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[William Henry Foulkes]

Basham was captain second half

Thanks. He would have been my choice. Did he have the armband and I missed it?

 

[Silent Blade]

Thanks. He would have been my choice. Did he have the armband and I missed it?

Yup

 

[finlaytheblade]

Reposting this as it was a genuine request. Once Reed and Baxter were on the pitch I could not compute.

• Exactly how were we set up after the substitutions? Which players were where? (I was at the game but couldn't keep track of where everyone had moved to as, contrary to some posts on here, they did keep moving around.)
• Who was captain? I didn't see anyone with the armband second half.
• Can someone give me an Idiot's Guide to 4-3-3 (or 1-4-3-3 as Adventurous Adkins may prefer to style it). Please.

All this talk about systems is a load of tosh the team that works hardest added to quality =success simple or is it!!

 

[MBoreman]

If we stick 4-4-2 I'd put Che down the left, Flynn right, then Bash and Baxter. If 4-3-3, which I prefer, I'd bring Reed in for Flynn. I'm a big Flynn fan but can't leave Sammon out at the minute.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Woolford to play as much less as McEv, if you ask me.

Still think JCR could play a role going forward in a 433 though, especially because he's got goals in him.

Not if you stubbornly refuse to let him down the line. He just won't come inside onto his left.

 

[Bladesman]

4-3-3 seems to work today against Bradford but I am not sure it's the right formation for us against other opposition.

 

[Bergen Blade]

• Exactly how were we set up after the substitutions? Which players were where? (I was at the game but couldn't keep track of where everyone had moved to as, contrary to some posts on here, they did keep moving around.)

Centre halves are outside the photo, yellow line shows full backs responsible for providing width.

Red line shows Baxter holding and Reed and Basham pushing forward in box to box roles

White line shows the three forwards with Sharp in the middle. Sammon and McNulty didn't play as wingers, more inside forwards, trying to get into the box and have efforts on goal.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Have a like my friend! Haha well spotted

I spotted it but thought he was doing an Adkins and including the keeper in the formation, the suggestion being that we play "Goalie rush"

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Not sure it's the role for McNulty. With Adams or Done available, I think it could be a good system for us. We could alternatively play JCR and Flynn wide in a 442 with the ability to move Flynn inside and JCR forward to look more like this formation for periods of a game. Flexibility is important after all.

 

[Dec]

Can't wait for:

----------------Sharp----------------
--Adams-------------------Done--
------Hammond---Wallace-------
---------------Baxter----------------
-Harris--Burn--Edgar--Brayford-
--------------Howard-----------------

Dreaming, perhaps.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

View attachment 13454

Centre halves are outside the photo, yellow line shows full backs responsible for providing width.

Red line shows Baxter holding and Reed and Basham pushing forward in box to box roles

White line shows the three forwards with Sharp in the middle. Sammon and McNulty didn't play as wingers, more inside forwards, trying to get into the box and have efforts on goal.

Suggests why Reedy & (especially) Basham were so much more effective after Baxter's introduction, with it freeing them up & letting them get up & down, with some security & some degree of control behind them. Thought Sammon looked good in his leftwards role too.

 

[SB_90]

yeah i watching he game delayed because of my nieces birthday party, but i thought we did ok 1st half playing 442 but there was definite improvement 2nd half when we went 433 with mcnulty Sharp on wings & salmmon thru middle, were certainly the better team 2nd half probably should have taken all 3 pts. but a point was fair on balance

but defence needs shoring up but thats nothing we dont know

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

View attachment 13454

Centre halves are outside the photo, yellow line shows full backs responsible for providing width.

Red line shows Baxter holding and Reed and Basham pushing forward in box to box roles

White line shows the three forwards with Sharp in the middle. Sammon and McNulty didn't play as wingers, more inside forwards, trying to get into the box and have efforts on goal.

Thanks.

It seems - to me at least - that this is evidence of the work the team are doing in training: they seem clear in their roles, even in what is to us a first time for that system.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Can't wait for:

----------------Sharp----------------
--Adams-------------------Done--
------Hammond---Wallace-------
---------------Baxter----------------
-Harris--Burn--Edgar--Brayford-
--------------Howard-----------------

Dreaming, perhaps.

Basham in for Wallace and it might be more realistic and still a good looking side. Hammond and Burn don't seem to be out of the question but wouldn't be surprised if it ends up like Reid, O Grady or Phillips where we just get them for a few weeks and then sorely miss them.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Can't wait for:

----------------Sharp----------------
--Adams-------------------Done--
------Hammond---Wallace-------
---------------Baxter----------------
-Harris--Burn--Edgar--Brayford-
--------------Howard-----------------

Dreaming, perhaps.

Dec, could well be the way to go, but why include Burn? That boat has passed, hasn't it? For the moment we've no hope of signing Burn so why include him?

 

[Smirth]

4-3-3 seems the best option to me. Despite all the clamour by a large majority last season to play 2 strikers I was always against it. The game has moved on, even at this level and I'd say the majority of teams in the country now play 3 in central midfield.

4-4-2 is fine if you have the midfielders to play it but we simply don't and we are constantly losing the battle in the middle as we are toothless and short of numbers there.

I really hope Adkins changes system now and sticks with it. When all fit we have 3 fullbacks to choose from in Freeman, Brayford & Harris who are all very capable of providing the width from full back, and up front, when all fit, we have 3 in Sharp, Adams and Done which on paper is a terrific front 3 combining pace, power, guile, tenacity, movement, finishing, the lot.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think 442 is still a viable system for some games and Sharp and Sammon are a good pairing for this level. But, when teams play 3 in the middle and do it well, we do struggle to pick up their midfield runners (like Colchester). I think 442 is decent for dealing with teams that park the bus.

If we go 451/433, we need to make sure it does become 433 or even 424 at tiimes and not a rigid 451 as it was all too often under Clough. The 2 widemen and one of the central midfielders (the number 10 in this formation) need to get in and around the 1 up front for this system to be effective. The 1 up front needs to be a good one as well. Someone with Sharp's movement and goalscoring ability but with Sammon's strength and athelicism. They're not easy to come by at this level.

 

[super_pig]

Rep

• Can someone give me an Idiot's Guide to 4-3-3 (or 1-4-3-3 as Adventurous Adkins may prefer to style it). Please.

the idea is that the two forwards either side of the main striker can drop into midfield making a five in the midfield. basically it theoretically gives you more options as it is two formations in one if you like.. it requires a lot of discipline and a decent CF to play this style.. think didier drogba.. the problem is that because of the narrow midfield the fullbacks can be more exposed. also if you are really negative in this formation you and up with 451 all the time which isn't supposed to be how it works as someone mentioned earlier

edit. sorry dane .. didn't notice your update

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

the idea is that the two forwards either side of the main striker can drop into midfield making a five in the midfield. basically it theoretically gives you more options as it is two formations in one if you like.. it requires a lot of discipline and a decent CF to play this style.. think didier drogba.. the problem is that because of the narrow midfield the fullbacks can be more exposed. also if you are really negative in this formation you and up with 451 all the time which isn't supposed to be how it works as someone mentioned earlier

edit. sorry dane .. didn't notice your update

Thanks.

Makes sense. Especially the part about 4-3-3 regressing to 4-5-1 if you're not careful.and the full backs being exposed.

I think we're going to encounter a wide variety of challenges this season and maybe this is one of the things the honest hardworking professionals are working hard on in training.

So far we've been slow to start most games but have managed to adapt.

Credit to Adkins', and his team's, management and experience but also some credit has to go to the players.

Hopefully this will improve with time.and football will be a game of two halves and not the game of one half from 2-0 it is atm.

UTMB

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I think 442 is still a viable system for some games and Sharp and Sammon are a good pairing for this level. But, when teams play 3 in the middle and do it well, we do struggle to pick up their midfield runners (like Colchester). I think 442 is decent for dealing with teams that park the bus.

If we go 451/433, we need to make sure it does become 433 or even 424 at tiimes and not a rigid 451 as it was all too often under Clough. The 2 widemen and one of the central midfielders (the number 10 in this formation) need to get in and around the 1 up front for this system to be effective. The 1 up front needs to be a good one as well. Someone with Sharp's movement and goalscoring ability but with Sammon's strength and athelicism. They're not easy to come by at this level.

We definitely need a flexibility of approach. I think we're developing that.