Kennedy, Reed and Diego.

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Barring any disasters, I don't think that's likely.

7th in the league or failure to get to Wembley wouldn't make the gun appear from the drawer?

 

[RealMcCoy]

7th in the league or failure to get to Wembley wouldn't make the gun appear from the drawer?

Depends on the overall season and levels of performace during that season. Clough never inspired confidence in his second season. I don't see Adkins ever becoming like that......but it's very early days. I feel much more positive about Adkins now than I di about Clough at the same point in his first season.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Depends on the overall season and levels of performace during that season. Clough never inspired confidence in his second season. I don't see Adkins ever becoming like that......but it's very early days. I feel much more positive about Adkins now than I di about Clough at the same point in his first season.

Someone else posted this but Adkins seems to be a manager for today, for the now.
Clough seemed to be a long term project.

I was happy with the so called long term plan but you can't beat winning.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

There are so many games to tackle at this level that they are bound to get opportunities at some stage. At least, Reed is. For Tel, it will be fitness dependent. He’s already proven himself to be good enough to be in the team (probably better than Collins already- no disrespect to Collins there as he is OK). Just a case of being fit enough to play games.


The only one who might struggle for game time is DdG because we have Sharp, Sammon, Adams, McNulty, Higdon, Baxter, Done (when fit) etc who can all play up front. I would be inclined to send him out on loan (not a season long one mind- have him coming back around xmas time like DCL). If he goes on a run of form on loan, he might return higher up the pecking order. Surely it could only be a good thing for his development. Shrewsbury or Crewe would be good for him I think. Lower League 1 teams where the like to give youth a chance.

We still have a big squad but a lot of them are injured at present (Brayford, Tel, Harris, Alcock, Flynn, Coutts, Cuvelier, Done and now Collins & Scougall). Eventually, we’re gonna have to look at moving on some of our midfield and striking options (we could probably move on Scougall, Coutts, Cuvelier and Higdon without doing much damage to the squad). Carrying smaller numbers would move other youngsters closer to the first team squad too (Dimaio, Khan, Heh, DCL, Evans, Whiteman, Banton, Hamilton etc) whilst not being too reliant on them.

I don’t think we need to do rotate for the sake of giving them time though. We can let them try to prove themselves in the cups. If we get a couple of injuries in one position, a player might get a chance and then it’s up to them to keep their place. Promotion is the priority. If these kids are good enough, they will force their way in.

 

[Bladesway]

Maybe, just maybe Diego isn't good enough to play in the first team. Clough appeared to think that and thus far Adkins agrees.

 

[Revolution]

Maybe, just maybe Diego isn't good enough to play in the first team. Clough appeared to think that and thus far Adkins agrees.

Clough thought Adams wasn't good enough....

 

[Bladesway]

Clough thought Adams wasn't good enough....

No he didn't. Who signed him and who did he score for in a cup semi final? He may have thought it was too early to introduce him last season and he may have been right. Clough had failings yes, but lets stop making new ones up just to make our argument look better.

 

[Revolution]

No he didn't. Who signed him and who did he score for in a cup semi final? He may have thought it was too early to introduce him last season and he may have been right. Clough had failings yes, but lets stop making new ones up just to make our argument look better.

He brought him on against Spurs when he was desperate. He then gave him all of 2 starts before dropping him to the bench until the Orient game.

 

[Slim Man]

He brought him on against Spurs when he was desperate. He then gave him all of 2 starts before dropping him to the bench until the Orient game.

And he slagged him off. For scoring a goal.

 

[Bladesway]

And he slagged him off. For scoring a goal.

Ah, thought you would be along to support the campaign. Re-read the reports from the papers after he scored. You will find that quite rightly he was bollocked by his team mates as well because we still needed to get another one and they needed him to get back to the half way line. No one bollocked him when he scored the second. He also agreed that he got carried away and they were right to bollock him.

 

[Bladesway]

He brought him on against Spurs when he was desperate. He then gave him all of 2 starts before dropping him to the bench until the Orient game.

So he signed him, played him then rested him. Sounds like a right twat this Clough bloke.

 

[Slim Man]

Ah, thought you would be along to support the campaign. Re-read the reports from the papers after he scored. You will find that quite rightly he was bollocked by his team mates as well because we still needed to get another one and they needed him to get back to the half way line. No one bollocked him when he scored the second. He also agreed that he got carried away and they were right to bollock him.

Thought you might be here defending him

Che's really going to come out and say "No he shouldn't have bollocked me, I had every right to celebrate scoring against Spurs. I was playing in the Evo-Stik against Frickley Town 5 months ago, the dictatorial nobsack". He would've definitely never played another game then.

Are you really sad enough to be defending Clough when our new manager has brought all this optimism? 3 wins on the trot? Attacking football?
Your king is dead. Get over it.

 

[Revolution]

So he signed him, played him then rested him. Sounds like a right twat this Clough bloke.

Rested for 10 weeks? That's called being dropped.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Rested for 10 weeks? That's called being dropped.

Take me 10 weeks to get over a game.

 

[Bladesway]

Thought you might be here defending him.

Yep, that's the point of these places. Be a bit dull if we all nodded along and went "yeah your right". You might learn that Danny if you stick around a while.

 

[Slim Man]

Yep, that's the point of these places. Be a bit dull if we all nodded along and went "yeah your right". You might learn that Danny if you stick around a while.

As for the rest of the post, you seem to have ducked it

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'd be lying.

 

[Bladesway]

As for the rest of the post, you seem to have ducked it

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'd be lying.

I would think the answer so crashingly obvious you wouldn't need it spelling out but there you go.

 

[Slim Man]

I would think the answer so crashingly obvious you wouldn't need it spelling out but there you go.

Ah but of course...

 

[sheffielder]

He brought him on against Spurs when he was desperate. He then gave him all of 2 starts before dropping him to the bench until the Orient game.

Then brought him on against Swindon in the 2nd leg 20 minutes too late. Well he should have started.

 

[BushBlade]

7th in the league or failure to get to Wembley wouldn't make the gun appear from the drawer?

Probably not. I doubt the board would think there was any advantage in sacking the most accomplished manager in the lower leagues.

They were prepared to stick with Clough until something went off that we don't know about.

You can never say never in football but I think it's highly likely he'll be our manager next season.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

Of course he could get a better offer ..........

 

[blade too long]

The really exciting bit is Done and Brayford have yet to join the fray

The bloated squad is looking much better and less bloated without Murphy

 

[Barney]

Ah, thought you would be along to support the campaign. Re-read the reports from the papers after he scored. You will find that quite rightly he was bollocked by his team mates as well because we still needed to get another one and they needed him to get back to the half way line. No one bollocked him when he scored the second. He also agreed that he got carried away and they were right to bollock him.

If Clough wasn't happy he could have at least had a quiet word away from the cameras, but he chose for some strange reason to publicly humiliate him. Completely wrong from a professional manager that should know better. Why you're so quick to defend him for that i'll never know.

 

[Bladesway]

If Clough wasn't happy he could have at least had a quiet word away from the cameras, but he chose for some strange reason to publicly humiliate him. Completely wrong from a professional manager that should know better. Why you're so quick to defend him for that i'll never know.

Christ if that's what constitutes a public humiliation you ought to stop posting. God forbid the manager be a good pro and think about getting that second goal that gives us a chance of going through.

I have taken bigger dressing downs on a Sunday Morning and thought bugger all of it because that's part of the game.

Are these real live men we are talking about here or primary school kids?

Fact : Adams was signed, played and scored under Clough.

Diego : played and scored under Clough.

Reed : Made his debut I think and played under Clough.

Kennedy : Played under Clough.

They are all facts. This happened. It's not old wives tales or "he said she said".

I have rougher conversations at work than anything Clough may have had with Adams.

I just think people like you like to blow it all out of proportion to make your argument stick.

 

[Barney]

Christ if that's what constitutes a public humiliation you ought to stop posting. God forbid the manager be a good pro and think about getting that second goal that gives us a chance of going through.

I have taken bigger dressing downs on a Sunday Morning and thought bugger all of it because that's part of the game.

Are these real live men we are talking about here or primary school kids?

Fact : Adams was signed, played and scored under Clough.

Diego : played and scored under Clough.

Reed : Made his debut I think and played under Clough.

Kennedy : Played under Clough.

They are all facts. This happened. It's not old wives tales or "he said she said".

I have rougher conversations at work than anything Clough may have had with Adams.

I just think people like you like to blow it all out of proportion to make your argument stick.

So that is your justification?

Would you like to elaborate and state exactly what shouting and balling from the other end of the pitch is going to achieve when a guy has scored and is already at the corner flag. Is he going to just stop amongst all the crowd noise, differentiate Clough's voice from the side-lines and think "Oh, he's shouting me, better get back then..." Sounds rather silly, don't you think? So not only was that a needless and pointless action, he then goes in front of the camera and unnecessarily vents his frustrations to quite a substantial public audience. Then after doing all that, he's absolutely no better off than he would have been should he have had some decency and had a quiet word away from the press.

So go on then, I wouldn't mind you telling me how his actions could have had any other consequences aside from public negativity and humiliation of a young 18 year old...what could he have possibly achieved by carrying out such needless actions? I look forward to your answer.

 

[blade too long]

im sorry nut your maling a moiuntain out of a mole hill

players get bollocked week in week out
have you never watched any Warnock videos
he mercilessly berates players
it all part of the job

some players deserve it too

 

[Bladesway]

So that is your justification?

Would you like to elaborate and state exactly what shouting and balling from the other end of the pitch is going to achieve when a guy has scored and is already at the corner flag. Is he going to just stop amongst all the crowd noise, differentiate Clough's voice from the side-lines and think "Oh, he's shouting me, better get back then..." Sounds rather silly, don't you think? So not only was that a needless and pointless action, he then goes in front of the camera and unnecessarily vents his frustrations to quite a substantial public audience. Then after doing all that, he's absolutely no better off than he would have been should he have had some decency and had a quiet word away from the press.

So go on then, I wouldn't mind you telling me how his actions could have had any other consequences aside from public negativity and humiliation of a young 18 year old...what could he have possibly achieved by carrying out such needless actions? I look forward to your answer.

He got Adams back to the half way line quicker and got his focus back through the other players reminding him they still had a job to do.

I don't say he couldn't have done it better but what's the point in jumping about celebrating on the touchline when the professional approach is to get players focused on the game in hand. It worked because 5 minutes later he scored again.

I would argue that meant we were substantially better off. What is more the player in question agreed with his manager.

I just don't see why no matter what does wrong Clough is gI've dogs abuse. Be it players injured, the club not signing centre halves or the fact it rained this morning.

The bloke did a decent job and his win ratio was up there with the best we have had. True he did get things wrong and ultimately failed in getting us promoted but people like you seem to quickly forget that most of that team we sent out last couple of games was his. Adkins hasn't changed much that Clough started. I hear about massive unbalanced squads but Adkins really hasn't altered much.

People also quickly forget Clough got us out of one he'll of a deep shit hole that Weir and Co dropped us in yet he gets more rocks chucked at him than Weir ever did. Oh and 2 cup semi finals in 12 months has to be some sort of record for a club in division 3.

So as Alco put it the other day, stop spouting bollocks. You and your recently arrived colleagues need to cool your jets a little. You post a lot but you don't really seem to say much.

 

[Barney]

im sorry nut your maling a moiuntain out of a mole hill

players get bollocked week in week out
have you never watched any Warnock videos
he mercilessly berates players
it all part of the job

some players deserve it too

Can you imagine Adkins doing what Clough did?

No, that's because he's a very decent and respectable manager that goes about things in the correct manner, appreciating the fact that a personal and public hammering of one of your own players achieves nothing other than the plummet of said players confidence as well as general bad morale.

 

[blade too long]

Can you imagine Adkins doing what Clough did?
.

yes

if he thinks a player needs more stick than carrot
Id expect him to have the cahones to do it
players are all individuals , some respond to gentle persuasion
some only respond to a kick up the jacksie

Ive had some run ins when managing
you cant be "nice" all the time

 

[Barney]

He got Adams back to the half way line quicker and got his focus back through the other players reminding him they still had a job to do.

I don't say he couldn't have done it better but what's the point in jumping about celebrating on the touchline when the professional approach is to get players focused on the game in hand. It worked because 5 minutes later he scored again.

I would argue that meant we were substantially better off. What is more the player in question agreed with his manager.

I just don't see why no matter what does wrong Clough is gI've dogs abuse. Be it players injured, the club not signing centre halves or the fact it rained this morning.

The bloke did a decent job and his win ratio was up there with the best we have had. True he did get things wrong and ultimately failed in getting us promoted but people like you seem to quickly forget that most of that team we sent out last couple of games was his. Adkins hasn't changed much that Clough started. I hear about massive unbalanced squads but Adkins really hasn't altered much.

People also quickly forget Clough got us out of one he'll of a deep shit hole that Weir and Co dropped us in yet he gets more rocks chucked at him than Weir ever did. Oh and 2 cup semi finals in 12 months has to be some sort of record for a club in division 3.

So as Alco put it the other day, stop spouting bollocks. You and your recently arrived colleagues need to cool your jets a little. You post a lot but you don't really seem to say much.

As expected, you couldn't and still fail to justify his actions. You haven't answered my question of what shouting on the touch line achieved, because I was sat pretty close to where Clough was standing and even I struggled to make out what he was saying, and Che was at the other end of the pitch, and even when he finally could have got within listening distance, he was already at the halfway line ready to go again anyway, so I'm afraid your thinking that Clough had any change on what Che did is quite simply ridiculous.

Predictable answer full of lots of words and no actual challenge of my previous posts. I'm still waiting for a valid counter argument of Clough's actions, because so far it's been purely pie in the sky.