The Shit player myth

[SwissBlade]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

 

[Tyler Durden]

But if the side as a unit is shit, surely that's all that counts?

 

[SwissBlade]

But if the side as a unit is shit, surely that's all that counts?

It does, I'm not disputing that.

It's more reason for these players to be ashamed

 

[DronnieBlade]

Fuckin Higdon bagged a brace last night.

So you may have a point !!

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[SwissBlade]

Fuckin Higdon bagged a brace last night.

So you may have a point !!

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Missed a pen too didn't he?

 

[Smirth]

The vast majority is average and unmotivated. Yes players have dropped down to play for us but I'd argue this is more because we have a reputation for giving out handsome contracts for players with their best years behind them. We've been doing it for the whole time we've been down here.

These players lack the hunger and motivation of younger players from these leagues to succeed, mainly because they've already achieved playing at higher levels so that same desire isn't there. Of our current crop this can be said for Sharp, Sammon, Hammond, Collins, Edgar, Basham at least, they are all mostly first choice players too which explains the lack of hunger which is our biggest issue IMO.

 

[alcoblade]

How many of our players were playing regularly at a higher level when we signed them - None, I suspect.

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[Tyler Durden]

It does, I'm not disputing that.

It's more reason for these players to be ashamed

I can see where you're coming from now I think of it. This is in effect the same squad that nearly came up with a heroic result against Spurs in the cup and now we're being served up with this garbage. Which adds to my utter contempt.

 

[Rodders]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

Well, Foulkes will give you a like anyway.

 

[bricktop]

How many of our players were playing regularly at a higher level when we signed them - None, I suspect.

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I remember when Warnock signed Danny Cullip, he didn't fit in, wasn't a good influence and got binned off to Forest who were in the same predicament we find ourselves in.

Fast forwards a few years and if there is a Danny Cullip signing to be made, we are the ones who are gonna be making it

 

[SwissBlade]

How many of our players were playing regularly at a higher level when we signed them - None, I suspect.

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Don't misunderstand me, they're in league one for a reason, but how many of Shrewsbury's side have played at the levels our players have?

The point is that we've been favourites because we've got a squad of talented players.

Talent alone doesn't achieve promotion, the players don't have the desire to get out of this league.

In some ways, the likes of Kieran Wallace and Che can be expected to take more time to adjust to the step up, but for players like Baxter, basham, Sammon, sharp, Coutts, Collins, harris and freeman, there can be no excuses.

 

[raul]

Well, Foulkes will give you a like anyway.

We actually drew the second half, so that shows the recovery is well under way.

I want one too.

 

[SwissBlade]

We actually drew the second half, so that shows the recovery is well under way.

I want one too.

You'll always get a like from me raul-o

 

[Dec]

How many of our players were playing regularly at a higher level when we signed them - None, I suspect.

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Brayford, Basham, Higdon, Woolford.

 

[TonyAgana]

Brayford, Basham, Higdon, Woolford.

Woolford was without a club and you could argue about "levels" regarding Higdon and Basham

 

[bricktop]

Woolford was without a club and you could argue about "levels" regarding Higdon and Basham

I work with a Millwall fan and he was less than complimentary about Woolford......

 

[Bladebri]

Swissblade out , no fully understand your reasoning, we do have some good players but collectively they don't always perform, is it Adkins who is not getting the balance right or the players just not giving a fuck. I for 1 think we can play good football but we should at times send it long to the front players instead of trying to do 1 touch football in the final 3rd.

 

[Jon Bon]

Well, Foulkes will give you a like anyway.

Speaking of whom, has anyone informed the authorities of his disappearance?

 

[TonyAgana]

I work with a Millwall fan and he was less than complimentary about Woolford......

Such a strange signing.

 

[Bergen Blade]

How many of our players were playing regularly at a higher level when we signed them - None, I suspect.

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That will very rarely be the case, that we sign regulars from divisions above us.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

id like to challenge the myth that the squad is shit.

Most of the current squad have played at a higher level than league one, some for long periods.

Most of them have voluntarily dropped down to this level to get some matches and success with a 'big club' in a little league

The players as individuals aren't all shit.

The problem is when they get together in a team they don't play as a team.

I think we have too many journeymen out for an easy payday.

We must have a clear out but to label the whole side as shit is inaccurate at best.

I agree with you Swiss - the players aren't shit, but as a unit they do not gell and seem unsuitable for 3rd tier football. The are some decent individual players - I like attributes of some.

My opinion is that we are constantly out run/out played/out fought in midfield. Football has changed at this level and we are not facing up to what is needed to get out of this division. Are we suffering from big club culture instead of doing what is required?

Central defence is quite frankly useless and has been for years.

Core problem for me? - no strength/suitable players at the core.

We unfortunately have to pick the best to stay and say (sadly) thanks, but no thanks to the rest.

My sanity and loyalty is being severely tested with where we are and shades of the 80's are sadly looming.

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[Smirth]

The players responded well to the cup because they saw it as a chance to come up against tough opponents so rose to that task. The problem we have is there is an attitude throughout the club, from boardroom downwards, that we are too big for this league and we are far better than the other teams in this league. This attitude feeds both the teams we come up against wanting to get one over us, and the players we have buying in to this attitude and under estimate opponents.

It stinks. You see it from Jim Phipps on Twitter, regularly saying we aren't we we should be and berating unacceptable results against teams such as Shrewsbury, Bury, Crewe etc. Our chairman shouldn't be openly saying things like that on Twitter IMO. He should be displaying unhappiness with results, but I think words such as "unacceptable" and boasts about our infrastructure portrays arrogance. We are here on merit, the sooner the whole club from top to bottom accepts that we are a League 1 club the better IMO. That doesn't mean we should be targeting promotion each year, we should, but the arrogance and the 'we shouldn't be at this level' attitude needs to be eradicated from the board, management and players.

 

[alcoblade]

That will very rarely be the case, that we sign regulars from divisions above us.

Agreed, but you then can't apply the logic that they must now be good because they have played at a higher level.

The more pertinent point is that their careers are in the way downward, and signing them is an expensive gamble. You catch a falling knife and hope it doesn't cut you. We keep being shredded.

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[Fulwood Blade]

Agreed, but you then can't apply the logic that they must now be good because they have played at a higher level.

The more pertinent point is that their careers are in the way downward, and signing them is an expensive gamble. You catch a falling knife and hope it doesn't cut you. We keep being shredded.

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I think David Edgar comes to mind with your post - Rowett has got rid because he deems him not good enough for the above division.

Thought he looked vulnerable and uncomfortable last night - and we have him till May !

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[Dec]

Woolford was without a club and you could argue about "levels" regarding Higdon and Basham

Woolford was regularly playing at a higher level and said he had offers from that same level, The Championship, but chose to come here.

Eredivisie is surely a higher level than League 1... Higdon scored goals there too.

Basham was a Championship regular - a higher level. Although I agree the team he was playing for was hardly Championship quality.

 

[TonyAgana]

Woolford was regularly playing at a higher level and said he had offers from that same level, The Championship, but chose to come here.

Eredivisie is surely a higher level than League 1... Higdon scored goals there too.

Basham was a Championship regular - a higher level. Although I agree the team he was playing for was hardly Championship quality.

I'm only picking on minor points, mate - judging Eredivise is a difficult one though. His club, according to Wikipedia, has a capacity of 12,000. Sounds a bit League One to me!

 

[Bartleby]

Fuckin Higdon bagged a brace last night.

So you may have a point !!

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and McNulty a hat trick - all in the second half

 

[Boxer Blade]

I think adkins has brought in five players either full time or on loan, Sharpe and woolford were playing in championship last year and the three loans Edgar, salmon and Hammond again were all playing last season at least in the division above, thats half a team of outfield players! Does make you wonder wether Swiss has a point, so where does the problem lay?

 

[Revolution]

Speaking of whom, has anyone informed the authorities of his disappearance?

I assume he's working on a long post claiming that we're a bunch of World beaters.

 

[alcoblade]

Woolford was regularly playing at a higher level and said he had offers from that same level, The Championship, but chose to come here.

Eredivisie is surely a higher level than League 1... Higdon scored goals there too.

Basham was a Championship regular - a higher level. Although I agree the team he was playing for was hardly Championship quality.

Milwall and Blackpool were both relegated in the same season that we bought Basham and Woolford - says it all.

There's no great difference between the championship and league one - look at the teams who go up who seem to stay up. Buying players who aren't good enough for the championship is clearly no way of building a squad to get into it.

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