£7.5m bank loan

[Sean Thornton]

Those things are true but Wilder said that the money had not been touched. The implication was that, at that time, it was not needed.

As you say, it probably is now.

In that regard, the factoring of the rest of the Brooks fee is interesting, because under the agreement between the co-owners that transaction could not have happened without both agreeing to it. This suggests that they have put the argument about how they will fund to one side: it is not necessary to debate it now they have the Brooks money to leverage.

They've funded it through borrowings because neither would be stupid enough to put money into shares or a loan when there's a legal battle ahead and they could lose it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The ST price increase plus the prevalence of Cat A games this season will more than cover the drop off in attendances. Next season will be the problem. If we don't go up the gates will drop even more, Cat B & C's will be offered more to get the fans back and further player sales will be necessary to cover the losses. Those laughing at the pigs now over their finances won't find it so funny then.

We've overspent like the Pigs now. It's like Jackanory on here sometimes.

Their financial problems are to do with what they've spent and are committed to. Not a fall in income.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Early July. There were many deals in June.

No one else bid. It's that simple. The idea that greedy McCabe would forego a few million for the sake of a few days is nonsense. It's just an argument to try and get around the fact that there were NO other bids, let alone higher ones.

You and your fellow McCawber apologists keep repeating this ad nauseum. Of course there was only one offer, the club accepted it and pre-empted any further offers. The bulk of the big deals are done at the end of the transfer window and United excluded themselves from this season's frenzy due to their cash and grab policy in July.

 

[I should coco]

You and your fellow McCawber apologists keep repeating this ad nauseum. Of course there was only one offer, the club accepted it and pre-empted any further offers. The bulk of the big deals are done at the end of the transfer window and United excluded themselves from this season's frenzy due to their cash and grab policy in July.

FACT!

The club are obviously far too stupid to have contacted the hundreds of other interested parties saying, 'we are about to sell DB so please make an offer in now if you are interested'.

Equally his agent was in on this and preferred to take a percentage of a lower offer rather than the same percentage of the many higher offers that were on the table. Agents are very stupid people and notoriously bad with money.

FACT!

KM drove down to Bournemouth as soon as the offer was made and marched their owner to cash till to get the first installmet paid out in notes.

FACT!

The best deals are always done half an hour before the deadline closes. This still leaves more than enough time to get ample replacements in, er......

 

[Sean Thornton]

You and your fellow McCawber apologists keep repeating this ad nauseum. Of course there was only one offer, the club accepted it and pre-empted any further offers. The bulk of the big deals are done at the end of the transfer window and United excluded themselves from this season's frenzy due to their cash and grab policy in July.

So let's get this straight, you're claiming the offer came i and it was accepted immediately? Meanwhile, all these other clubs, who valued Brooks at more than we accepted presumably, snoozed and let him slip out of their hands? You seriously believe that? There were no other bids. No one tried to sign him other than Howe. No matter what you say. Where was the continuing interest from Liverpool, Everton and Spurs?

You've changed tack, you originally said it was one of the first deals of the summer. It wasn't. Nowhere near.

Leave you anti McCabe agenda out of it, admit your opinions aren't factual simply opinions and look at it as if you were in the real world.

 

[snootyfenooty]

FACT!

The club are obviously far too stupid to have contacted the hundreds of other interested parties saying, 'we are about to sell DB so please make an offer in now if you are interested'.

Equally his agent was in on this and preferred to take a percentage of a lower offer rather than the same percentage of the many higher offers that were on the table. Agents are very stupid people and notoriously bad with money.

FACT!

KM drove down to Bournemouth as soon as the offer was made and marched their owner to cash till to get the first installmet paid out in notes.

FACT!

The best deals are always done half an hour before the deadline closes. This still leaves more than enough time to get ample replacements in, er......

You got the first part correct that's for sure. The club definitely are far too stupid to conduct transfer dealings to our advantage. That you suggest agents, who comprise in their ranks the likes of Darius Henderson, as some super financial gurus who our board are no match for just about sums up the level our board are at.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You and your fellow McCawber apologists keep repeating this ad nauseum. Of course there was only one offer, the club accepted it and pre-empted any further offers. The bulk of the big deals are done at the end of the transfer window and United excluded themselves from this season's frenzy due to their cash and grab policy in July.

FACT!

The club are obviously far too stupid to have contacted the hundreds of other interested parties saying, 'we are about to sell DB so please make an offer in now if you are interested'.

Equally his agent was in on this and preferred to take a percentage of a lower offer rather than the same percentage of the many higher offers that were on the table. Agents are very stupid people and notoriously bad with money.

FACT!

KM drove down to Bournemouth as soon as the offer was made and marched their owner to cash till to get the first installmet paid out in notes.

FACT!

The best deals are always done half an hour before the deadline closes. This still leaves more than enough time to get ample replacements in, er......

FACT
There was no other bid in BEFORE the AFCB one either. Wonder what stopped that from happening?

 

[I should coco]

That you suggest agents, who comprise in their ranks the likes of Darius Henderson, as some super financial gurus who our board are no match for just about sums up the level our board are at.

Eh?

Are you seriously suggesting that an agent who makes a living by taking a percentage of transfer fees, would have overlooked higher offers, just to rush DB to Bournemouth at KM's behest?

 

[snootyfenooty]

So let's get this straight, you're claiming the offer came i and it was accepted immediately? Meanwhile, all these other clubs, who valued Brooks at more than we accepted presumably, snoozed and let him slip out of their hands? You seriously believe that? There were no other bids. No one tried to sign him other than Howe. No matter what you say. Where was the continuing interest from Liverpool, Everton and Spurs?

You've changed tack, you originally said it was one of the first deals of the summer. It wasn't. Nowhere near.

Leave you anti McCabe agenda out of it, admit your opinions aren't factual simply opinions and look at it as if you were in the real world.

The feeding frenzy in the transfer window happens in the week leading up to the deadline. That's why Waghorn's value went up from the £4m United were willing to pay at the time of the Brooks sale to £7m+ at the close of the window. This is just one example. Ipswich simply held their nerve, something we were unable to do.

I do not have an agenda against McCawber. I just happen to think we will never progress whilst he is at the helm and we will be better off when he fucks off. That's my opinion if it's allowed.

 

[I should coco]

FACT
There was no other bid in BEFORE the AFCB one either. Wonder what stopped that from happening?

LIE!

It's a well known fact that Barcelona were putting together a £25m bid, but KM wanted to accept the AFCB bid as it was the 'first one'.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Eh?

Are you seriously suggesting that an agent who makes a living by taking a percentage of transfer fees, would have overlooked higher offers, just to rush DB to Bournemouth at KM's behest?

Any outcome is possible in a negotiation between McCawber and Darius Henderson. Why are you putting these clowns on a pedestal?

 

[Sean Thornton]

You got the first part correct that's for sure. The club definitely are far too stupid to conduct transfer dealings to our advantage. That you suggest agents, who comprise in their ranks the likes of Darius Henderson, as some super financial gurus who our board are no match for just about sums up the level our board are at.

I bet Even Darius Donkeyson would realise the higher the fee and deal he got for Brooks would increase his earnings. The question put forward is why didn't he? Left field here, but maybe their wasn't one on the table?

 

[Sean Thornton]

The feeding frenzy in the transfer window happens in the week leading up to the deadline. That's why Waghorn's value went up from the £4m United were willing to pay at the time of the Brooks sale to £7m+ at the close of the window. This is just one example. Ipswich simply held their nerve, something we were unable to do.

I do not have an agenda against McCawber. I just happen to think we will never progress whilst he is at the helm and we will be better off when he fucks off. That's my opinion if it's allowed.

Of course you're opinion is allowed. But if you say things like Ipswich held their nerve when the reality was they had interest from Derby, it's going to be questioned. United had no other interest in Brooks, however much you try to spin it.

 

[I should coco]

Any outcome is possible in a negotiation between McCawber and Darius Henderson.

So you are seriously saying that a greedy avaricious agent would look the other way and not get the absolute maximum for himself and his client?

Why are you putting these clowns on a pedestal?

Pedestal? What are you talking about?

I'm saying there were no other bids. Your anti-McCabe bias seems to assume that everyone else involved in the is deal is stupid and refused toi take the higher bids that you (wrongly) believe were out there.

 

[LJBlade]

The feeding frenzy in the transfer window happens in the week leading up to the deadline. That's why Waghorn's value went up from the £4m United were willing to pay at the time of the Brooks sale to £7m+ at the close of the window. This is just one example. Ipswich simply held their nerve, something we were unable to do.

I do not have an agenda against McCawber. I just happen to think we will never progress whilst he is at the helm and we will be better off when he fucks off. That's my opinion if it's allowed.

If Waghorn's value went up to £7+ then it came back down at some point because Derby signed his for £5m...

https://www.skysports.com/football/...erby-medical-after-turning-down-middlesbrough

Note that "Ipswich originally set a £10m valuation on the player" and sold him for half of that. Excellent 'nerve holding' by Ipswich there.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Any outcome is possible in a negotiation between McCawber and Darius Henderson. Why are you putting these clowns on a pedestal?

It sounds like you have all the answers so I’m assuming that you have a very successful business. Why don’t you buy the club and show these clowns how to run a football club?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Perhaps slightly bizarrely, had Brooks stayed with us he probably would have been viewing Saturday’s game from the bench...

 

[Mark Hammond]

Sheffield Star spilled the beans now.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...-david-brooks-transfer-fee-revealed-1-9386271

 

[Sheffsteel]

I can't accept that we got less than £12m for such a fantastic talent.

Sheffield United, always knowingly undersold.

This again. Brooks couldn’t even hold down a regular place in the Championship.
He was 21 and hardly played any 1st team football anywhere.
Bournemouth we’re taking a risk buying potential, no other PL club were interested in making the same gamble.
If Brooks was still here, we’d probably wouldn’t have bought Norwood or Egan and we’d now probably be mid table.

No player is bigger than the club,
the big picture was at the clubs state of developement in Summer 18, this has been a great deal and has helped us improve.

 

[blade too long]

https://www.clubcall.com/premier-le...n-the-pipeline-as-cherries-emerge-from-shadow
The first offer was mid May for 10m we took 12.5m an increase of 25% in mid July
Hardly rushed through for the first offer made. But do tell porkies to back up a conspiracy theory

 

[Sheffsteel]

How much is brooks worth now three months after we practically gave him away,but hey we've got a 5% sell on clause so thats ok .

The transfer valuations aren’t linear and have nothing to do with linear ability.

Once we were promoted to the Championship the valuation of all our players increased, just by being in the Championship.
Just by playing DB in the Premiership means his value has already increased regards other PL wanting him.
How can SU as sellers rave about DB worth, when he couldn’t even get in our team.

Still don’t rate Calvert-Lewin, he was 5th choice striker when we sold him.
he’s decent but at best an average Championship player, so a fair valuation would be 3 million or so.
However that figure is peanuts for Everton and the fact he’s played in the PL probably means he’d cost 15 million to another PL club.

 

[Sheffsteel]

What happens if in January O'Connell, Sharp, Duffy, Egan, McGoldrick, Coutts and Norwood all want to go?

Will we sell them all? Can we not keep them in that situation?

Easy answer,...Wilder will do what’s best for the club and most likely to result in promotion.
I often think if a player wants to leave...then look for options/ replacements and if we can get a great deal...then we can actually come out better due to the sale. Its called wheeling and dealing, sometimes it’s best to sell players whilst they are hot as long as the replacement is as good or better in the long term.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Pedestal? What are you talking about?

I'm saying there were no other bids. Your anti-McCabe bias seems to assume that everyone else involved in the is deal is stupid and refused toi take the higher bids that you (wrongly) believe were out there.

It sounds like you have all the answers so I’m assuming that you have a very successful business. Why don’t you buy the club and show these clowns how to run a football club?

Sorry, but unlike you two, I'm unable to take a business negotiation between McCabe and Darius Henderson seriously. It would be like two of the Teletubbies poncing around.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Easy answer,...Wilder will do what’s best for the club and most likely to result in promotion.

That's a very good answer. It will get you lots of likes but doesn't add anything to this debate or offer a solution.

 

[Sheffsteel]

That's a very good answer. It will get you lots of likes but doesn't add anything to this debate or offer a solution.

It’s because it’s a daft question. If one of our star player wants to leave then there are so many variables to consider.
But ultimately the simple answer is “you do what’s best for the club’
Sometimes that means a player is sold, sometimes we keep the player, hopefully Wilder makes the decision.

Remember a few years ago when Che Adams was going to be the next big PL star and future England international.
Many were convinced he’d be sold immediately, this never happened as we gave him a new contract / big pay rise, his form dipped Immediately after that pay rise.

The following season after his dip in form he was sold to Birmingham. Our fans were convinced we’d undersold him because he was worth 5 to 10 million. Adams was a massive talent but he’s not pulled up any trees at Birmingham and doesn’t look PL standard.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It’s because it’s a daft question. If one of our star player wants to leave then there are so many variables to consider.
But ultimately the simple answer is “you do what’s best for the club’
Sometimes that means a player is sold, sometimes we keep the player.

Remember a few years ago when Che Adams was going to be the next big PL star and future England international.
Many were convinced he’s be sold immediately, this never happened as we gave him a big pay rise.
The following season he was sold to Birmingham. Our fans were convinced we’d undersold him because he was worth over 10 million.
Adam was a massive talent but he’s not pulled up any trees at Birmingham and doesn’t look PL standard.

If you believe Harry Redknapp, Brum have turned down over 10 million for Adams: https://birmingham.vitalfootball.co.uk/redknapp-names-club-who-bid-10m-for-adams/

 

[MobileBlade]

If you believe Harry Redknapp, Brum have turned down over 10 million for Adams: https://birmingham.vitalfootball.co.uk/redknapp-names-club-who-bid-10m-for-adams/

Birmingham were only getting £500K of it though.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Birmingham were only getting £500K of it though.

Rosie the dog gets everywhere. The Cayman islands is a particular favourite (so I hear).

 

[snootyfenooty]

It’s because it’s a daft question. If one of our star player wants to leave then there are so many variables to consider.
But ultimately the simple answer is “you do what’s best for the club’
Sometimes that means a player is sold, sometimes we keep the player, hopefully Wilder makes the decision.

Remember a few years ago when Che Adams was going to be the next big PL star and future England international.
Many were convinced he’d be sold immediately, this never happened as we gave him a new contract / big pay rise, his form dipped Immediately after that pay rise.

The following season after his dip in form he was sold to Birmingham. Our fans were convinced we’d undersold him because he was worth 5 to 10 million. Adams was a massive talent but he’s not pulled up any trees at Birmingham and doesn’t look PL standard.

You've just about proved my point there. As another poster has pointed out above and Adams, as you have admitted, has not pulled any trees up, is now worth not much less than what we sold Brooks for and 10x what we received for him. That tells you all you need to know about our boards ability to conduct a transfer negotiation to our advantage. Dunces.

 

[Tom Bott]

We shipped him out first offer

If you ignore their previous offer then yes.