Boss makes it clear

[Treeton Blade]

If only we had half a brain to work around them.

Please enlighten us, oh wise one.

 

[PeteBlade]

If only we had half a brain to work around them.

Yes, because it definitely works the way you're assuming.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No mate, I agreed with the sentiment, I was just being a wanker.

 

[Sean Thornton]

If only those pesky financial fair play rules didn't exist eh?

I read somewhere it's just a case of paying contracts up. Simple.

 

[PeteBlade]

I read somewhere it's just a case of paying contracts up. Simple.

Then we'll have LOADS of money we can just spend on players however we like.

Simple as that.

Can't believe everyone's not doing it.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

"...If it's just general annoyance at everything Blade because we've been in league 3 way too long, then yes I do understand...."

That's probably the bulk of the gripes I hear from most Blades on match day, we are all just sick of not only being in Division 3, but getting a footballing/goal scoring lesson from some of the village teams we play.

Our biggest mistake in recent years was not having a plan B for when Evans went to prison. All history now of course.

Hoskins was plan B. O’Halloran was plan C. OK, they were poor plan B and C but they did exist. In fact, they were so poor that we went for plan D of playing 1 up top and adding Flynn to the midfield.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

There are plenty of players whose contracts are finished in June , that's only 6 months salary cheques if they can be categorized TODAY as the walking-dead , for whatever reason (injury, inconsistency, just plain rubbish).
If we are going to make the "bonus" £1m from Saturday , why can't we use that unexpected windfall to simply pay them off and stop them cluttering up the Club ?
The turnover we budgeted for before the plum FA Cup draw is boosted by £1m - use it to pay the wages of the walking-dead.
Then we have a smaller , more cohesive group , to which Adkins can try and add the much needed 3 to be the first-choice spine of the team.
I honestly don't believe the problem the short-term problem is money.
I think it's that Nigel , if put on the spot today , can't decide in his own mind who to jettison , which is very worrying.
He keeps saying on the radio that he's under pressure to reduce the squad.
Well then , come on Nigel , just tell the board who to pay-off.
Otherwise , all this talk of a June clearout is just blowing more smoke up the fans arses.

The risk is though paying someone off who we might have been able to find a taker for. Paying most our deadwood off would probably require somewhere in the region of £70k per player (90% of 26 weeks at £3k per week). We could have wasted that paying Alcock off when it looks like Donny are going to take him. For others, you would hope we can at least find someone in League 2 who will pay 50% of the contract saving around £35k per player. Adding those sums up, by paying them all off, we might be throwing somewhere in the region of quarter to half a million in the bin that we didn’t need to. There’s then the argument of if we’re going to pay 90% of their wages anyway, why not keep them in case we get an injury crisis? I’m sure we will see outs but I think we’ll look to try to get takers for players before handing out the cheques.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It amazes me that people have so much faith in a clown who couldn't see we needed two centre halves, something he should have spotted as soon as his first alarm clock went off.

He's had us needing to score three goals a game for six fuckin months now.

He could see that. He signed Edgar, brought Collins back into the fold and tried to sign Burn. If Brannigan fails to do the deal and Edgar gets injured, that doesn’t suddenly mean he never saw the need.


Further, you can’t believe some are putting their faith in a “clown”. Who would you rather put your faith in? I’d rather put my faith in a manager that has 3 promotions from this league and one from the league above including back to back straight to the Prem from League 1 and who has just been nominated for the manager of the month award than any other we could realistically attract.


His early signings were players he had worked with before and players with experience. He has commented on the need for scouting and has set Turnbull on to identify fresh blood. His signings so far have all added value to the team at some stage (although Woolford has taken far longer than he should and Hammond hasn’t been as good as we might have hoped for). He hasn’t signed loads of players that can’t get near the team a la Clough.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

No need for the overreaction. We'd be able to get someone else in. Someone that would have signed 2 CB's first, for example. It wasn't difficult. In fact it was really hard to get wrong. Kudos to Adkins for managing it.

We wouldn’t be able to get anyone else in with as good a track record as Adkins that’s for sure. As for what a manager does when he gets here, you don’t know til he’s been appointed. Adkins doesn’t do the deals himself. He may well have asked for 2 CBs as his first names to Brannigan but Sammon may have already been a done deal and Woolford and Sharp were probably easier deals to complete given their history. In any event, we signed Edgar and brought Collins back. I think our goals conceded column isn’t bad when both have played. We’ve had 3 bad games where we conceded 3 against Bury, Colchester and Posh but we’ve also kept clean sheets against Chezzy, Swindon, Blackpool, Coventry, Scunthorpe, Burton etc. Collins is a limited footballer who ideally, I’d like to replace with better but our defence with Brayford and Edgar back is not bad. But we defend as a team and at times, Coutts or Hammond might fail to track a runner from midfield, we might concede from long range efforts/ goalkeeping mistake, there might be a set piece where someone else’s man get’s free. There’s a lot more to preventing goals than the two centre halves.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Definitely how the fuck can we play with 10 men?

Fully expect Long, K. Wallace, Hammond and possibly Edgar to be added to that list. Then we need to bring in another 6-7 of really quality (hopefully a couple of those will arrive in Jan) whilst looking at supplementing with players like DCL, McDonagh, Khan etc.

 

[Grappler]

Hoskins was plan B. O’Halloran was plan C. OK, they were poor plan B and C but they did exist. In fact, they were so poor that we went for plan D of playing 1 up top and adding Flynn to the midfield.

Forgot about Hoskins, lots of promise but injury prone from memory.

 

[BushBlade]

The risk is though paying someone off who we might have been able to find a taker for. Paying most our deadwood off would probably require somewhere in the region of £70k per player (90% of 26 weeks at £3k per week). We could have wasted that paying Alcock off when it looks like Donny are going to take him. For others, you would hope we can at least find someone in League 2 who will pay 50% of the contract saving around £35k per player. Adding those sums up, by paying them all off, we might be throwing somewhere in the region of quarter to half a million in the bin that we didn’t need to. There’s then the argument of if we’re going to pay 90% of their wages anyway, why not keep them in case we get an injury crisis? I’m sure we will see outs but I think we’ll look to try to get takers for players before handing out the cheques.

Imagine if we paid them off and then they got new contracts with other L1 clubs, meaning they'd effectively been paid twice for now until June. Would there be an uproar?

 

[BushBlade]

Forgot about Hoskins, lots of promise but injury prone from memory.

From what I remember he came to us with a groin problem that needed an op at the end of the season. DW1 played him out of position (presumably to keep him match sharp) and he aggravated it.
We also had Beattie who was a fucking disgrace and one of the few players that genuinely deserved the title 'wage thief'.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

From what I remember he came to us with a groin problem that needed an op at the end of the season. DW1 played him out of position (presumably to keep him match sharp) and he aggravated it.
We also had Beattie who was a fucking disgrace and one of the few players that genuinely deserved the title 'wage thief'.

Beattie let us down badly with those 2 ridiculous red cards. The only positive contribution he made was the sub appearance at home to Stevenage but it wasn't quite enough to win us the game.

 

[UnitedUnitedWeStand]

Imagine if we paid them off and then they got new contracts with other L1 clubs, meaning they'd effectively been paid twice for now until June. Would there be an uproar?

Now I'm only a champ manager kind of fan so not sure how it works in real life, but surely Nigel Adkins should decide who he doesn't need, and send a list around the other clubs confirming that these individuals would be allowed to leave on a free transfer. Other clubs are then free to negotiate a contract with said individual and the transfer then takes place.

Upside is we don't pay a penny to pay up any contract and save on 6 months + wages, downside is that we don't receive a transfer fee, but I would like to think that the individuals being listed wouldn't command much of a fee anyway and we aren't missing out on anything. Loan youngsters, but I don't see the point of loaning out experienced players, play them or if they don't have a future get rid now as above.

The above all depends on other teams wanting our cast offs that aren't good enough for Lge 1, but surely this would be the way forward, if there were takers.

 

[TonyAgana]

Paying most our deadwood off would probably require somewhere in the region of £70k per player (90% of 26 weeks at £3k per week)

Not meaning to nit-pick but at least one of those on one of the lists in this thread is on £900 p/w.

 

[BushBlade]

Now I'm only a champ manager kind of fan so not sure how it works in real life, but surely Nigel Adkins should decide who he doesn't need, and send a list around the other clubs confirming that these individuals would be allowed to leave on a free transfer. Other clubs are then free to negotiate a contract with said individual and the transfer then takes place.

Upside is we don't pay a penny to pay up any contract and save on 6 months + wages, downside is that we don't receive a transfer fee, but I would like to think that the individuals being listed wouldn't command much of a fee anyway and we aren't missing out on anything. Loan youngsters, but I don't see the point of loaning out experienced players, play them or if they don't have a future get rid now as above.

The above all depends on other teams wanting our cast offs that aren't good enough for Lge 1, but surely this would be the way forward, if there were takers.

But people are saying pay them off because no-one wants them.
Obviously we're going to offer them to other clubs first before we pay them off.
However, once we've paid them off and there is no transfer fee and given they may then accept a lower wage as they've been paid off and have the cash in their pocket, they may be more attractive to other clubs.

I think the real point is that people are saying 'just pay them off' like that's all there is to it.

 

[BushBlade]

Not meaning to nit-pick but at least one of those on one of the lists in this thread is on £900 p/w.

And some will be on more than £3k a week. It's just an 'average'.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Yeah I plucked £3k as a likely average. It could be a bit less but it was just a "for arguments' sake" figure.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Then we'll have LOADS of money we can just spend on players however we like.

Simple as that.

Can't believe everyone's not doing it.

Your bringing logic and common sense into this Pete. How very dare you!

 

[TonyAgana]

Yeah I plucked £3k as a likely average. It could be a bit less but it was just a "for arguments' sake" figure.

Fair enough chief, but here's my guesses for argument's sake:

< £3k p/w
Adams (non-leaguer)
Alcock (League one regular)
Dimaio (Youth)
Diego (Youth)
Freeman (Champ reserve)
Higdon (Sub-Saharan Africa)
Kennedy (Youth)
McFadzean (Youth)
McGahey (Championship Youth)
McNulty (Scots Champ regular)
J.Wallace (League Two regular)
Reed (Youth)
Scougall (Scots Champ regular)

> £3k p/w
Baxter
Harris (?)
McEverley
Sammon

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Fair enough chief, but here's my guesses for argument's sake:

< £3k p/w
Adams (non-leaguer)
Alcock (League one regular)
Dimaio (Youth)
Diego (Youth)
Freeman (Champ reserve)
Higdon (Sub-Saharan Africa)
Kennedy (Youth)
McFadzean (Youth)
McGahey (Championship Youth)
McNulty (Scots Champ regular)
J.Wallace (League Two regular)
Reed (Youth)
Scougall (Scots Champ regular)

> £3k p/w
Baxter
Harris (?)
McEverley
Sammon

I don't think James Wallace has ever played in league 2.

I think Higdon will be on over £3k. Chesterfield missed out cos he wanted £4k a week apparently so probably on close to that.

Adams and Wallace have recently signed new deals so why maybe a little under £3k, probably not on peanuts.

Alcock came after rejecting a new contract with Posh having played for them in the championship previously. Reckon he'll be on £3k plus.

 

[derryblade]

Can't see the club paying contracts up when 19 contracts end in June anyway which unless NA offers them an extension will create a good wedge of leeway for NA.

 

[TonyAgana]

I don't think James Wallace has ever played in league 2.

I think Higdon will be on over £3k. Chesterfield missed out cos he wanted £4k a week apparently so probably on close to that.

Adams and Wallace have recently signed new deals so why maybe a little under £3k, probably not on peanuts.

Alcock came after rejecting a new contract with Posh having played for them in the championship previously. Reckon he'll be on £3k plus.

My mistake on Tranmere / Wallace, although didn't we sign him injured? Going off another Clough contract, I'd wager any decent money is based on appearances. Definitely <£3k.

Higdon, maybe, although again I'd wager appearance / goals based.

Seriously doubt Ché will have jumped up that far. We paid a player with more experience than him £800p/w in his first season so I reckon he'll have signed for ~£600p/w.

Alcock wasn't bought as a first choice so I can't see us sanctioning £3kp/w basic.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Fair enough chief, but here's my guesses for argument's sake:

< £3k p/w
Adams (non-leaguer)
Alcock (League one regular)
Dimaio (Youth)
Diego (Youth)
Freeman (Champ reserve)
Higdon (Sub-Saharan Africa)
Kennedy (Youth)
McFadzean (Youth)
McGahey (Championship Youth)
McNulty (Scots Champ regular)
J.Wallace (League Two regular)
Reed (Youth)
Scougall (Scots Champ regular)

> £3k p/w
Baxter
Harris (?)
McEverley
Sammon

James Wallace, regular? That's funny!

 

[BushBlade]

James Wallace, regular? That's funny!

He meant he shits a lot.

 

[Bartleby]

why can't we use that unexpected windfall to simply pay them off and stop them cluttering up the Club ?

so it would cost us the same as it would to keep them for the rest of the season? I don't get how that helps, surely getting the squad size down is about saving money not just decluttering for the hell of it. If we had them out on loan we could save some wage costs and then let them go in the summer.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

so it would cost us the same as it would to keep them for the rest of the season? I don't get how that helps, surely getting the squad size down is about saving money not just decluttering for the hell of it. If we had them out on loan we could save some wage costs and then let them go in the summer.

Generally I think a pay-off means they get slightly less than they would have on the basis that it frees them up to sign for someone else immediately. I'm guessing that players still have appearance / win bonuses etc which we would also save, not necessarily much of the latter !

 

[Bartleby]

Generally I think a pay-off means they get slightly less than they would have on the basis that it frees them up to sign for someone else immediately. I'm guessing that players still have appearance / win bonuses etc which we would also save, not necessarily much of the latter !

save a bit on washing as well I suppose, oh hang on though most of these aren't playing at the moment are they

 

[BushBlade]

Generally I think a pay-off means they get slightly less than they would have on the basis that it frees them up to sign for someone else immediately. I'm guessing that players still have appearance / win bonuses etc which we would also save, not necessarily much of the latter !

Contractually they're entitled to 100% of basic. Some will take less because they know they can get another club so it's a 'bonus'. Others, particularly the sick-notes, will just hold out for the lot.