victory at Bristol C doesn't change the fact that we are 16pts (sixteen) behind them. You would think with all those spare cells they would be able to post something a little more positive about the game, the team, the tactics or anything rather than taking cheap shots at other fans.

It's not blind faith that's expected, that's just a silly accusation, just as your need to spell at your use of numeracy. Presumably you do this for emphasis? But it's really not necessary, you do realise that don't you?

I'm not that insecure that I need or care whether you share my viewpoint, and I'm sure you feel the same. The point is metal, come rain or shine, with the exception of what seems to be an occasional token approval on your behalf when we win, you're one poster that can be relied on to impart your negative wisdom. It's as if an objective overview is either alien to you or you believe it has no consequence. I guess you can't help yourself, maybe you aren't happy unless things are going wrong. If so you must struggle to recognise the benefits and rewards when good things happen. If you question this then please support your rejection of my opinion with examples where you've constantly contributed a critique that adds something worthwhile to the forum. Being that negative for so long must surely result in the belief that being negative is normal and what life was intended to be.

As for the comment about '...self proclaimed intelligentsia...', I can't recall making such an assertion about myself. I don't think it helps when you're accusing other posters of being rude to then repeat this behaviour yourself.

The underlying attitude behind your post is that we, the mighty Sheffield United, should have a far greater points tally than we currently possess. I wish that belief was true, but as with every season I just hope we do well, without unspecified goals, but with a wish that we at least achieve something. Don't ask me to specify what that something might be, my criteria may be different to yours, but so far I've not been overly impressed this season, but I still think that in Clough we have a good manager. Whether you agree with that really doesn't matter. By the tone you've employed in most of your posts, I doubt you'll alter the belief that whatever Clough does he'll fall short. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. So not exactly what you might call a flag waver for balance I guess metal?

 

[Pinchy]

It's not blind faith that's expected, that's just a silly accusation, just as your need to spell at your use of numeracy. Presumably you do this for emphasis? But it's really not necessary, you do realise that don't you?

I'm not that insecure that I need or care whether you share my viewpoint, and I'm sure you feel the same. The point is metal, come rain or shine, with the exception of what seems to be an occasional token approval on your behalf when we win, you're one poster that can be relied on to impart your negative wisdom. It's as if an objective overview is either alien to you or you believe it has no consequence. I guess you can't help yourself, maybe you aren't happy unless things are going wrong. If so you must struggle to recognise the benefits and rewards when good things happen. If you question this then please support your rejection of my opinion with examples where you've constantly contributed a critique that adds something worthwhile to the forum. Being that negative for so long must surely result in the belief that being negative is normal and what life was intended to be.

As for the comment about '...self proclaimed intelligentsia...', I can't recall making such an assertion about myself. I don't think it helps when you're accusing other posters of being rude to then repeat this behaviour yourself.

The underlying attitude behind your post is that we, the mighty Sheffield United, should have a far greater points tally than we currently possess. I wish that belief was true, but as with every season I just hope we do well, without unspecified goals, but with a wish that we at least achieve something. Don't ask me to specify what that something might be, my criteria may be different to yours, but so far I've not been overly impressed this season, but I still think that in Clough we have a good manager. Whether you agree with that really doesn't matter. By the tone you've employed in most of your posts, I doubt you'll alter the belief that whatever Clough does he'll fall short. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. So not exactly what you might call a flag waver for balance I guess metal?

A topic with "well done" in the title is bound to bring on the red mist.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Don't you just love how the self proclaimed intelligentsia can't wait to be rude to others who don't share their blind faith A great away victory at Bristol C doesn't change the fact that we are 16pts (sixteen) behind them. You would think with all those spare cells they would be able to post something a little more positive about the game, the team, the tactics or anything rather than taking cheap shots at other fans.

To be fair to all posting we don't need to get anywhere near Bristol City if do go on to win the league, it's second place we need to target.

 

[pommpey]

My word, you really have made my point for me there. People who challenge your views dismissed in three lines. The Agenda Brigade are all the same. They want the right to spout as much vitriol as they like but bristle at being called to account when proved wrong and take offence when it's pointed out. Cake and eat-it all the way.

Talk of giving Nigel 'another chance' is about as arrant a piece of nonsense as I have heard for a long time. He's already doing an excellent job but it does, as all sensible people know, take time, yet you ridicule a very obvious truth. As the future will demonstrate, we are very fortunate to have Nigel Clough at our club.

Luckily most of us will continue to speak up for common sense.

Hmmm. Are you pissed again, Pinchy?

Re-read my post. The 'give them another chance' reference is in context regarding players, here ...

but some players performances this season have completely burst our balloon, yet people come on here and clap-clappity-clap them and say 'give him more time/another chance'

... and at no point do I cite Clough as being unworthy, or have ever done. Whose cake?

And let's not start with 'being proved wrong'. Last week's capitulation at Gillingham isn't proving the critics wrong. We were very much below standard, or any standard required to be promoted and stay promoted. But I suppose in your world that proves you right?

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

Hmmm. Are you pissed again, Pinchy?

Re-read my post. The 'give them another chance' reference is in context regarding players, here ...



... and at no point do I cite Clough as being unworthy, or have ever done. Whose cake?

And let's not start with 'being proved wrong'. Last week's capitulation at Gillingham isn't proving the critics wrong. We were very much below standard, or any standard required to be promoted and stay promoted. But I suppose in your world that proves you right?

pommpey

Do you regard the Gillingham result as more significant than the Bristol one? Do you prefer it?

 

[pommpey]

Do you regard the Gillingham result as more significant than the Bristol one? Do you prefer it?

Yes and no. It is a game we should have, at least, come away with, with a point. Given we played extremely well against Bristol City, our points tally over three games in seven days is six, rather than nine. That's a shit three points to chuck away looking at the avoidable goals we shipped.

That's why it is significant.

Keep clapping, though. Us Non Blade Wankers will never be happy.

pommpey

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

The very epitome of sound common sense. Sadly it requires more than a single braincell to compute. Shame, really. Could you possibly reproduce your sentiments as a picture book?

Ha ha, I'll see what I can do. On the front cover I'll have pictures of Adrian Heath, Brian Robson and David Weir so they can really see what a bad manager looks like!

 

[wizadry]

The pathetic nitpicking is getting really tiresome now. What i don't get is we have a great win and people come on just to try and get a bite from one of the many posters who have been rightly criticising some of our goings on this season.

Yesterday was a great result in more ways than one as others around us lost aswell, what we now need is some consistency, which is what we haven't had all season. I can honestly see us getting that consistency as Cloughy has signed very well in January. All's well that ends well.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The pathetic nitpicking is getting really tiresome now. .

it all depends what came first - the chicken or the egg?

Don't know why you just don't let both factions just get on with the trolling Wiz - it's quite interesting and comical at times.

UTB

 

[judge]

its pathetic
we win no.one is moaning the forum is a happy place
i know what i'll do
great win blades stick that up your arse fellow blades who were pissed off when we were shit

There thats better

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

its pathetic
we win no.one is moaning the forum is a happy place
i know what i'll do
great win blades stick that up your arse fellow blades who were pissed off when we were shit

There thats better

We could have had four and kept a clean sheet.

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

its pathetic
we win no.one is moaning the forum is a happy place
i know what i'll do
great win blades stick that up your arse fellow blades who were pissed off when we were shit

There thats better

What's pathetic is that there is a section of our fans that seems to take more enjoyment in being negative, moaning about everything and abusing the manager and players when they don't win, than they do in winning games.

The said fans have even coined the name 'clappers' for fans that are positive and support the team, as if there was something wrong with that, now that is pathetic.

Here's a perfect example of how pathetic they are - they even managed to turn our cup success into a negative by calling players and manager cup tarts! We're a league 1 club that got to two cup semis in a year, and even that was turned into a negative. Now that's pathetic.

If after good wins these idiots need to occasionally be reminded that our manager is doing a decent job and is building something at this club then so be it, and I'm happy to remind them.

UTB