Players who should be sold/loaned out in Jan.

[Darthblade]

I reckon this would be a fairly big list in most peoples minds. However i imagine the bulk of the outgoings will be in May.

I would think that most outgoings in Jan would be loans as not many teams will be wanting to commit to permanent signings until the end of the season also.

Im pretty sure NA already has his plans drawn up for Jan and may have even told certain players that they will be leaving?

Loans
Scougall - big disappointment after his first half a season. Not kicked on since. I would loan him to another l1 team to get regular first team action.

Mcnulty - doesnt seem to be in NA plans. Just seems to be hanging around the place. Loan him out or sell.

Flo - disastrous signing. Sell or pay him up.

Kennedy. Loan if fit in Jan or release end of season. If loaned out use his place in the squad to bring in a ball playing centre back. Sadly to injury prone. We cannot afford to have passengers and we must not be a charity for injured footballers.

Hammond. On current form send back to Leicester. Why do we bring in unfit or past it Champ/Prem players?

Woolford - dreadful and slow. Loan or sell in Jan. Hasnt worked out for him here.

Diego. Loan. Sell end of season if not improved.

Collins. Been here 5-6 years? Basically the sheffield united of the last 5-6 years in a nutshell. Failure. Sell in Jan if possible and replace with a young tall and strong no nonsense centre back.

Long - loan out and replace with a keeper that can genuinely challenge Howard for the shirt.

Any more for Jan?

I'm going to turn that around a bit ...... I would keep:

Brayford, Done, Adams, Reed and Edgar ( until end of season and reassess).

The rest can be sold / loaned out / culled as best we can and rebuild a squad that CAN deliver in this agricultural Division.

No sympathy now ...... they've all had MORE than enough opportunity to " step up to the plate " and perform .......
UTB & FTP

 

[Houston_Blade]

Exactly my thoughts re: Adkins.

If I were the owner, I'd let him go and get someone in capable of the rebuilding process. Because Adkins definitely isn't.

Who?

We've not managed to do it in the last 8 attempts so who next?

Is sacking the manager and diverting funds away from the first team what we need right now?

Would anyone with a better cv or reputation than Adkins touch us with a barge pole?

Adkins will be here for at least 2 years unless this board are seriously stupid.

 

[sitwell]

You must be this bloke?

No this is him

 

[chipsncake]

Who?

We've not managed to do it in the last 8 attempts so who next?

Is sacking the manager and diverting funds away from the first team what we need right now?

Would anyone with a better cv or reputation than Adkins touch us with a barge pole?

Adkins will be here for at least 2 years unless this board are seriously stupid.

Derek, I'm afraid cv's and reputations stand for nothing. It's a results business and every manager in the land knows this.
Adkins performance so far has been abysmal whichever way you choose to look at it. Team selections, substitutions and especialy recruitment have been poor and of late you would also have to question the manager's ability to motivate the players. Nice a chap that he is, I seriously cannot think of one positive Adkins has bought to the club.
We can only stick with a manager if it's working, to stand by someone who is clearly failing only makes matters worse. It will take a brave man to commit both time and money to our current manager based on his performance so far, but maybe an even braver one to sanction his removal. Either way, the board have got us in to this mess and it is they who sooner or later will have to get us out of it, one thing's for sure, something will have to give, as our current situation is acceptable to no-one.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Keep these...
John Brayford
Che Adams
Louis Reed
Billy Sharp

Job lot the rest on e-bay.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Derek, I'm afraid cv's and reputations stand for nothing. It's a results business and every manager in the land knows this.
Adkins performance so far has been abysmal whichever way you choose to look at it. Team selections, substitutions and especialy recruitment have been poor and of late you would also have to question the manager's ability to motivate the players. Nice a chap that he is, I seriously cannot think of one positive Adkins has bought to the club.
We can only stick with a manager if it's working, to stand by someone who is clearly failing only makes matters worse. It will take a brave man to commit both time and money to our current manager based on his performance so far, but maybe an even braver one to sanction his removal. Either way, the board have got us in to this mess and it is they who sooner or later will have to get us out of it, one thing's for sure, something will have to give, as our current situation is acceptable to no-one.

Same question then, who will replace him? Parkinson, Cooper, Evans, Powell, Mourinho or maybe Sir Alex fancies another bash in the lower leagues?!

I think the quicker people realise that he's the best calibre of manager we could get the better. We don't have a good track record of getting rid of underperforming managers and replacing them with world class ones.

Performances and results are exactly where I'd expect them to be with the players we have, average league 1. Just because we are averaging 19k plus fans each week doesn't change that. To pay Adkins and his staff off is another £1m + that would be better invested in players.

I'm far from a clapper and don't see things with blades tinted specs like a few who defend the indefensible on an hourly basis on here but a bit of realism in that we need to give a manager a few years to turn this sorry situation around is obvious, unless of course you know of a good manager within our budget who would want this job along with the unrealistic expectations that come with it?!

 

[chipsncake]

Same question then, who will replace him? Parkinson, Cooper, Evans, Powell, Mourinho or maybe Sir Alex fancies another bash in the lower leagues?!

I think the quicker people realise that he's the best calibre of manager we could get the better. We don't have a good track record of getting rid of underperforming managers and replacing them with world class ones.

Performances and results are exactly where I'd expect them to be with the players we have, average league 1. Just because we are averaging 19k plus fans each week doesn't change that. To pay Adkins and his staff off is another £1m + that would be better invested in players.

I'm far from a clapper and don't see things with blades tinted specs like a few who defend the indefensible on an hourly basis on here but a bit of realism in that we need to give a manager a few years to turn this sorry situation around is obvious, unless of course you know of a good manager within our budget who would want this job along with the unrealistic expectations that come with it?!

Realistically Adkins is going nowhere for the time being but if results and performances carry on like they have been doing for another month or so then the pressure will really be on.
As you say it would be a major problem (once again) finding the right replacement but a lot of other clubs don't seem to find it as troublesome as we do.
Irrespective, if the board have anything about them whatsoever they should be preparing themselves now for all eventualities.

 

[Bladesman]

I reckon this would be a fairly big list in most peoples minds. However i imagine the bulk of the outgoings will be in May.

I would think that most outgoings in Jan would be loans as not many teams will be wanting to commit to permanent signings until the end of the season also.

Im pretty sure NA already has his plans drawn up for Jan and may have even told certain players that they will be leaving?

Loans
Scougall - big disappointment after his first half a season. Not kicked on since. I would loan him to another l1 team to get regular first team action.

Mcnulty - doesnt seem to be in NA plans. Just seems to be hanging around the place. Loan him out or sell.

Flo - disastrous signing. Sell or pay him up.

Kennedy. Loan if fit in Jan or release end of season. If loaned out use his place in the squad to bring in a ball playing centre back. Sadly to injury prone. We cannot afford to have passengers and we must not be a charity for injured footballers.

Hammond. On current form send back to Leicester. Why do we bring in unfit or past it Champ/Prem players?

Woolford - dreadful and slow. Loan or sell in Jan. Hasnt worked out for him here.

Diego. Loan. Sell end of season if not improved.

Collins. Been here 5-6 years? Basically the sheffield united of the last 5-6 years in a nutshell. Failure. Sell in Jan if possible and replace with a young tall and strong no nonsense centre back.

Long - loan out and replace with a keeper that can genuinely challenge Howard for the shirt.

Any more for Jan?

I agree with all of that. I think Scoogs out of that is the most likely to regain form.

Diego still might have a chance as well but he does not seem to be doing anything to impress Adkins.

The rest can go come the end of the season.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Realistically Adkins is going nowhere for the time being but if results and performances carry on like they have been doing for another month or so then the pressure will really be on.
As you say it would be a major problem (once again) finding the right replacement but a lot of other clubs don't seem to find it as troublesome as we do.
Irrespective, if the board have anything about them whatsoever they should be preparing themselves now for all eventualities.

As much as I agree the pressure will be on I see no value at all in getting rid of him. If he wastes the Princes' millions in January and we're still poor then he'll be held accountable but at the moment I think he's taken 3 indifferent loan players mainly out of necessity in Sammon, Edgar and Hammond with little risk as we can send them back at the end of their respective deals (albeit they are absorbing wages that could go elsewhere in the meantime). Signed Sharp on a perm deal who's doing relatively well and Woolford on a perm who isn't doing so well.

Add to that the bloated and largely average squad inherited he's hardly a candidate for the chop. I'm personally not of the view that Brayford will come back and single-handedly get us to the promised land so he needs to be backed financially with permanent signings of 2 CB's, a GK and a CM made in Jan or we need to write the season off and he needs to be backed in the summer. Loan signings in Jan will do no good for the long term well-being of the club.

Asking for him to be sacked now as in Barny's post is just attention seeking nonsense.

 

[chipsncake]

As much as I agree the pressure will be on I see no value at all in getting rid of him. If he wastes the Princes' millions in January and we're still poor then he'll be held accountable but at the moment I think he's taken 3 indifferent loan players mainly out of necessity in Sammon, Edgar and Hammond with little risk as we can send them back at the end of their respective deals (albeit they are absorbing wages that could go elsewhere in the meantime). Signed Sharp on a perm deal who's doing relatively well and Woolford on a perm who isn't doing so well.

Add to that the bloated and largely average squad inherited he's hardly a candidate for the chop. I'm personally not of the view that Brayford will come back and single-handedly get us to the promised land so he needs to be backed financially with permanent signings of 2 CB's, a GK and a CM made in Jan or we need to write the season off and he needs to be backed in the summer. Loan signings in Jan will do no good for the long term well-being of the club.

Asking for him to be sacked now as in Barny's post is just attention seeking nonsense.

Not attention seeking nonsense at all, it's just a different opinion to yours why can't you accept that?
As for the signings you can dress them up any way you want but they have been poor and 5 incomings at this level should be enough to make the difference. But it's not just that, Adkins has been here long enough now to at least be showing signs that he has what it takes but I just don't see it and wouldn't trust him with another penny.
Convince me Adkins is the right man by listing the positives he has brought to the club and maybe I'll start to believe.

 

[zablade]

What absolute raving lunatics are going to take some of these players off our hands?

Most of them would make a lower League 2 side slightly weaker if they signed them?

 

[Houston_Blade]

Not attention seeking nonsense at all, it's just a different opinion to yours why can't you accept that?
As for the signings you can dress them up any way you want but they have been poor and 5 incomings at this level should be enough to make the difference. But it's not just that, Adkins has been here long enough now to at least be showing signs that he has what it takes but I just don't see it and wouldn't trust him with another penny.
Convince me Adkins is the right man by listing the positives he has brought to the club and maybe I'll start to believe.

I'm not saying he is and results don't say that he is either, it remains to be seen if he can be or not.

My point is that sacking another manager is idiocy and that the money is better spent invested in the squad. Unless you know of someone better than Adkins why sack him?

 

[chipsncake]

I'm not saying he is and results don't say that he is either, it remains to be seen if he can be or not.

My point is that sacking another manager is idiocy and that the money is better spent invested in the squad. Unless you know of someone better than Adkins why sack him?

But how can sacking someone who is not up to the job be idiocy? Do we hang on to him just for the sake of it? I don't see the sense in that. If he 's not up to the job he should be out irrespective of whether or not we have a replacement lined up. As I've said other clubs don't seem to have the same on going problems as us finding a new man, you only have to look at Huddersfield who have obviously done their homework and had a replacement for Powell lined up before he was shown the door. Many clubs do get it wrong but not as consistently as us,

 

[mosbolad]

But how can sacking someone who is not up to the job be idiocy? Do we hang on to him just for the sake of it? I don't see the sense in that

Let's sack NA now whilst we still have chance ChipnCake. That would make perfect sense?

I mean we didn't get where we are today by not sacking managers!

 

[Kev Gee]

But how can sacking someone who is not up to the job be idiocy? Do we hang on to him just for the sake of it? I don't see the sense in that. If he 's not up to the job he should be out irrespective of whether or not we have a replacement lined up. As I've said other clubs don't seem to have the same on going problems as us finding a new man, you only have to look at Huddersfield who have obviously done their homework and had a replacement for Powell lined up before he was shown the door. Many clubs do get it wrong but not as consistently as us,

If you think that ANY football manager of worth would entertain us after sacking NA you need your head testing mate.
He is the BEST hope we have of getting of this league. Let him get rid of NCs mistakes first.

He deserves at least a season.

Look at the shit he has inherited.

I dont care if we finish mid table now as long as we have a plan.

 

[Tezza1889]

The following need to disappear...
Mark Howard
James Wallace
Ryan Flynn
Paul Coutts
Neil Collins
Stefan Scougall
Martyn Woolford
Jay McEveley
Craig Alcock
Michael Higdon
Diego de Girolamo
Florent Cuvelier
Callum McFadzean
David Edgar

That's about bang on, all that lot are either a waste of wages or just plain shit..

Flynn has been hit n miss, might just give a second chance to him..rest 100% fuck em off..

 

[Tezza1889]

I'm just unable to reason why others can't see a problem with him. He's gotten away with a recruitment approach bordering on criminal, without even a whisper from the very vast majority. In fact, they'll dive in head first in a flustered heap the instant you question his decisions.

Your continued campaign against Adkins is wearing a little thin dude, facts are he knows how to get teams promoted, we universally agree that he's been saddled with a load of sad unambitious plodders running out the clocks on thier carreers, or younger lads who seem happy to trade a future of glory for a belly full of lager up Eccy road...

We need another season, cause we're nowhere near good enough for the championship, it's the players, they're on the pitch, changing managers has done exactly what for us? Robson/weir excluded...

 

[Liaminho9]

Can we ship out half the so-called fans that will slag the board, manager, players and just generally the club off at any given opportunity? Maybe we could bring in some more fans that will actually get behind the team?

 

[chipsncake]

Can we ship out half the so-called fans that will slag the board, manager, players and just generally the club off at any given opportunity? Maybe we could bring in some more fans that will actually get behind the team?

We are "so called" fans because we rightly criticise the club and what it is doing. Dear oh dear. If you want to contribute anything constructive then start by answering my previously asked question about the positives Adkins has brought to our club.

 

[chipsncake]

If you think that ANY football manager of worth would entertain us after sacking NA you need your head testing mate.
He is the BEST hope we have of getting of this league. Let him get rid of NCs mistakes first.

He deserves at least a season.

Look at the shit he has inherited.

I dont care if we finish mid table now as long as we have a plan.

Look at the shit he's brought in and tell me what the plan is.

 

[Darthblade]

If you think that ANY football manager of worth would entertain us after sacking NA you need your head testing mate.
He is the BEST hope we have of getting of this league. Let him get rid of NCs mistakes first.

He deserves at least a season.

Look at the shit he has inherited.

I dont care if we finish mid table now as long as we have a plan.

I think we probably will finish mid table or just outside the play-off places but its not just about having a plan; its about having the bollocks, the commitment from the Board and Management and the resources to clear out the dead wood and build a squad that is capable of getting out of this agricultural division.

Make no mistake, that's a bloody big job with the crap we're carrying, which is why its not going to get put right in the JTW.

UTB & FTP

 

[Darthblade]

Can we ship out half the so-called fans that will slag the board, manager, players and just generally the club off at any given opportunity? Maybe we could bring in some more fans that will actually get behind the team?

Hey mate ..... I've been supporting SUFC for 50 years, through good times and shit times, with great, good, bad, appalling and indifferent players, with great, average, poor and incompetent Managers, with poor Boards, indescribably bad Boards, incompetent Boards and Boards who believe they're much better than they are.

And as a result of this penance that I've paid; I believe I'm entitled to be very unhappy when we trap ourselves in this agricultural Division, largely as a result of our own actions and inability to address our glaring deficiencies over an extended period of time. All this despite the supporters continuing to turn up in numbers that 80 odd other professional football Clubs would be delighted with !!

This Clubs Board, management & players should currently hang their heads in shame ........

UTB & FTP

 

[Houston_Blade]

But how can sacking someone who is not up to the job be idiocy? Do we hang on to him just for the sake of it? I don't see the sense in that. If he 's not up to the job he should be out irrespective of whether or not we have a replacement lined up. As I've said other clubs don't seem to have the same on going problems as us finding a new man, you only have to look at Huddersfield who have obviously done their homework and had a replacement for Powell lined up before he was shown the door. Many clubs do get it wrong but not as consistently as us,

I still don't think my original question was answered though. Who can we bring in that will do any better? It should be becoming apparent now after our umpteenth manager in not many years that the managers might not be at fault. Apart from Clough dragging us from relegation to 7th in 3/4 of a season name me another manager who has managed to have a quantifiable positive influence on our fortunes since Warnock left?

Why would it be any different this time? It's not about accepting someone doing a bad job it's about allowing someone enough time to do a job right or wrong, an alien concept to our board at the moment.

 

[jt64]

I think we probably will finish mid table or just outside the play-off places but its not just about having a plan; its about having the bollocks, the commitment from the Board and Management and the resources to clear out the dead wood

Clearing out the deadwood is easy enough, just wait for people's contracts to expire and don't renew them. Have a look at the sticky thread - I'm guessing some parts are a bit out of date, but there's not many players that are signed through 2017 or further who we'd actively want to get rid of outside of a couple of midfielders who are always injured so we can't easily shift in the first place.

 

[chipsncake]

I still don't think my original question was answered though. Who can we bring in that will do any better? It should be becoming apparent now after our umpteenth manager in not many years that the managers might not be at fault. Apart from Clough dragging us from relegation to 7th in 3/4 of a season name me another manager who has managed to have a quantifiable positive influence on our fortunes since Warnock left?

Why would it be any different this time? It's not about accepting someone doing a bad job it's about allowing someone enough time to do a job right or wrong, an alien concept to our board at the moment.

Doesn't work like that Derek, there is never "enough time" when you're losing games and the crowd turns against you. We're not there quite there yet but it won't be long if things carry on as they are. As for bringing in someone better it's not my job but other clubs are able to do it why not us. It didn't take Chansiri long to work out a formulae and he admits he doesn't know the first thing about the game.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Doesn't work like that Derek, there is never "enough time" when you're losing games and the crowd turns against you. We're not there quite there yet but it won't be long if things carry on as they are. As for bringing in someone better it's not my job but other clubs are able to do it why not us. It didn't take Chansiri long to work out a formulae and he admits he doesn't know the first thing about the game.

I'll agree to disagree but the managers post-Warnock with the notable exceptions of Robson and Weir have not been the problem, the way the club is run has. We're no further on for sacking them than we were with them here.

 

[Matthew Slingsby]

Freeman, McEveley and Collins have to go.

Are u off your head freeman has been our most consistent player this season. Bombs forward all the time and can defend yes he gets caught out now and again but so does brayford. Seriously does freeman have to grow a bush beard for people to like him

 

[Matthew Slingsby]

Ryce sell. Flynn sell release or loan
Too slow or maybe consider a position change to centre midfield. Luke freeman managed it at Bristol City

 

[Matthew Slingsby]

TE="Blade56, post: 865675, member: 13199"]Sharp, Adams and Brayford.

Think of the money that 'could' be available[/QUOTE]
Just like the money for. The two kyles, lowton, quinn, blackman, mccdonald, Maguire abd Murphy. missing any? The point is mccabr gets 3 million abd gives adkins 500 thousand

 

[I should coco]

Just like the money for. The two kyles, lowton, quinn, blackman, mccdonald, Maguire abd Murphy. missing any? The point is mccabr gets 3 million abd gives adkins 500 thousand

Yes and that £2.5m will go towards the annual losses over the same period which probably amount to about £20m.

Why don't people actually look at the accounts (public record at Companies House) and see what we've blown since 2007? Anyone who seriously thinks that KM is happy to stay in this crappy league spunking millions every season, needs their bumps feeling.

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