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robbiez666 said:
Yes, but not by much on this season's form. Both error prone and Freeman has given more going forward. I do agree, Brayford is a better player.

£1,5 could buy us 2-3 players who would make us significantly better. It won't, because we're club incompetent.
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We are led to believe that money is there Robbie. We could apparently sign 2/3 good players to much us significantly better if you believe that, without selling Brayford, presumably at a loss seeing he isn't that good anymore.

Anyway I'm off to feed my unicorns.
 
Sean Thornton said:
No, you said "never" and "always". Clearly. You've now moved away from that however much you pretend otherwise.

As for the rest you're ignoring the fact that the back four was narrow - presumably on instruction- and are suggesting what should be done as opposed to how the team were actually defending rather than your speculation. Which seeing how we have been playing recently should have meant the "winger" which sounds less defensive and less responsible than "wide midfielder" (which is the reality) would be covering back. If the job of marking a wide attacking player is someone else's and they don't do it so the FB steps out of position the threat could occur inside. If that had happened you'd be slating him for being pulled out wide.
Do you not think the original failing was for our wide right player being in no mans land and not getting back or is he totally blameless in all this?

On another thread a poster refers to three good balls by Brayford towards the front post, where no one made a run despite it being pretty basic tactically, or did you miss those or did he have that clear advantage you use as an excuse.
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'Never' takes a man on - key, 'takes a man on'. Unsaid - without a starting advantage. 'Always' is actually right too if you only look at his recent performances - you'd probably have to go back to his loan spell to find a good cross. Front post crosses are easy, and they're speculative. They're never likely to result in goals when there's a defender on the front post, and every time he's hit those crosses that has been the case.

Maybe the winger should've been covering back but at that stage in the game they can't be expected to cover every single run, the full back should know that better than anybody.

The principles of defending narrow go out of the window the closer the opposition get to your goal. Then it becomes more about marking and stopping the most immediate threat. In today's case, the goalscorer was the biggest threat because he was in the most space and was the most obvious pass. I'll never slate a full back for half covering the wide threat when that threat is at least as big as any central threat, especially when the defence is more well manned centrally.

After watching it again as closely as I can it only cements what I've said. The scorer was the biggest threat, we were well manned in the middle and Brayford didn't need to be there. Tactics only go so far, once it gets to a certain point individuals have to take responsibility. That's football.
 
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HillmortonBlade said:
Let me give this discussion up... name me 2-3 players we could buy and pay the wages of who would improve the side (after showing Brayford the door)??
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I'm not expert on footballers but none of thr best players in this league cost much at all.

If we had actual money (and not Jim b/s) to spend, then I'd rather keep him, but as it seems he haven't I think we'd be stronger as a team with Freeman in plus 3 other players.

We're going nowhere as we are at the moment and Brayford is hardly making a positive contribution. He's too often at fault, or partially at fault, for goals.
 
How anyone can think that out of that back 4 it's Brayford who needs replacing. This forum is slowly and sadly transforming into BladesMad I fear :(

Oh and if Brayford leaves because of that bellend in charge then I'm giving Bramall Lane a much needed break :(

What is happening to our club?...
 
robbiez666 said:
We're going nowhere as we are at the moment and Brayford is hardly making a positive contribution. He's too often at fault, or partially at fault, for goals.
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Whereas I believe he IS making a positive contribution but too often let down by his less capable/motivated colleagues and he is one of the few beacons of ambition in the team from the current situation we find ourselves in.

Am off to sleep on it, still smarting from the shambles I endured this afternoon...
 
Ricky said:
'Never' takes a man on - key, 'takes a man on'. Unsaid - without a starting advantage. 'Always' is actually right too if you only look at his recent performances - you'd probably have to go back to his loan spell to find a good cross. Front post crosses are easy, and they're speculative. They're never likely to result in goals when there's a defender on the front post, and every time he's hit those crosses that has been the case.

Maybe the winger should've been covering back but at that stage in the game they can't be expected to cover every single run, the full back should know that better than anybody.

The principles of defending narrow go out of the window the closer the opposition get to your goal. Then it becomes more about marking and stopping the most immediate threat. In today's case, the goalscorer was the biggest threat because he was in the most space and was the most obvious pass. I'll never slate a full back for half covering the wide threat when that threat is at least as large as any central threat, especially when the defence is more well manned centrally.
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You are ignoring the reality of the situation and replacing it with speculation and ill thought out theory in order to blame Brayford. What you would do and think should happen bears no resemblance to actually playing the game and making decisions based on what you've been told to do and the failure of others to do their job. Defending narrowly involves nullifying certain threats. The whole point of wing backs under those circumstances is that they cover the wide positions defensively. It really is that simple. It matters not that the central areas are well covered. That's the whole point.

As for front post t crosses being speculative so are all balls delivered in. The likelihood of a defender standing on a post playing all forwards onside during an opponents attack coming in from a wide position is highly unlikely though. Have you ever played the game?

BTW

Never - doesn't happen ever.

Always - happens every time.

Wrong on both counts by your own admission.
 
true99blade said:
How anyone can think that out of that back 4 it's Brayford who needs replacing. This forum is slowly and sadly transforming into BladesMad I fear :(

Oh and if Brayford leaves because of that bellend in charge then I'm giving Bramall Lane a much needed break :(

What is happening to our club?...
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As far as I can see none of the Bladesmad riff raff have said he's 'the one who needs replacing'. Just how selling him could benefit the team.

Sean Thornton said:
You are ignoring the reality of the situation and replacing it with speculation and I'll thought out theory in order to blame Brayford. What you would do it think should happen bears no resemblance to actually playing the game and making decisions based on what you've been told to do and the failure of others to do their job. Defending narrowly involves nullifying certain threats. The whole point of wing backs under those circumstances is that they cover the wide positions defensively. It really is that simple. It matters not that the central areas are well covered. That's the whole point.


BTW

Never - doesn't happen ever.

Always - happens every time.

Wrong on both counts by your own admission.
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If you want to see the reality of the situation watch the goal back closely like I just have and tell me how necessary it was for Brayford to be where he was. We weren't playing with dedicated wing backs either.

Pretty desperate (and blatently incorrect) to claim I'm wrong by my own admission on both counts but I know semantics are a favourite of yours, I know you'll squeeze out every little pedantic point you can get and I know how much it means to you to be right. So I understand.
 
Ricky said:
As far as I can see none of the Bladesmad riff raff have said he's 'the one who needs replacing'. Just how selling him could benefit the team.



If you want to see the reality of the situation watch the goal back closely like I just have and tell me how necessary it was for Brayford to be where he was. We weren't playing with dedicated wing backs either.

Pretty desperate (and blatently incorrect) to claim I'm wrong by my own admission on both counts but I know semantics are a favourite of yours, I know you'll squeeze out every little pedantic point you can get and I know how much it means to you to be right. So I understand.
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So your speculation doesn't hold water and you blame semantics. You made two clear statements and then qualified them because they were obviously inaccurate.

I've just watched the goal. Brayford comes across to no avail. Do you want to tell me who was covering that side and where the hell he was?
 
super_pig said:
we were deffo a diamond when he took Bash off but Flynn didnt' seem to understand what he was doing and it seemed to go to .. err. well i don't know actually.. i was trying to figure out what it was.. basically it all went to shit and brayford was totally exposed on the right..
brayford has only been skinned once recently..that was by an overrated cheating wanker called Memphis dePay in the 90th minute
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Fixed it for you ;)
 
Sean Thornton said:
So your speculation doesn't hold water and you blame semantics. You made two clear statements and then qualified them because they were obviously inaccurate.

I've just watched the goal. Brayford comes across to no avail. Do you want to tell me who was covering that side and where the hell he was?
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If that little difference between 'never' and 'always' and 'never' and '90% of the time' is the victory you're fighting for here, I concede, and I hope you enjoy it!

Brayford could see no one was covering that player. He could see he was the most likely recipient of the pass. He knew he had team mates covering the central area. They shouldn't have had a spare man there, and it happens that the spare man was in Brayford's area of the pitch, again.
 
Ricky said:
If that little difference between 'never' and 'always' and 'never' and '90% of the time' is the victory you're fighting for here, I concede, and I hope you enjoy it!

Brayford could see no one was covering that player. He could see he was the most likely recipient of the pass. He knew he had team mates covering the central area. They shouldn't have had a spare man there, and it happens that the spare man was in Brayford's area of the pitch, again.
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Yep, deflect from the main point - not much of a victory when it's pointing out the bleeding obvious. Perhaps I have a clear advantage ?

The ball came across from Swindons (Central) right. Defenders tend to push across to the side where the ball is. It's not 1915. Clearly Brayford should have been stood on the South Stand touch line marking the wide man -or waiting for him to turn up there - while our right hand sided wide man is absolved of any responsibility whatsoever.

Plus you have no idea what Brayford could see. He wasn't watching a TV screen after the game.
 
Sean Thornton said:
So you admit he can go by a player.

Your objection to the fee because other positions were seen as priority is reasonable. It appears though that because you think it's not money well spent, Brayford deserves inaccurate comments on his performances. You've backed off both points already and as has been said by Luke, seem to be ignoring the fact that defensively we are very very narrow which invites opposing wing backs to push up and our wide midfielders aren't capable of keeping with them. Particularly on the right. It's plain to see but blaming Brayford fits.
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Wing backs do get plenty of room down our right but we were coping OK until coutts was subbed . The amount of room after this was alarming as the left back got the freedom of Bramall lane.Do you blame the manager for changing it or the player charged with the responsibility to cover.difficult to say.But Adkins will know which it is.We move on still all to play for
 



finlaytheblade said:
Wing backs do get plenty of room down our right but we were coping OK until coutts was subbed . The amount of room after this was alarming as the left back got the freedom of Bramall lane.Do you blame the manager for changing it or the player charged with the responsibility to cover.difficult to say.But Adkins will know which it is.We move on still all to play for
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Coutts had gone central before that - and was subbed because he took a heavy tackle - you'd have expected Flynn to be in that position but he wasn't . Louis Reed was widish but yes I'd blame Adkins.but then I don't have a hard on for Brayford so I can be more objective.
 
finlaytheblade said:
Wing backs do get plenty of room down our right but we were coping OK until coutts was subbed . The amount of room after this was alarming as the left back got the freedom of Bramall lane.Do you blame the manager for changing it or the player charged with the responsibility to cover.difficult to say.But Adkins will know which it is.We move on still all to play for
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There was a time when visiting full backs would never get near our box
 
Speaking of Brayford, did anyone here hear the exchange between him and Adkins??
 



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