total lack of effort

[spongebobblade]

Didnt go but from seems we didnt play well from tweets & posts on here of them in person, but that jekyell & hyde home & away form just seems to be norm for us at the moment because pre Oldham it was 11 goals in last 3 at home but only 3 in 3 away. Which I dont understand how a team just change from lane to away grounds

But from the entire game I heard on RS I thought we werent as bad as was made out because we shouldve won as was 2pts dropped when we missed those 3 sitters in the second half & then we wouldve been joint 5th pts. 4 pts off top & 2 off auto

Should have done this and should have done that. Not having a go mate but that's the story of the last 5 years for us. It's time we actually started doing

 

[Eskimo]

To sum it up we ain't got a midfield .

No I think Baxter with a strong ball winner/ organiser would be OK, but not Scougall

 

[spongebobblade]

No I think Baxter with a strong ball winner/ organiser would be OK, but not Scougall

Agree. You mean Baxter and someone like.... erm...... Say Dean Hammond??!!!

 

[him behind you]

Scougall's played shocking for about a year now, no idea how he still gets a shirt. Far worse than Coutts and he gets some right hammer, same with Baxter.

Didn't go today but when I saw they went down to 10 men I thought it was 3 points in the bag. Then he takes off Done! Our only positive player over the past few weeks

We will finish top 6, but without additions to to both CB and CM we won't finish top 2

Done was fucked and had been offering sod all for a while. The again, none of the rest of the midfield or Adams were offering anything either but they didn't look fooked.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Can't agree, WHF. After 53 years I've certainly put the hard miles in for this club but yesterday - for the first time - I was totally indifferent to the events in another scuzzy northern town. A bit like the players, really.

The bit about a scuzzy northern town is hard to disagree with, especially as we got there at 12:30.

First half was poor, as it so often is.

Second half we created sitters, great chances, good chances, and half chances, none of which would have happened if the players weren't trying.

What we didn't do was finish them off. Again.

 

[sheffielder]

Our football is predictable and our manager's post match interview is predictable.

I said against Colchester he should have dragged someone off after 30 minutes to make a statement. Doesn't matter who our manager is, for some reason the players are ruling the roost.

It doesn't matter how many times people say get a CB, you're just fucking wrong. We have enough with Basham, McGahey, Edgar and Collins if you like that type of thing. The problem is the midfield. It offers no protection, it's fucking lazy and allows people to run through it, work 1-2's to get crosses in outwide. It's devoid of any energy whatsoever, so Baxter isn't helping that out. Scougall was ok when he had Doyle and Coady behind him, and hasn't had a good game since. Forwards such as Done, ADams and Sharp can only perform if there is a platform in midfield to work from.

Then according to some on here things aren't bad because we are only 5 points off automatic because the league is bad. So does that tell you how bad we are, and doesn't matter what Adkins says, nothing is done to correct this midfield to sort out most if not all of our ills.

You can't buy a house you want these days without paying over the odds, same applies to a midfielder.. so go out get Hammond or I am going to smash the lot up. Ran and managed by fucking idiots.

 

[SB_90]

Should have done this and should have done that. Not having a go mate but that's the story of the last 5 years for us. It's time we actually started doing

Got a point because of the defensive problem we all knew we needed 2/3 defenders towards end of last season & in 6 mths we got 1. But luck plays apart if we got 1 of those 3 in then we be in better position

But I would disagree with worst utd side for 45 years because for me in my time (98 onwards) wouldnt be in top 3 as David weirs 2013, Adrian heaths 1999 & that 4 manager relegation season 2010 will take some beating

 

[sheffielder]

The bit about a scuzzy northern town is hard to disagree with, especially as we got there at 12:30.

First half was poor, as it so often is.

Second half we created sitters, great chances, good chances, and half chances, none of which would have happened if the players weren't trying.

What we didn't do was finish them off. Again.

I think it's safe to say who just have the one type off glasses.

 

[him behind you]

To sum it up we ain't got a midfield .

I've said it once and I'll say it again. The back 4 this season are getting next to no support from a midfield who seem devoid of effort or a willingness to do the horrible jobs Doyle did last season. Our midfield yesterday once again went AWOL and with Done and Adams basically going with them, it's a good job the defence were actually doing their bit.

 

[Jonboy60]

I was surprised by the reaction of the fans at the end I must admit and think it is down to a growing feeling amongst the support that players aren't giving their all every game. It's definitely getting more noticeable this season. Previously that game would have caused a lot of grumbles, but not the chanting that it did. During the game the support was great, better than previous matches recently and even after they scored from any unmarked header chants of support started.

I think the fans have now had more than enough of league one and expect the players to be giving their all to get promoted, and rightly or wrongly, maybe a few players are starting to be perceived as not.
Maybe the style of play, lack of pace and players lack of ability isn't helping in this belief, but we have seen too often this season already teams and players being seemingly more commited and outfighting us, with weak or nonexistent challenges from us leading to far too many goals against us.

Probably because most of them know come May, automatic, play offs or just mid table mediocrity, they are out the door.

 

[grafikhaus]

First half was poor, as it so often is.

Second half we created sitters, great chances, good chances, and half chances, none of which would have happened if the players weren't trying.

What we didn't do was finish them off. Again.

Just watched Villa on MoTD. There's no doubt their players were 'trying'. But not nearly enough to get a result.

Our football is predictable and our manager's post match interview is predictable.

I said against Colchester he should have dragged someone off after 30 minutes to make a statement. Doesn't matter who our manager is, for some reason the players are ruling the roost.

It doesn't matter how many times people say get a CB, you're just fucking wrong. We have enough with Basham, McGahey, Edgar and Collins if you like that type of thing. The problem is the midfield. It offers no protection, it's fucking lazy and allows people to run through it, work 1-2's to get crosses in outwide. It's devoid of any energy whatsoever, so Baxter isn't helping that out. Scougall was ok when he had Doyle and Coady behind him, and hasn't had a good game since. Forwards such as Done, ADams and Sharp can only perform if there is a platform in midfield to work from.

Then according to some on here things aren't bad because we are only 5 points off automatic because the league is bad. So does that tell you how bad we are, and doesn't matter what Adkins says, nothing is done to correct this midfield to sort out most if not all of our ills.

You can't buy a house you want these days without paying over the odds, same applies to a midfielder.. so go out get Hammond or I am going to smash the lot up. Ran and managed by fucking idiots.

In a nutshell. The excuses are fast running out. Only Done and Sharp are fit to pick up their pay checks at the moment - and which one(s) will be sold in January? People are longing for Brayford's return as if it's the Second Coming. Can I remind folk that his second spell with us was a pale shadow of his loan spell? He got his injury because it was a limp, half-hearted challenge. And that rather sums up United for the past few years. Too many players - and the manager - are simply going through the motions.

Does anybody seriously think signing Hammond will alter the all-pervading atmosphere of gloom that's surrounding BDTBL? No, he'll go the same way as Edgar - good at first but soon sinks back into the torpor that affects the club from top to bottom. I can excuse the players for not having skill - after all that's why they're playing in the Third Division. But lack of effort? No way. That begins and ends at NA's door.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The bit about a scuzzy northern town is hard to disagree with, especially as we got there at 12:30.

First half was poor, as it so often is.

Second half we created sitters, great chances, good chances, and half chances, none of which would have happened if the players weren't trying.

What we didn't do was finish them off. Again.

The problem we have got.

First half was poor , as it so often is - Football 90 minutes .

What we didnt do was finish them off . Again

A bit of a reoccurring theme week in week out , which we do not seem to overcome. The is no excuse that Adkins to date has not resolved this.

The fans who booed are fans / supporters . They didnt get free tickets / travel for the match . The issue is the team are creating apathy and disillusionment even with the older end hard core supporter like myself , which is not a good thing short or long term.

Adkins is a good positive manager , but you can only take so much , when we all know what is required to remedy the cause , but nothing is being done about it . OK , wait until JTW , but at the moment we are losing a missed opportunity to pick up additional points , we really should not be dropping in the first place.

Being nearly men or second best , will not wash . We have to get a ruthless professional streak , that is sadly lacking within all levels of the club.

The backlash at Oldham has been bubbling under the surface for a while . Lets see how we ALL deal with the next game. ( Manager , players , fans )

UTB

 

[Dec]

If Done, Sharp and Scougall had put away their easy chances then we would have won 4-1 and everyone would be ecstatic with a great away win.

I'm as disappointed as anyone that the above didn't materialise but let's not overreact - we did create some very clear cut chances yesterday.

 

[Blade59]

Some were surprised at the reaction of the fans. I am not. I was frustrated and angry just checking the score on my phone all afternoon so I can understand the frustration of the people who have given up their Saturday and their hard earned money to go and see us fail to beat yet another bang average / poor team. It is results like yesterday which will see us in this crap league next season and for many seasons after. I sense it is frustration more than anything else because deep down we know how it is going to pan out. The main reason we are not winning games like yesterday is because we don't have a dominating player in central midfield either as part of a 2 or 3. Because of this we never control games.. Ah but we will address this in January and as long as we stay in touch with the top 2 we will kick on after Christmas. What in reality will happen is we will get to 1st January and nothing will happen. Then it is the FA cup so no point doing anything until after that. Other teams are then waiting to bring someone in before making a decision on players we want so we get to the end of the window and still nothing happens. We then wait for the loan window to open but have to then wait for players to be eligible for the play offs so wait a bit longer. The loan window drifts along before we get in a couple of players no better than we already have at the death by which time we are 12 - 15 points of the top 2 leaving play offs as the only realistic target. You know the rest.

The league is wide open this season and is waiting for someone to grab it by the scruff of the neck. The 2 teams who should be able to do that are us and Wigan. I sense that Wigan are starting to get their act together and wouldn't be surprised to go on a run and start to pull away. We on the other hand will continue to drift along between 5th and 8th place missing the great opportunity that this season provides. I just get the sense as a club we want and hope it to happen rather than going out and making it happen.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

The problem we have got.

First half was poor , as it so often is - Football 90 minutes .

What we didnt do was finish them off . Again

A bit of a reoccurring theme week in week out , which we do not seem to overcome. The is no excuse that Adkins to date has not resolved this.

The fans who booed are fans / supporters . They didnt get free tickets / travel for the match . The issue is the team are creating apathy and disillusionment even with the older end hard core supporter like myself , which is not a good thing short or long term.

Adkins is a good positive manager , but you can only take so much , when we all know what is required to remedy the cause , but nothing is being done about it . OK , wait until JTW , but at the moment we are losing a missed opportunity to pick up additional points , we really should not be dropping in the first place.

Being nearly men or second best , will not wash . We have to get a ruthless professional streak , that is sadly lacking within all levels of the club.

The backlash at Oldham has been bubbling under the surface for a while . Lets see how we ALL deal with the next game. ( Manager , players , fans )

UTB

Yes, but OP was about lack of effort.

There are issues but, for me, that isn't one of them.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I went, I don't know why. Poor side, awful tactics, going nowhere.

Its not total lack of effort , the players are giving there all . BUT because of the 3no true points you have made , it then does appear as a total lack of effort.

Quality , proffesionalism and a ruthless mentality to win is missing in the mindset of the players , which Adkins cannot resolve .

UTB

 

[Kenilworth]

If Done, Sharp and Scougall had put away their easy chances then we would have won 4-1 and everyone would be ecstatic with a great away win.

I'm as disappointed as anyone that the above didn't materialise but let's not overreact - we did create some very clear cut chances yesterday.

They didn't, so imagine our surprise at the resultant mood and general demeanour of the majority on the forum?

 

[vorpal blade]

Its not total lack of effort , the players are giving there all . BUT because of the 3no true points you have made , it then does appear as a total lack of effort.

Quality , proffesionalism and a ruthless mentality to win is missing in the mindset of the players , which Adkins cannot resolve .

UTB

isn't this then, lack of mental effort

application and resolve?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Lack of finishing. Not lack of effort.

 

[vorpal blade]

and I don't know about Adkins himself but you can set about getting a load of slovenly individuals to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make themselves into a winning team - do we have a club psychologist? isn't Morgan an amateur shrink?

 

[vorpal blade]

Lack of finishing. Not lack of effort.

yes but concentration seems to be lacking, that IS a matter of mental effort and that's why the ball wasn't stuck in the back of the net.

Concentration is also related to physical fitness and tiredness, I think some of our players look a bit overweight.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Lack of finishing. Not lack of effort.

Lack of finnishing is lack of mental effort / concentration .

Alot to me is confidence and we aint got it in abundance . We do not play with a swagger.

The frustration is that the dynamics can be easily remidied by the acquisition of a couple of quality players . Why this is not being carried out , only Adkins and the board know .

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

and I don't know about Adkins himself but you can set about getting a load of slovenly individuals to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make themselves into a winning team - do we have a club psychologist? isn't Morgan an amateur shrink?

Back in the day you probably could, sometimes. I can't think of many examples in modern football of a manager transforming a pile of wank into a good team.
I can think of a few that have taken over badly managed but decent sides and turned them around, like Blackwell did with us or Redknapp at Spurs but I'm struggling to think of a manager that has vastly improved a team through coaching alone.

 

[vorpal blade]

The evidence of how much of the malaise is in the mind was shown in the way (largely) the same squad of players performed in the FA and League cups over the past 2 seasons.

Understandably they were much more motivated in front of big (motivated) crowds and against better players.*



*The only reason that they are better players being that they are more consistently self - motivated.


Its cruel inducement to try harder but buying good players as competition for existing players can motivate them.
That said I think there is something stupid about assembling a huge squad. What is the point of having 2 players in a squad if you can buy 1 player for twice as much on double their wages?

He will be a better player (possibly twice as good) & you have only spent the same amount of cash as on two mediocrities.

You can only have 11 men on the pitch at one time.

 

[sothall blade]

and I don't know about Adkins himself but you can set about getting a load of slovenly individuals to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make themselves into a winning team - do we have a club psychologist? isn't Morgan an

and I don't know about Adkins himself but you can set about getting a load of slovenly individuals to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and make themselves into a winning team - do we have a club psychologist? isn't Morgan an amateur shrink?

you mean something like this sort psycho therapy ?

 

[vorpal blade]

yes Sothall - that kind of thing

 

[sothall blade]

yes Sothall - that kind of thing

said it before pal, there is no mean streak in the team,someone to crack fuckin heads on either team

 

[Fiery Blade]

Didn't go to Oldham yesterday, but, speaking to people that did it seemed to be same owd, same owd !
I for one am getting really sick to the back teeth with Mr Adkins coming out with the same comments - It is you and your team of coaches' job to get it right !
This is a very poor league and whilst we are not a team of world beaters I am certain that we have enough 'quality' and I use that word very very carefully (you don't have to be a very good player to be the best in this division !!!) to get promotion !
But, and it's a very big BUT, the players have to have the Desire, Passion, Heart, Effort, Fight and Balls to win games but at the moment they do not - They are a set of overpaid, over-hyped whimps of the first degree who appear not to care less if they win, lose or draw !
Mr Adkins came here with a good record in this division - to date he and his team of coaches have not demonstrated any of the qualities attributed to them at previous clubs Scunny and Southampton - Start earning your money Mr Adkins and get some FIGHT into the team or else I fear you will become another statistic in the Sacked Managers Portfolio ! Just ask Mark Cooper !!!

 

[Lane Ender]

Didn't go to Oldham yesterday, but, speaking to people that did it seemed to be same owd, same owd !
I for one am getting really sick to the back teeth with Mr Adkins coming out with the same comments - It is you and your team of coaches' job to get it right !
This is a very poor league and whilst we are not a team of world beaters I am certain that we have enough 'quality' and I use that word very very carefully (you don't have to be a very good player to be the best in this division !!!) to get promotion !
But, and it's a very big BUT, the players have to have the Desire, Passion, Heart, Effort, Fight and Balls to win games but at the moment they do not - They are a set of overpaid, over-hyped whimps of the first degree who appear not to care less if they win, lose or draw !
Mr Adkins came here with a good record in this division - to date he and his team of coaches have not demonstrated any of the qualities attributed to them at previous clubs Scunny and Southampton - Start earning your money Mr Adkins and get some FIGHT into the team or else I fear you will become another statistic in the Sacked Managers Portfolio ! Just ask Mark Cooper !!!

Nailed it
We aren't matching the teams in this league for passion or desire.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Fairy Nuff. I wasn't saying all these were gilt-edged - but any one of them could have been a goal. The least likely was probably Baxter's left foot effort.

Baxter's right foot shot was a very good chance - he was basically free 20-odd yards out. This is not a dig at him bc he's played well recently. Even though sometimes we wasted time at the back - and that was frustrating we created plenty second half.

What we didn't do was finish.

That was the problem. Not effort. Or Scoogs - who set up the first. Or the Board. Or Collins. Or McEveley.

There is a lot of discussion on here about missed chances but deal with the corner and it's 0-1 and everyone thinks differently.