Short Termism.

[Pollingtonblade]

Thought this deserved its own thread.

The general consensus seems to be our managers sign 'experienced' players known to them. This is probably because they know their tenure will be short and therefore they are signing the older heads who they trust.

Perhaps the club should consider this and ensure someone is in place with the long term interests of club at its heart?


As seemingly if Mcabe and Prince carry on sacking managers for failing to get promotion we will continue to go round in circles.

 

[Sheffsteel]

LS,

In general the call to sack or keep managers is driven by the fans.

If we fail to gain promotion and sign 3 or 4 new players then will our fans still renew their season tickets?

Will our fans criticise the club or keep faith with Adkins? Will they demand a new manager?

It's been pressure on the board that's eventually led to most of the sackings.

Personally I'm sick and tired of changing managers every season. So whilst ever where in and around the playoff spots I would prefer to keep our manager. (For the time being).

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I think the OP is right.

I guess I have been as guilty as anyone in the past. I would have kept Wilson, but I wanted to see the back of clough.

However although Adkins displays similar worrying traits to clough, he does seem to be a sentient human being so I don't think we should get rid. We have to start investing in our longer term future. As you say, short termism just leads to managers falling back on old favourites.

 

[Tezza1889]

LS,

In general the call to sack or keep managers is driven by the fans.

If we fail to gain promotion and sign 3 or 4 new players then will our fans still renew their season tickets?

Will our fans criticise the club or keep faith with Adkins? Will they demand a new manager?

It's been pressure on the board that's eventually led to most of the sackings.

Personally I'm sick and tired of changing managers every season. So whilst ever where in and around the playoff spots I would prefer to keep our manager. (For the time being).

But we didn't call for cloughs head....

We didn't ever sing weir out if my memory served me well... (Well I didn't anyway)

And we fans (barney aside) won't call for Adkins head even if we don't make the playoffs.... It's not the fans driving this, not since Robson ... It's the board..

 

[Grecian2000]

Two FULL seasons is the absolute minimum unless you take the team from top half to relegation zone in a Heath/Robson/Weir fashion.

For mangers to be sacked in and around the play-offs in less than this time span is just plain stupid. We keep doing it and it's got to fucking stop no matter how fucking irate the Twitter Twats get and how under pressure Silly Jim feels.
Get the fuck off Twatter and start supporting the manager you've put in place. If you can't do that fuck off somewhere else.

 

[Rodders]

But we didn't call for cloughs head....

We didn't ever sing weir out if my memory served me well... (Well I didn't anyway)

And we fans (barney aside) won't call for Adkins head even if we don't make the playoffs.... It's not the fans driving this, not since Robson ... It's the board..

Not overtly, but don't forget the effect slow ST sales has on things.

 

[Barney]

But we didn't call for cloughs head....

We didn't ever sing weir out if my memory served me well... (Well I didn't anyway)

And we fans (barney aside) won't call for Adkins head even if we don't make the playoffs.... It's not the fans driving this, not since Robson ... It's the board..

And if he repeats his poor signings thus far in the summer on a much larger scale with a lot more at risk, what then?

We're in this division another three to four years, that's what.

Allowing him to put himself in the situation to do that is just pure foolishness.

 

[Esablade]

And if he repeats his poor signings thus far in the summer on a much larger scale with a lot more at risk, what then?

We're in this division another three to four years, that's what.

Allowing him to put himself in the situation to do that is just pure foolishness.

Who has he actually bought though Barney ...who has he actually paid a transfer fee for?

It's just Billy isn't it...and I'm not even sure whether we didn't just pay off his wages like Leeds did when they signed him from Southampton.

Adkins is feeding off scrap's..

 

[Esablade]

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[Esablade]

Edit...lol...Train=Tunnels=equal multiple posts!

 

[Barney]

Who has he actually bought though Barney ...who has he actually paid a transfer fee for?

It's just Billy isn't it...and I'm not even sure whether we didn't just pay off his wages like Leeds did when they signed him from Southampton.

Adkins is feeding off scrap's..

He brought in Woolford on a three year deal or something stupid. Permanents or not, the recruitment hasn't been good enough and that can't be afforded to happen on as large a scale as the rebuild in the summer. Keeping Adkins as opposed to getting in someone capable of what Adkins has proved he isn't makes the chances of that happening much higher and thus setting us back another three to four years.

 

[Tezza1889]

Just had to log out and back in....lol..

Anyway it's universally accepted that a big factor as to why we're in this mess is the constant changing of managers, most don't want us to carry on down that street, and who is good enough for Sheffield United at the minute?

When we have stuck with a manager we have had by our terms success, it's time to take one for the team, it's crap at the minute, but I won't be getting too upset with Nigel Adkins transfer activity until he retains some of the ones who we clearly would love to see the back of this summer, if he retains any of our non event players, who we know are going straight back into the treatment room / development squad / black hole with thier shiny new contracts neatly tucked up in a little luis Vuitton clutch bag, then, and only then will I start to think he's clueless, I actually think he's got a gameplan, and is a very clever man, let's give him time, I'll put my hands up if I'm wrong I'm a big lad.... Keep the faith..UTB

 

[Esablade]

He brought in Woolford on a three year deal or something stupid. Permanents or not, the recruitment hasn't been good enough and that can't be afforded to happen on as large a scale as the rebuild in the summer. Keeping Adkins as opposed to getting in someone capable of what Adkins has proved he isn't makes the chances of that happening much higher and thus setting us back another three to four years.

Not bad.
But try thinking and then answering the question.

Who has he actually bought yet?

I'm guessing he got his in the best freebie's he could in a short space of time he had to try and sort this mess out...

Woolford was out of contract, a freebie Millwall cast-off..

 

[Barney]

Not bad.
But try thinking and then answering the question.

Who has he actually bought yet?

I'm guessing he got his in the best freebie's he could in a short space of time he had to try and sort this mess out...

It's not about who's he bought and who's he's loaned.

It's about the act of recruiting players clearly not good enough for where we want to be.

 

[Esablade]

It's not about who's he bought and who's he's loaned.

It's about the act of recruiting players clearly not good enough for where we want to be.

No it isn't.
You can't just rock up to a club and say "I'll take him, him and him, erm, for nowt'"

You get the best of what's available and willing to come when shopping in the freebie market.

You're asking him to get. quality players in..I'm suggesting he hasn't been allowed to...yet..

 

[Barney]

You get the best of what's available and willing to come when shopping in the freebie market.

And if such players clearly aren't good enough, why did we sign them? Considering how Adkins keeps harping on about only getting players in that will improve on what we've got. You're contradicting yourself.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

And if such players clearly aren't good enough, why did we sign them? Considering how Adkins keeps harping on about only getting players in that will improve on what we've got. You're contradicting yourself.

Well if Adkins is saying he'll brining in players better than those already here, surely that should appease you?

 

[Barney]

Well if Adkins is saying he'll brining in players better than those already here, surely that should appease you?

But he hasn't so it doesn't.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

But he hasn't so it doesn't.

Through no fault of his own.

Best time to judge him will be after we have cleared out another 10/11 players and he has been allowed to bring in his own players.

Gettung shut of 10/11 players is priority.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Gettung shut of 10/11 players is priority.

Then he'll have enough money to bring Rickie Lambert in

 

[sheffielder]

Adkins has said numerous times that his hands are tied because the squad number is so high, and that next season he will
Be bringing in a different type of player, young athletic etc at the end of the season.

In the meantime was he right or wrong to go with experience till then, think we have to wait for the answer.

 

[TJB.]

He brought in Woolford on a three year deal or something stupid. Permanents or not, the recruitment hasn't been good enough and that can't be afforded to happen on as large a scale as the rebuild in the summer. Keeping Adkins as opposed to getting in someone capable of what Adkins has proved he isn't makes the chances of that happening much higher and thus setting us back another three to four years.

One of the stupidest things I've ever read on here.

If you can't see that Adkins is working with his hands tied then nobody can help you. Woolford has been gash up until recently, but he'll have been a half-decent option on the cheap which is all we can really do until this massive squad is trimmed down. As has been said, Clough spunked the budget on 'ones for the future' and bang average L1 players and we now have to wait until they can all be shipped away. They're not going to get equal or better deals elsewhere, so I imagine many will be happy to sit it out here until summer.

If you also believe Adkins has proved he's not capable of achieving promotion in 8 months whilst working with this lot, you need a reality check. This is a bloke who was hired purely for the fact he's achieved what we want to achieve, at more than one club, on more than one occasion. The Guardiola's and Pellegrini's of this world couldn't get the current squad up. The squad is simply not good enough.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Then he'll have enough money to bring Rickie in

Fixed.

 

[Keen Blade]

What the Adkin's apologists seem to think is that everyone who criticises him wants him to be sacked ,
And so they leap to point out the madness of such a sacking ,
Thereby immediately polarising the debate , quite unnecessarily.

Most of his critics just want him to improve , both on his signings front and on his team selection and tactics. In fact , to live up to his CV.

I cannot understand how a man of such pedigree can be failing so miserably in this weak division that I feel I want to shake some sense into him.

Which is why my Blackpool trip had me seriously questioning the nature of his brief from the Board.

Be in no doubt that with a couple of in-game changes we could have had 3 points.

And then he says we had 8 chances ? I'm sorry Nigel , count again.

What happens to managers when they arrive at the Lane ?

I am absolutely AGAINST sacking NA for at least 2 years and AGAINST short-termism from our board.

But I am absolutely SURE that NA ought to IMPROVE his performance on all fronts.

I don't see anything wrong with pointing out his current deficiencies so they are aired and may get back to him.

I am NOT starting a clamour to sack him - that's how most reasonable people differ from Barney.

 

[Esablade]

And if such players clearly aren't good enough, why did we sign them? Considering how Adkins keeps harping on about only getting players in that will improve on what we've got. You're contradicting yourself.

No I'm not.
You deliberately missing the point.

 

[Barney]

Through no fault of his own.

How is it through no fault of his own? The players we've brought in, Adkins has either got sole responsibility for bringing them in, or he'll have had to approve them before they were. Saying it's got nothing to do with Adkins is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Loxleyviewblade]

He brought in Woolford on a three year deal or something stupid. Permanents or not, the recruitment hasn't been good enough and that can't be afforded to happen on as large a scale as the rebuild in the summer. Keeping Adkins as opposed to getting in someone capable of what Adkins has proved he isn't makes the chances of that happening much higher and thus setting us back another three to four years.

I've got a new neighbour just moved in and I'm gonna blow his fuckin head off because for the last ten years his house has been a fuckin SHAMBLES!.....He's tried cutting the grass but he can't because the last owner used it as a dump site AAAAAGH!

 

[Barney]

One of the stupidest things I've ever read on here.

If you can't see that Adkins is working with his hands tied then nobody can help you. Woolford has been gash up until recently, but he'll have been a half-decent option on the cheap which is all we can really do until this massive squad is trimmed down. As has been said, Clough spunked the budget on 'ones for the future' and bang average L1 players and we now have to wait until they can all be shipped away. They're not going to get equal or better deals elsewhere, so I imagine many will be happy to sit it out here until summer.

If you also believe Adkins has proved he's not capable of achieving promotion in 8 months whilst working with this lot, you need a reality check. This is a bloke who was hired purely for the fact he's achieved what we want to achieve, at more than one club, on more than one occasion. The Guardiola's and Pellegrini's of this world couldn't get the current squad up. The squad is simply not good enough.

You've missed the point altogether. The squad was awful before he arrived, yes, everyone knows that. But he's added to that by making poor signing after poor signing. The majority of the fan base were saying "four to five signings in key positions and we'll be there or thereabouts for the automatics" before the season started, where you one of those? I suspect you were. Had he have got it right and signed those key players in the key positions, this squad would have been a lot further up the table and it'd have a lot better chance at promotion than it has now. As it is he hasn't and that recruitment shouldn't be allowed to be amplified with a lot more signings and a lot more at risk in the summer.

 

[TJB.]

You've missed the point altogether. The squad was awful before he arrived, yes, everyone knows that. But he's added to that by making poor signing after poor signing. The majority of the fan base were saying "four to five signings in key positions and we'll be there or thereabouts for the automatics" before the season started, where you one of those? I suspect you were. Had he have got it right and signed those key players in the key positions, this squad would have been a lot further up the table and it'd have a lot better chance at promotion than it has now. As it is he hasn't and that recruitment shouldn't be allowed to be amplified with the much bigger task he'll have to contend with in the summer.

I don't recall saying so, but I imagine that's what I thought, yes.

But you're missing my point. Not only is everyone after those four or five players, but how are you meant to acquire such players when a lot of funds are tied up in a huge, average squad?

We needed better options at the back and in midfield, so we got Hammond and Edgar. Hammond was awful at first, but he got much better as match fitness came on. Edgar overall for me has been decent, with the exception of a few iffy games (injury perhaps played part there). Woolford has improved since he first came but he's slow and can't beat a man, hence him being only a half-decent option. Sammon had a couple of decent games early on but overall is a very frustrating player and not genuinely good enough. Sharp is Sharp.

A partner for Edgar and a decent left winger with pace would do as a minimum, but any less than that and we have zero chance of going up. Other areas could certainly be improved, but as I say, with the size of this squad and seemingly nobody interested in buying, we're going to struggle.

It's alright saying we should have signed this player and that player, but quality players ain't cheap and our budget was spunked elsewhere.

 

[Revolution]

I don't recall saying so, but I imagine that's what I thought, yes.

But you're missing my point. Not only is everyone after those four or five players, but how are you meant to acquire such players when a lot of funds are tied up in a huge, average squad?

We needed better options at the back and in midfield, so we got Hammond and Edgar. Hammond was awful at first, but he got much better as match fitness came on. Edgar overall for me has been decent, with the exception of a few iffy games (injury perhaps played part there). Woolford has improved since he first came but he's slow and can't beat a man, hence him being only a half-decent option. Sammon had a couple of decent games early on but overall is a very frustrating player and not genuinely good enough. Sharp is Sharp.

A partner for Edgar and a decent left winger with pace would do as a minimum, but any less than that and we have zero chance of going up. Other areas could certainly be improved, but as I say, with the size of this squad and seemingly nobody interested in buying, we're going to struggle.

It's alright saying we should have signed this player and that player, but quality players ain't cheap and our budget was spunked elsewhere.

We had a quality left winger. What happened to him?

And we had a really good centre back 18 months ago. What happened to him?

The difficulty of signing them is only half the story. Selling your under contract good players is creating fresh problems.