Out of nowhere John Hughes

[Silent Blade]

John "Yogi" Hughes. Didn't he score a hat trick against us at Palace in the 60's and all three goals were in Match of the Day "Goals of the month".

That was a bad day for us travelling Blades. My mate caused a fracas on the way out he was so pissed off; in those days all fans intermingled. I looked round and saw this big pile of thrashing bodies and my mate calmly slipped out of the side of the pile and calmly walked on.

Hughes must be older than me, nothing wrong with that!!!

Not the same one. He scored twice, not three. It was on 4th Dec 1971. I was there and I got Tony Mercer's autograph before the match after my dad persuaded me to do it. I had no idea who he was until my dad told me that he is famous in "The Black & White Mistrel Show" when I came back to him. See his goal in the link below (8.23). It was his second goal and Palace's 4th. The other scorers were Tony Taylor, Len Badger (o.g) and John McCormick. Bill Dearden got ours in the 5-1 defeat

 

[Billyblade]

Would you lick it off if I did?

I know I wouldn't





Advocaats horrible

 

[Jon Bon]

Not the same one. He scored twice, not three. It was on 4th Dec 1971. I was there and I got Tony Mercer's autograph before the match after my dad persuaded me to do it. I had no idea who he was until my dad told me that he is famous in "The Black & White Mistrel Show" when I came back to him. See his goal in the link below (8.23). It was his second goal and Palace's 4th. The other scorers were Tony Taylor, Len Badger (o.g) and John McCormick. Bill Dearden got ours in the 5-1 defeat

I remember that day well. I'd been to a Christmas fair with my mum and she'd bought me a Thunderbird 2. I was all chipper until I saw the result and watched MOTD later that night. Little did I know that a lifetime of such Blades related disappointment awaited me.

 

[Bladesman]

I am hearing it's Randy Orton out of nowhere.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

Please no

 

[bartman]

A lot of successful managers are like Alex Neil, they come out of nowhere with no promotion form but plenty of enthusiasm and a high workrate, and the team just clicks. Other times it doesn't work, as David Weir showed. Managers with plenty of promotions on their CV's don't always come good, as we saw with Wilson and Micky Adams.

Numerous well-known managers are available with decent records, but they are overlooked as they are older and didn't succeed at their most recent club. It seems like the trend today is to employ younger managers in their 30's and 40's, not those in their 50's and 60's. The managers of Man City and Arsenal are a couple of notable exceptions.

There are plenty of candidates that fit the bill, young and old, but no guarantee of success with any of them.

There is also no guarantee they want to manage us which I think some fans seem to forget

 

[Blade58]

There is also no guarantee they want to manage us which I think some fans seem to forget

true but hasn't Adkins been quoted as saying he's interested?

 

[Dkc]

He's a football manager and would rather be managing a football club than drawing the dole.

However, he would probably place plenty of clubs above ours in the "want to manage them" stakes

 

[Silent Blade]

I remember that day well. I'd been to a Christmas fair with my mum and she'd bought me a Thunderbird 2. I was all chipper until I saw the result and watched MOTD later that night. Little did I know that a lifetime of such Blades related disappointment awaited me.

It was a week after the 7-0 win against Ipswich!

 

[BushBlade]

Micky Adams was brought in to keep us up so his promotions were not relevant. Wilson hadn't had any success in league one before. These are maybe not the best examples to use.

I'd look at someone with a track record of winning multiple promotions out of this league with every club they've been here with. Step forward Nigel Adkins and Simon Grayson.

Adams had a fair record of keeping clubs up too though. From memory I think he kept Fulham up on the last day of the season and then took them up the next year and did a similar thing with Brighton. Just goes to show how hard it can be to get it right.
I thought Wilson had a poor cv though. There's only Barnsley and Hartlepool that could be considered a success. The rest was a litany of near misses and abject failures.

 

[Davie Blade]

There are plenty of candidates that fit the bill, young and old, but no guarantee of success with any of them.

It is such a weak market.

I wager £50 at 66/1 would send the odds tumbling down. Once one bookie lowers the odds, the others follow as the market moves.

HH

I think you'd be surprised at how massive the global betting industry is.

£50 would barely make a dent.
If you want to probe me wrong back Gary Megson.

 

[Blade58]

I think there appears to be an offer there HH for you to probe Davie

 

[Hartley Hare]

You didn't say who had to place the bet?

Now where did I put Kevin's phone number.......................

 

[bartman]

true but hasn't Adkins been quoted as saying he's interested?

Not seen that anywhere but again anyone could be interested it is signing a contract that is the biggest issue

 

[Bladesway]

He's a football manager and would rather be managing a football club than drawing the dole.

However, he would probably place plenty of clubs above ours in the "want to manage them" stakes

Interesting point. If you are "on the dole" as you and I understand it fair enough but in the case of Adkins he is still being paid by Reading, is (as I understand it) being jetted around to the US to watch and learn how they coach etc. Then there will be TV appearances that he will probably make throughout the season. So on the dole doesn't really do it justice.

Then there is the "do I want to manage them?" which if I were a manager aspiring to have any career I would think bloody hard about before I chose to even take an interview with us. We are a basket case club who fire a manager on average every season. None of those managers have gone on to better things. You can put that down to poor managers in the first place, or you can put it down to us poisoning managers futures (if you want to view it that way).

I think now is the best time for us to be looking for a manager (for a change) but with our track record and our history, I would be less than shocked if what we end up with is as bad as what we had. To quantify that, if we end up with Robinson, Adkins, Warburton (with Weir as No 2 by the way) then we will have upgraded potentially. If we end up with Parkinson or any of the lesser lights we will have taken another punt into the dark.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Interesting point. If you are "on the dole" as you and I understand it fair enough but in the case of Adkins he is still being paid by Reading, is (as I understand it) being jetted around to the US to watch and learn how they coach etc. Then there will be TV appearances that he will probably make throughout the season. So on the dole doesn't really do it justice.

Then there is the "do I want to manage them?" which if I were a manager aspiring to have any career I would think bloody hard about before I chose to even take an interview with us. We are a basket case club who fire a manager on average every season. None of those managers have gone on to better things. You can put that down to poor managers in the first place, or you can put it down to us poisoning managers futures (if you want to view it that way).

I think now is the best time for us to be looking for a manager (for a change) but with our track record and our history, I would be less than shocked if what we end up with is as bad as what we had. To quantify that, if we end up with Robinson, Adkins, Warburton (with Weir as No 2 by the way) then we will have upgraded potentially. If we end up with Parkinson or any of the lesser lights we will have taken another punt into the dark.

I actually think Parkinson is way underrated on here but that's not to say I wish him here, I don't, but I wouldn't have a dicky fit if he was appointed.

Bladesway, like any job offer in life, it's all about your personal confidence and taking opportunities, not thinking about what might go wrong but what life will be like WHEN THINGS GO WELL.

Everybody is different and that's what sorts out the winners and the losers.

Anybody offered the United job will look at the squad, look at the budget, look at and listen to the new owner, look at the fan base, look at the ground, look at the Academy. If a confident person and a determined achiever, think how on earth has this club failed for so long. This club needs ME, LET'S GO. If I do fail in these circumstances I'll go painting and decorating.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Interesting point. If you are "on the dole" as you and I understand it fair enough but in the case of Adkins he is still being paid by Reading, is (as I understand it) being jetted around to the US to watch and learn how they coach etc. Then there will be TV appearances that he will probably make throughout the season. So on the dole doesn't really do it justice.

Then there is the "do I want to manage them?" which if I were a manager aspiring to have any career I would think bloody hard about before I chose to even take an interview with us. We are a basket case club who fire a manager on average every season. None of those managers have gone on to better things. You can put that down to poor managers in the first place, or you can put it down to us poisoning managers futures (if you want to view it that way).

I think now is the best time for us to be looking for a manager (for a change) but with our track record and our history, I would be less than shocked if what we end up with is as bad as what we had. To quantify that, if we end up with Robinson, Adkins, Warburton (with Weir as No 2 by the way) then we will have upgraded potentially. If we end up with Parkinson or any of the lesser lights we will have taken another punt into the dark.

Bladesway , i see and view it exactly same as you . We do need to upgrade the manager stakes and you get what you pay for . If i was a manager out of work , i would seriously consider not joining SUFC , as i am sure the LMA would advise against it , unless i can get nothing less than a 3 year contract , tied up legally /contractually , as it is a fact that i may only last 1 year.


I still have a gut feeling , that there is still a lot of work to be done , on the management front , and hopefully we do not go for , or finish up with second best , or a interim team, due to getting the knock back from the quality managers who could move us upwards.

If it is not clear cut , then the odds do go back , to a punt in the dark.



UTB

 

[Bladesway]

I actually think Parkinson is way underrated on here but that's not to say I wish him here, I don't, but I wouldn't have a dicky fit if he was appointed.

Bladesway, like any job offer in life, it's all about your personal confidence and taking opportunities, not thinking about what might go wrong but what life will be like WHEN THINGS GO WELL.

Everybody is different and that's what sorts out the winners and the losers.

Anybody offered the United job will look at the squad, look at the budget, look at and listen to the new owner, look at the fan base, look at the ground, look at the Academy. If a confident person and a determined achiever, think how on earth has this club failed for so long. This club needs ME, LET'S GO. If I do fail in these circumstances I'll go painting and decorating.

Like your tone of words WWF, I don't agree with some but its more opinion than anything I can nail for sure. A lot of your comment makes perfect sense however, I think managers are advised these days (many have agents and representatives) and it's not as clear cut as you put it. Thats my opinion rather than stated fact however. I would love it to be as you describe and I am praying nightly to whoever will listen that we end up with the right man. I don't care what his name is but would be disappointed initially if it were Parkinson. They would get a chance from me like any other manager would or should.

I know everyone on here wants promotion next season and success from thereon in. I have and never will have a dicky fit (unless we appointed Megson maybe) because you never know how that person is going to perform until they get in the managers seat. Here's hoping we get it right this time. I have more faith because it's not just McCabe but time will tell.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I actually think Parkinson is way underrated on here but that's not to say I wish him here, I don't, but I wouldn't have a dicky fit if he was appointed.

Bladesway, like any job offer in life, it's all about your personal confidence and taking opportunities, not thinking about what might go wrong but what life will be like WHEN THINGS GO WELL.

Everybody is different and that's what sorts out the winners and the losers.

Anybody offered the United job will look at the squad, look at the budget, look at and listen to the new owner, look at the fan base, look at the ground, look at the Academy. If a confident person and a determined achiever, think how on earth has this club failed for so long. This club needs ME, LET'S GO. If I do fail in these circumstances I'll go painting and decorating.

Potential managers have negotiations done through agents , discussions with the LMA and there lawyers . They also discuss the job with previous managers relating to the board , MD and any other behind the scene management team.

The way you look at it , is from years gone bye , which is the same way i view things in football.

Also you and i look at BDTBL and think with what we have got , nobody would turn us down if the salary was right .

In the world of football , although we are a big fish in a small pool of league1 , we may be viewed as unstable and trigger happy , especially after the press backing of Nice Nigel.

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

Like your tone of words WWF, I don't agree with some but its more opinion than anything I can nail for sure. A lot of your comment makes perfect sense however, I think managers are advised these days (many have agents and representatives) and it's not as clear cut as you put it. Thats my opinion rather than stated fact however. I would love it to be as you describe and I am praying nightly to whoever will listen that we end up with the right man. I don't care what his name is but would be disappointed initially if it were Parkinson. They would get a chance from me like any other manager would or should.

I know everyone on here wants promotion next season and success from thereon in. I have and never will have a dicky fit (unless we appointed Megson maybe) because you never know how that person is going to perform until they get in the managers seat. Here's hoping we get it right this time. I have more faith because it's not just McCabe but time will tell.

I had a dicky fit when Wilson was appointed and drove 2 hours to throw my season ticket at McCabe there and then.

McCabe invited us all in and sat at the front fielding questions in a team of three: Himself, Wilson and guess who? yes Morgan who was a Wilson enthusiast as he had worked with him before.

All questions from the floor were answered honestly and faithfully but most were "pig" nonsense and embarrassing frankly.

My point to him was the absolute middle of the road nature of the appointment, the mediocrity of Wilson's managerial career and the lack of ambition.

He responded that he had regarded Wilson as one of his few "go get him" managers for a number of years and he was excited that he was able to give the man the tools to do the job he was capable of after years in difficult circumstances. Listening to McCabe I was inspired by his enthusiasm for Wilson and utter belief Wilson was the man. I didn't go home happy but I kept my season ticket in my pocket!

I don't think the prince will let McCabe anywhere near this next appointment but I may be wrong. If so, all I know is that McCabe will do his best and on the law of averages he will get one right one day and he still has far more to lose or gain than you or me, that's for sure.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Potential managers have negotiations done through agents , discussions with the LMA and there lawyers . They also discuss the job with previous managers relating to the board , MD and any other behind the scene management team.

The way you look at it , is from years gone bye , which is the same way i view things in football.

Also you and i look at BDTBL and think with what we have got , nobody would turn us down if the salary was right .

In the world of football , although we are a big fish in a small pool of league1 , we may be viewed as unstable and trigger happy , especially after the press backing of Nice Nigel.

UTB

Fundamentally disagree.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Fundamentally disagree.

Up The Blades

Wait and see who we get.

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

I actually think Parkinson is way underrated on here but that's not to say I wish him here, I don't, but I wouldn't have a dicky fit if he was appointed.

Bladesway, like any job offer in life, it's all about your personal confidence and taking opportunities, not thinking about what might go wrong but what life will be like WHEN THINGS GO WELL.

Everybody is different and that's what sorts out the winners and the losers.

Anybody offered the United job will look at the squad, look at the budget, look at and listen to the new owner, look at the fan base, look at the ground, look at the Academy. If a confident person and a determined achiever, think how on earth has this club failed for so long. This club needs ME, LET'S GO. If I do fail in these circumstances I'll go painting and decorating.

This is the best ever post I have posted on this Forum and I've won a badge!!

 

[sheffielder]

I am strangely quite confident we will get this right. Clough was the right guy last season and has added stability, however those wheels were about to fall off. We acted, and as far as we know we are speaking to the type of manager the fans want. We have been here before and ended up with the cheap option, however Clough wasn't and isn't cheap. The prince isn;t going to chuck another 5m in the pot to take a chance on the next manager. We will go with probability this time.

 

[davidpinder]

ICT manager his odds are down to 7/4? Not seen his name crop up until now?

 

[Blade82]

Tut tut you're going to get told off for this young man.

See out of nowhere John Hughes thread mate

 

[Blade56]

Ouch, this is going to sting