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[RMBlade]

Did you play square pegs in round holes though? And did you bring the same players with you from FM 15

Nope I brought in 2 CH's (Jake Buxton and one from Fulham McCarthy I think), a CM (Gael Bigliramana) and Alessandro Del Piero, decided he was slightly better suited for captain than McEverly .

 

[Grecian2000]

Again contracts are about as useful as a chocolate fire guard against an offer of doubling someones money

A contract is as tight as the club want it to be.

Everton say Stones must stay and not go to Chelsea, so that is what happens.
Berahino says he'll never play for WBA again, WBA say "yes you will because we have a contract" and there he is scoring for them again.

SUFC take the stance that suits them on that particular day. If today's stance is we can't get a player "over the line" because his club says we can't then so be it, but on another given day (when the player is going in the opposite direction) we say "we can't hold them to a contract" then that is completely contradictory.

 

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A contract is as tight as the club want it to be.

Everton say Stones must stay and not go to Chelsea, so that is what happens.
Berahino says he'll never play for WBA again, WBA say "yes you will because we have a contract" and there he is scoring for them again.

SUFC take the stance that suits them on that particular day. If today's stance is we can't get a player "over the line" because his club says we can't then so be it, but on another given day (when the player is going in the opposite direction) we say "we can't hold them to a contract" then that is completely contradictory.

stones isnt moving up a division totally different
and hes probably on 30 k a week or more so the need isnt as great
he cant say I want prem football to get in the England team cos he is
you cant compare the offer

Murphy had much much more to gain , championship and doubling wages
hes upping the standard hes in , could accuse us of holding his career back

 

[longinthe toothblade]

Thought this was a count for hammonds misplaced passes

He was NO WHERE near that busy

 

[longinthe toothblade]

It's a perfect storm for a collapse next season.

We surely can't sack another manager, so no new impetus.

We are utterly wank

It's the worst stretch in the club's history.

The football is only half a notch up from Clough's bore fest.

The pigs are getting their act together.

On the positive side, our support has held up remarkably given the shite on show. And surely, but surely there will be a brand new team in show, with this lot finding even deeper depths to the barrel.

UTB

Yup, the support home and away is truly remarkable.

Hopefully, fingers crossed things have got to improve (haven't they?)

 

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things have got to improve (haven't they?)

thats what I go on probability factor , weve had our fair share of naff

 

[RMBlade]

stones isnt moving up a division totally different
and hes probably on 30 k a week or more so the need isnt as great
he cant say I want prem football to get in the England team cos he is
you cant compare the offer

Murphy had much much more to gain , championship and doubling wages
hes upping the standard hes in , could accuse us of holding his career back

But stones may want champions league football either way you look at it they were both making a step up not only in wages but in quality. Also stones' chances of getting into the England team is vastly improved playing for the premier league champions than it is playing for Everton.

 

[RMBlade]

Did you play square pegs in round holes though? And did you bring the same players with you from FM 15

Bigrimana has just signed for Coventry on loan now... Lol do they have an affiliation with Newcastle or something?

 

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But stones may want champions league football either way you look at it they were both making a step up not only in wages but in quality. Also stones' chances of getting into the England team is vastly improved playing for the premier league champions than it is playing for Everton.

if Chelsea avoid relegation
Everton are higher than Chelsea and nearer a cl spot theyd argue

 

[wizadry]

stones isnt moving up a division totally different
and hes probably on 30 k a week or more so the need isnt as great
he cant say I want prem football to get in the England team cos he is
you cant compare the offer

Murphy had much much more to gain , championship and doubling wages
hes upping the standard hes in , could accuse us of holding his career back

Come on btl, Stones would've more than doubled his wages, be playing Champions league football, meaning he's upped his standards. Everton may not be holding his career back now but that view could soon change if he doesn't get a move in the next few years.

 

[RMBlade]

if Chelsea avoid relegation
Everton are higher than Chelsea and nearer a cl spot theyd argue

I knew that was going to come I meant to put it in my original reply. Chelsea won't finish bottom half. They may miss out on CL but even if Chelsea finish 17th they are still a much bigger club than Everton and it would still be a step up.

 

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Still nothing likegetting lured from league one and league one wages

Stones can just get by on 30 / 40 k a week, asnd playing against Arsenal man utd man city every week still

Murphy got the chance to stay and go to Fleetwood and burton or go to Middlesborough and forest with Brighton

 

[Bladesince59]

I thought the headline was for the year we get promoted/ UTB

 

[RMBlade]

Still nothing likegetting lured from league one and league one wages

Stones can just get by on 30 / 40 k a week, asnd playing against Arsenal man utd man city every week still

Murphy got the chance to stay and go to Fleetwood and burton or go to Middlesborough and forest with Brighton

Murphy could get by on 5/6k a week

Stones got the chance to stay and play against Bournemouth, Norwich and Sunderland or go to Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern with Chelseas.

Can you see what picking the smallest teams compared to the biggest teams can do?

Im not against Murphy wanting to leave and better himself, but he was in a very similar situation as Stones (who also wanted to leave). Maybe Everton don't mind forcing players to stay or maybe stones has a bit more respect for Everton after coming through their youth system rather than Murphy being here 2 years,

 

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Murphy could get by on 5/6k a week

Stones got the chance to stay and play against Bournemouth, Norwich and Sunderland or go to Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern with Chelsea,

would you , youd say to your wife come on love we dont need 20 k a week , I dont want to upset RMblade
I like our Ford Mondeo why would we want a bmw x8
he wasnt guarenteed first team football at Chelsea , Stones,never mind selection for cl games

 

[Grecian2000]

Still nothing likegetting lured from league one and league one wages

Stones can just get by on 30 / 40 k a week, asnd playing against Arsenal man utd man city every week still

Murphy got the chance to stay and go to Fleetwood and burton or go to Middlesborough and forest with Brighton

and, of course, that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the contract can be enforced or not.

However, we'll go along with the game and you can explain why Leeds kept a young Beckford and Huddersfield a free scoring Rhodes when they refused to sign a new contract and wanted to leave even though they were in the same division as we are now.

A contract is a contract whether you've signed it for Alfreton or Arsenal and is a legally binding document that can be enforced if the will is there. We have proved, time after time, that we have no will to do so. That's fair enough, however, let's not pretend it has to be that way because other clubs have proved, by their actions, that it doesn't.

 

[RMBlade]

would you , youd say to your wife come on love we dont need 20 k a week , I dont want to upset RMblade
I like our Ford Mondeo why would we want a bmw x8
he wasnt guarenteed first team football at Chelsea , Stones,never mind selection for cl games

I think 240K a year will get you a slightly better car than a Mondeo.

Stones would have at least doubled his wages if he moved. Im pretty sure if chelsea were going to pay 30M+ on him he would have been first team, hes better than Zouma and probably better than Cahill. Also Murphy wasn't guaranteed first team football at Brighton.

At the end of the day they were both life changing transfers.

As stated above I didn't mind Murphy leaving, I'm also not against the board allowing him to leave, but I am against the board/ NA not replacing him.

Everton have already got a replacement for Stones (Funes Mori) for when he leaves in Jan/ the summer.

We just don't react to anything until its way too late.

 

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and, of course, that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the contract can be enforced or not.

However, we'll go along with the game and you can explain why Leeds kept a young Beckford and Huddersfield a free scoring Rhodes when they refused to sign a new contract and wanted to leave even though they were in the same division as we are now.

A contract is a contract whether you've signed it for Alfreton or Arsenal and is a legally binding document that can be enforced if the will is there. We have proved, time after time, that we have no will to do so. That's fair enough, however, let's not pretend it has to be that way because other clubs have proved, by their actions, that it doesn't.

you keep going on about contracts , they are worthless in league one , you cant stop someone from bettering themselves
and if the player wants to leave
Murphy insisted he wanted away , when that happens they go,
Ill stay but Im not giving my all seals the deal, His ambition out weighed our desire to keep him
the club asked him to stay they can do no more,we could have made a very unhappy player stay but what is the point if his hearts not in it
no passion = no good

again Everton can attract players as they play in the prem and get prem tv money
we attract a much lesser player to drop to league one

we cant begin to compare with Everton on being prepared

 

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http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...amie-murphy-can-benefit-all-parties-1-7417444

Adkins says it all
What was Adkins to say? That he wanted a good player to go? He was always going to opt for the ideal world, knowing all along that only a handful of managers actually operate in one. The other bottom line question is this: how do you reasonably stop a player jumping a level for a four-year contract on much improved terms with a chance to fulfil a burning ambition to play for Scotland?

 

[Grecian2000]

you keep going on about contracts , they are worthless in league one , you cant stop someone from bettering themselves
and if the player wants to leave
Murphy insisted he wanted away , when that happens they go,
Ill stay but Im not giving my all seals the deal, His ambition out weighed our desire to keep him
the club asked him to stay they can do no more,we could have made a very unhappy player stay but what is the point if his hearts not in it
no passion = no good

again Everton can attract players as they play in the prem and get prem tv money
we attract a much lesser player to drop to league one

we cant begin to compare with Everton on being prepared

You seem to have failed, no surprise, to explain why/how Division 3 Leeds and Huddersfield kept hold of their "want away" top strikers in the season's they got promoted.

For what it's worth, at the end of the last transfer window, Jeff Stelling was asking his usual Saturday panel about players being "kept against their will" and how they might sulk and not play. EVERY ONE of the ex professionals told him that simply wouldn't happen. That the player involved would play for his future and not to punish his club.
It's a complete fallacy, unless you can name these players who have done fuck all once made to honour their contracts (obviously you'll have to look outside S2).

 

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You seem to have failed, no surprise, to explain why/how Division 3 Leeds and Huddersfield kept hold of their "want away" top strikers in the season's they got promoted.

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try they didnt want away as much as Murphy did
and both went at the end of the season

it really is that simple

 

[Grecian2000]

Or, back in the real world, they couldn't get away because the club wouldn't let them. That's the really simple bit.

EVERY club, not just us, spouts the "we couldn't possibly keep them" bullshit when it suits them to take the money and run. As can be seen on several examples should the club choose to enforce the contract THEY CAN DO IT. It is their legal right to do so, everything else is just noise.