Thinking of BT Sport? (FA Cup tie). Don't!

[Barney]

Must be dodgy because we don't have Sky Sports at home.

Yep, definitely illegal.

Unless he's using a mates account or something.

I know you can do that with the Sky Go app.

 

[Jonboy60]

Must be dodgy because we don't have Sky Sports at home. I asked him how did you get that, he said anyone can get it.

Then he's got it through something similar to what I'm talking about, not advocating streaming illegally, but the options there.

 

[Jonboy60]

Google, "are android boxes legal" will tell you all you need to know.

 

[More Bladier than thou]

I found kodi and other android streaming boxes very unreliable with streams up and down.buffering at busy times and picture quality crap and just too much hassle

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Then he's got it through something similar to what I'm talking about, not advocating streaming illegally, but the options there.

How is picture quality compared to Sky/BT? Most of the internet streams I've seen look a bit naff (but I'm probably talking about ones on football streaming sites from years ago, with adverts plastered all over them and big, blocky pixels). I could live with a bit of degradation, but I think football in HD looks amazing (I haven't seen a 4k broadcast at home, nor have a 4k TV yet, so I'm not really comparing it to that).

 

[Jonboy60]

How is picture quality compared to Sky/BT? Most of the internet streams I've seen look a bit naff (but I'm probably talking about ones on football streaming sites from years ago, with adverts plastered all over them and big, blocky pixels). I could live with a bit of degradation, but I think football in HD looks amazing (I haven't seen a 4k broadcast at home, nor have a 4k TV yet, so I'm not really comparing it to that).

I've just got a basic 46" LG widescreen, on 1080 pixels, just as good as normal tv.

 

[Hollinsend]

We were with Virgin for 4 years in our old house. Thought the service we received was top-notch, from every time we spoke to the call-centre (only twice I think) to the engineers that came and installed our TiVo box.
Since we moved house we've had to go with Sky as Virgin don't do our area. The Sky box in comparison is utter shit; Virgin pisses all over it. When Virgin get into our area, we'd move over like a shot.

Similar experience here, Virgin has been pretty good and support has been fine. Subscribed to Sky Sports via Virgin and they bundle BT Sport into the package with HD. We had Sky for a while a few years ago and I'd say the Virgin service is just much better.

 

[Blade82]

Fucking hate them going through exact same issue at the minute.

 

[Bladesway]

.most people don't bother to read those bits when signing up...but in truth, BT and the rest should highlight these 'exit fee's' more.

Actually in truth if you know it is there and they know it is in there, you should either sign it and shut up or not sign it and, um shut up. Either way if you don't read the T's and C's your a dick.

 

[Jonboy60]

Had bt sport through bt line rental contract, when I decided to go the full package with sky, Internet, line rental and calls, didn't realise when I cancelled bt, that the sport part of it was independent to the rest, and was getting charged for bt sport for months after.

 

[Jonboy60]

I found kodi and other android streaming boxes very unreliable with streams up and down.buffering at busy times and picture quality crap and just too much hassle

Was that through wi fi streaming, or Ethernet link. Ghlf.

 

[penthouseblade]

My bad, thought it was Sky.

My bad? That doesnt make sense, dont you mean my mistake?!

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Actually in truth if you know it is there and they know it is in there, you should either sign it and shut up or not sign it and, um shut up. Either way if you don't read the T's and C's your a dick.

The thing is, nobody reads the T&C's, and that's what they rely on; like Esablade said, with consumer contracts they are supposed to highlight anything that is to the detriment of the consumer. I do suspect I saw an advert, saw the pricing and there was a tiny "*" somewhere around with a shed load of tiny writing saying I had to be BT's bitch, that was part of my complaint, but only a small part (the vast majority is how useless they are as a company). I've talked to a few friends and family about this, and almost to a man, they had a story to tell about BT overcharging, continuing to bill them after a contract, crappy customer service, etc, etc. Back when they were the only player in town they might have been able to treat customers like that, but in this day and age it is incredulous that any company would want to be driving away paying customers!

Coming back to your point, I've never met anyone who has read the complete terms and conditions of anything (and I studied law, and did advice work for a time with an interest in consumer law!). You get an update for IOS and there's a 67 page, scrolling document with size 4 font filled with legal language, buy an operating system (Windows) and it comes with a 300 page EULA, hell, buying a book at Amazon probably comes with a few hundred pages of terms and conditions. Pretty much any corporate website will force you to click "agree" on a document that makes War and Peace look like the Hungry Caterpillar. Do you read those? Of course not, nobody does! If you did you'd do nothing else with your day than sit reading terms and conditions!

 

[Esablade]

Actually in truth if you know it is there and they know it is in there, you should either sign it and shut up or not sign it and, um shut up. Either way if you don't read the T's and C's your a dick.

The issue for Flawed appears to be miscommunication over the phone.

From reading his post it would appear that wires have been crossed and he's entered into a contract, the terms of which he didn't agree to...and then BT have decided to charge him cancellation fee's to get out of the contract he claims not to have agreed to in the first place...?

It's easy to be smug about these sort of things when they happen to other people but unless something goes wrong for you personally or you deal with contracts more often than most, you're probably not aware of the full range of exit fee's and penalties you could incur...as I said, the providers don't really highlight these fee's when flogging the stuff over the phone and they're usually buried away on a website or page 18 of the T&C's..if you receive a hard copy.

But hey, fuck em right?

 

[WhiteHawk]

Get yourself an Openbox V8S. It's basically a Freeview box but hook it up to your satellite dish and your router and you can get all the Sky channels, BT Sport, Setanta etc.

A friend of mine has got one. Cost £90 for the box and a 2 year subscription.

 

[FTPE]

I had a "didn't read" gif lined up but it just comes up on here as a picture.
I bow to your superior sarcastic smart arseness and ask how I can add gifs too?

 

[Jonboy60]

Get yourself an Openbox V8S. It's basically a Freeview box but hook it up to your satellite dish and your router and you can get all the Sky channels, BT Sport, Setanta etc.

A friend of mine has got one. Cost £90 for the box and a 2 year subscription.

How much is subscription WH, any idea.

 

[Rodders]

I had a "didn't read" gif lined up but it just comes up on here as a picture.
I bow to your superior sarcastic smart arseness and ask how I can add gifs too?

 

[Linz]

Not that we'd advocate such a thing, but I believe Amazon Fire boxes also run Kodi and depending on your broadband speed, I've heard, streaming HD is not a problem.

Cough.

 

[WhiteHawk]

How much is subscription WH, any idea.

Not sure TBH, the item description said '24 month guarantee' so when "my friend" bought it, he thought it literally meant 24 month guarantee. Turns out it doesn't though and now "my friend" wishes he'd bought the one that said 'lifetime guarantee' for £150.

Good thing is that it doesn't use the internet to stream, it's worked perfectly to watch the Tyson Fury fight the other week on a 0.6MB connection. (Oh yeh, you can get Sky Sports Box Office too)

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Talking of terms and conditions, has anyone seen the "Google Privacy Check" (I think it might be part of Chrome?), from what I can see (I obviously haven't read it all) it forces you to agree that Google can do WTF they like with your browsing data, there's a single button at the bottom saying "agree" (and if you don't agree, say by browsing away from the agreement, every time you visit google.com you get the privacy check coming up instead of being able to search!). I would have though that there isn't a chance in hell that is legally enforceable, but I guess Google pay some damn expensive lawyers to say it is!

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Was that through wi fi streaming, or Ethernet link. Ghlf.

Tried both.Kodi is fine until you want to stream football. Everyone wants live premier league but servers can't take everyone on the same thing. My bt sport log in pass had no problems through the site or AirPlay. It was much cheaper than Kodi etc too. All champions league an all and no buffering. You need 5mbps download speed.

 

[FTPE]

Not on the phone mate, il leave you to do the funnies for both of us.

 

[Jonboy60]

Tried both.Kodi is fine until you want to stream football. Everyone wants live premier league but servers can't take everyone on the same thing. My bt sport log in pass had no problems through the site or AirPlay. It was much cheaper than Kodi etc too. All champions league an all and no buffering. You need 5mbps download speed.

Got 9 Mbps.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Oh! KODI is XBMC! Now I know what you're on about!

 

[Jonboy60]

Not sure TBH, the item description said '24 month guarantee' so when "my friend" bought it, he thought it literally meant 24 month guarantee. Turns out it doesn't though and now "my friend" wishes he'd bought the one that said 'lifetime guarantee' for £150.

Good thing is that it doesn't use the internet to stream, it's worked perfectly to watch the Tyson Fury fight the other week on a 0.6MB connection. (Oh yeh, you can get Sky Sports Box Office too)

Gunna look into that one. Cheers.

 

[Jonboy60]

Not that we'd advocate such a thing, but I believe Amazon Fire boxes also run Kodi and depending on your broadband speed, I've heard, streaming HD is not a problem.

Cough.

Thing with that one Linz is, while kodi is the staple diet for all these boxes, you've got to know how to put "add ons" for specific streaming. I'm no expert by the way, just couldn't afford sky anymore, and this seemed a good option,

 

[Kendal]

Would William Henry Foulkes mind summarising the O/P please?

BT are a bunch of robbing shysters.

We've had similar experiences trying to leave . Despite the connections, both with BT and the Dark Side, we tried to swap to plusnet as it would be MUCH cheaper than BT for a better service. BT managed to fuck it up. Just cancelled the swap without notifying either me or Plusnet. Can't complain though because its Openreach, and only the ISPs can complain. But Openreach are a monopoly, so Plusnet refuse to complain.
Then they decided arbitarily that I wanted to have their shitiest phone service whilst moving broadband to Plusnet. Claimed it was plusnet's fault. Then tried to charge me the early termination fee on a contract I'd never signed, at the same time as a £30 activation fee. Then provided two contradictory 'final bills' both completely wrong - dates entirely wrong and outstanding payments wrong. They even managed to reinstate a direct debit that I'd cancelled. Don't know how that works.
Actually got some progress when I emaied Libby Barr (copied to Ofcom), who had 'signed' a letter to say 'sorry you're leaving' giving the details of the change to plusnet, which confirmed that the people on the phone had lied to me. And 4 months later, I got a message from Ofcom to say that they don't look at customer complaints like that. What the fuck is the point of a regulator who's not actually allowed to regulate? Of course, its to look like the government is looking after the consumer, when really they're looking after their interests and interests of their chums.

Blade links??? Bugger all.

 

[metalblade]

I'm on Virgin and over the years their service has been mixed when everything is running as it should it is great, but I did have an issue a few year ago when they upgraded me to 60Mb broadband soon after someone on the street signed up to Virgin and I lost all my bandwidth it was going that slow I could not even watch Youtube. The guys in India were less than helpful constantly telling me to re-boot the router, when one guy offered to give me a month for free I went ape shit and told him I wasn't phoning to get money of the bill I just wanted the broadband to feckin work ................. finally he agreed to send an engineer to check things out. Then there was the hot summer and the excuse for breakdowns was the green boxes on the streets overheating apparently they were having to put air con in the boxes. My main gripe with Virgin is the yearly price increase I have just been told next year I will be paying £50+ per month and that is only the M+ TV package with no TiVo box, Phone and broadband and they reckon they are upgrading me to up to 200Mb for free............... my arse they are. If I was a new customer I would get much more for less than I pay now, I'll let the wife argue with them ovey Xmas because I would just lose patience and tell em to feck off.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Talking of terms and conditions, has anyone seen the "Google Privacy Check" (I think it might be part of Chrome?), from what I can see (I obviously haven't read it all) it forces you to agree that Google can do WTF they like with your browsing data, there's a single button at the bottom saying "agree" (and if you don't agree, say by browsing away from the agreement, every time you visit google.com you get the privacy check coming up instead of being able to search!). I would have though that there isn't a chance in hell that is legally enforceable, but I guess Google pay some damn expensive lawyers to say it is!

Good 'ol Google...just like this spoof of Facebook