Media's View On The Depature Of Clough

[Sothall_Blade]

http://m.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk/s...-yet-another-manager-bites-the-dust-1-7277994

Good article from James Shield I feel.
Unusual for a local journalist to be so critical of the Board.
Pretty strong hint that The Prince has made the decision.

 

[Punk Blade]

If the national press are so shocked at a manager reaching two cup semis and a play off semi getting sacked, why did they not do some research into the reasons why? If they think sacking him for failing to win promotion is ridiculous then maybe that wasn't the reason?

Personally I don't agree with getting rid, mostly because I think he's the best we can do at this point. I think he would have learned from the mistakes of last season and he could have taken us up next season. However I can certainly see the reasons why. I think the biggest reason is likely to be the amount he has spent and the number of signings he has made in the last 12 months to end up with zero senior centre backs and a squad needing serious surgery over the summer. I think the next biggest reason will be his stubbornness in his approach during games or for different opposition gifting ridiculous wins to the likes of Fleetwood and Crewe. And if losing in the playoffs was a factor, it will be more to do with the manner in which we lost, handing a four-goal advantage to Swindon early in the second leg and chasing a ridiculous number of goals. Who ever scored five away from home yet lost the tie?

I fear that if there is someone we could get who would be an improvement on Clough, these sort of comments will make it much harder to attract them.

 

[itsinyerblood]

who was that then??

That percentage was according to Kevin Gage when referring to Clough.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

With the recent average of 9.6 month for career as SUFC manager we'll have to fall very lucky for any serious candidate to consider it as it's a poor career choice.
Some of our fans who seem to like continual change rather than any sort of stability may now see their chickens come home to roost.

 

[Pinchy]

But these are not the fans that sit near me in the centre of the kop, not many around me have had a good word to say for the bloke for weeks, last season started so full of optimism but as the season went on we could all see we would never get near the top two, and then we could see we would struggle in the play offs. Walking back to the car after games hardly anyone had a good word for Clough, despite the silly polls on here or BM I genuinely believe at least 50% wanted rid of Clough and his boring style of football. Would I have renewed my ST if it was not for the fact I now qualify as a senior ? .................. not a bleedin chance, despite a great offer from the club ST sales are down on last season and will be a big factor.

What arrogant drivel. The fact is you, and people like you, listen only to those views that suit your own agenda and then convert those views, by some strange football alchemy, into a majority. You dismiss genuinely held opinions on here as "silly polls" for no better reason than that they don't accord with those of your noisy, malicious minority. Perhaps you should form a new forum with your silly mates on the Kop?

Whatever your SAD wishful-thinking, there was no groundswell of opinion that Clough must go. Amongst sensible people not tied to an agenda, there was dissatisfaction of course but an acceptance that NC should "have until Christmas" or similar sentiments.

Keep that agenda safe, though. You might not like the next bloke, either.

 

[Pinchy]

With the recent average of 9.6 month for career as SUFC manager we'll have to fall very lucky for any serious candidate to consider it as it's a poor career choice.
Some of our fans who seem to like continual change rather than any sort of stability may now see their chickens come home to roost.

Precisely. The truth is they want a Good Old s2 Hoofer. Morgan, perhaps. Sure, they haven't said so, but then again no-one admits they vote Tory do they?

Upanatem Morgs. Unsophisticated, agricultural Gerritintbox tripe. That's what we want at S2, none of your fancy pass and move. I hope they get him. I really do. They deserve it.

Brain Deane. A relic from Dinosaur Dave's Golden Age of Hoof. Schooled in the long-ball stronghold of Norway. Get him in as assistant. The dream ticket.

I'm looking forward to improving my handicap on a Saturday afternoon.

 

[JJ Sefton]

With the recent average of 9.6 month for career as SUFC manager we'll have to fall very lucky for any serious candidate to consider it as it's a poor career choice.
Some of our fans who seem to like continual change rather than any sort of stability may now see their chickens come home to roost.

We've got plenty of stability. We've been in this poxy division for years.

 

[YES Blade]

With the recent average of 9.6 month for career as SUFC manager we'll have to fall very lucky for any serious candidate to consider it as it's a poor career choice.
Some of our fans who seem to like continual change rather than any sort of stability may now see their chickens come home to roost.

Since Warnock left it's 7 Permanent mangers in 8 years, so I make that 13.7 months per manager. You could also say that with Speed quitting it makes the figures look slightly worse as had he not left for the Wales job, he would have seen out the season at least.

 

[super_pig]

just read this national media stuff finally
first of all the table for last season says .. played 46 won 19.. which is 41 percent win ratio
it's just lazy london based journalism. noone has said . 'get guardiola.. get neymar' it is bullshit. it is all relative. we are a big club at this level.. just like liverpool coming sixth is not good enough.. us coming fifth in league one is simply not good enough. we have a budget that most championship clubs can only dream about. that added to weird team selections, falling out with half the team and totally mind numbing football has done for him. if it is good enough for man utd to come fifth and sack their manager then why not us?
got some sympathy for Savage. i reckon as a crocked ex Derby guy he fancied his chances so i won't be too harsh
to me it's a bit like saying 'ooh the ship is going down.. but we always go for the lifeboat so we'll stay on the deck this time'

 

[super_pig]

With the recent average of 9.6 month for career as SUFC manager we'll have to fall very lucky for any serious candidate to consider it as it's a poor career choice.
Some of our fans who seem to like continual change rather than any sort of stability may now see their chickens come home to roost.

won't happen mate. lots of unemployed managers will fancy it

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Since Warnock left it's 7 Permanent mangers in 8 years, so I make that 13.7 months per manager. You could also say that with Speed quitting it makes the figures look slightly worse as had he not left for the Wales job, he would have seen out the season at least.

I'm sorry have you really altered the base data to push it up to just over a season to make it seem like we're don't lack stability?

I would say apart from those managers quite happy to work a year in order to get paid for 3 when they are sacked, you figures back my side of the argument.

 

[metalblade]

What arrogant drivel. The fact is you, and people like you, listen only to those views that suit your own agenda and then convert those views, by some strange football alchemy, into a majority. You dismiss genuinely held opinions on here as "silly polls" for no better reason than that they don't accord with those of your noisy, malicious minority. Perhaps you should form a new forum with your silly mates on the Kop?

Whatever your SAD wishful-thinking, there was no groundswell of opinion that Clough must go. Amongst sensible people not tied to an agenda, there was dissatisfaction of course but an acceptance that NC should "have until Christmas" or similar sentiments.

Keep that agenda safe, though. You might not like the next bloke, either.

Pot, kettle and black spring to mind, the only person spouting arrogant drivel is your good self with the agenda of the WUM. I see SAD as replaced single cells, crayon drawers and knuckle dragger's dear me. Back on your naughty step fella miss will be along shortly to rap your fingers with the ruler.

 

[Darren]

As people have said, there must have been a major falling out with the Board. They would not have got him to do that video if they were going to sack him.

As has also been said, Clough Jnr seems to have learned his managerial style from Clough Snr. You only get away with that if you are very good. The latter was, the former isn't.

 

[Blade56]

Derby don't seem to be getting the same bad press for sacking McClaren, he wasn't in post as long as NC

 

[metalblade]

Tell you something else Derby don't seem to be clamouring to get non league Nigel back

 

[Kenilworth]

Yep - as super_pig says - 19 wins from 46 league games is 41%
That's no where near promotion form and we all know that was the aim.
You could have some sympathy if the wage bill was being slashed and players sold without replacements or no money available for transfers but the board has backed him with money and signings and we were still two CB and a strong, powerful midfielder short of a decent side. We all recognised it, so why didn't he do owt about it?

I would have accepted him staying for the beginning of next season to see how we got on but then again I have to accept mediocrity - cos I am a Blade - and that's the way we roll

 

[grafikhaus]

OK, here's the (League) stats since Clough came in:

P: 79 W: 35 D: 24 L: 20.

Win per game ratio: 44.3%

Not too shabby on the face of it. But just as under Blackwell & Wilson, we know that stats can hide a lot of things.

 

[super_pig]

That percentage was according to Kevin Gage when referring to Clough.

perhaps he should have attended maths lessons at school.. if we had a 60% win ratio we'd have walked the league and wouldn't be having this discussion

 

[itsinyerblood]

perhaps he should have attended maths lessons at school.. if we had a 60% win ration we'd have walked the league and wouldn't be having this discussion

As grafikhaus states, stats are just one element in what makes a manager decent at his job. They help of course, but whatever NC's stats were, and I'm quite happy to revise if what's provided are the reality, we're still left with a bigger question of who we appoint and under what conditions.

 

[super_pig]

As grafikhaus states, stats are just one element in what makes a manager decent at his job. They help of course, but whatever NC's stats were, and I'm quite happy to revise if what's provided are the reality, we're still left with a bigger question of who we appoint and under what conditions.

the original argument was that he had a 60 percent win ratio.. this was untrue.. one myth at a time please

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Clough leaves us with a 47% win ratio in all matches and equivalent to 1.7 points per game:-

 

[itsinyerblood]

the original argument was that he had a 60 percent win ratio.. this was untrue.. one myth at a time please

Then write to Mr Gage s_p and offer your complaint.....also, I don't think the original point was an argument, it was just a figure that I'm now being told was inaccurate. I don't have a problem accepting more accurate info, hope that clears that up for you.

 

[Revolution]

Clough leaves us with a 47% win ratio in all matches and equivalent to 1.7 points per game:-

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That includes cup games - do you have that info for league games only?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

OK, here's the (League) stats since Clough came in:

P: 79 W: 35 D: 24 L: 20.

Win per game ratio: 44.3%

Not too shabby on the face of it. But just as under Blackwell & Wilson, we know that stats can hide a lot of things.

Presumably if you add in the cups this makes the 56%, which you can then round off to 60%.

Not saying this is valid or not, just where the stats may have come from.

 

[grafikhaus]

Presumably if you add in the cups this makes the 56%, which you can then round off to 60%.

Not saying this is valid or not, just where the stats may have come from.

And if you add in the JPT, if you count pre-season friendlies, if mi auntie had bollocks etc. The only stat. that counts is league form. Look at Hull last season. Getting to the FA Cup Final was undoubtedly thrilling. What will their fixture list for next season say?

 

[super_pig]

Then write to Mr Gage s_p and offer your complaint.....also, I don't think the original point was an argument, it was just a figure that I'm now being told was inaccurate. I don't have a problem accepting more accurate info, hope that clears that up for you.

heh.. my apologies mate

 

[Sothall_Blade]

That includes cup games - do you have that info for league games only?

No, it includes all league and cup games for all managers.
It shouldn't be too difficult to work Clough's League record out if you're that way inclined.

Presumably if you add in the cups this makes the 56%, which you can then round off to 60%.
Not saying this is valid or not, just where the stats may have come from.

No, it's 47% in all matches including cups.

 

[super_pig]

Presumably if you add in the cups this makes the 56%, which you can then round off to 60%.

Not saying this is valid or not, just where the stats may have come from.

heh i simply love this.. so if i pay a quid off my mortgage i can say to the bank..yeah can we round that up please.. (not your fault Foulkesy btw i'm not blaming you)

 

[super_pig]

And if you add in the JPT, if you count pre-season friendlies, if mi auntie had bollocks etc. The only stat. that counts is league form. Look at Hull last season. Getting to the FA Cup Final was undoubtedly thrilling. What will their fixture list for next season say?

can't count the Pre season friendlies.. i seem to remember we lost most of them

 

[Darthblade]

I agree Metal. I care little what Pat Murphy or Robbie Savage think about anything, and even less what they say about Sheffield United.

I pay far more attention to the two thirds of fans on this forum and BM who said Clough should stay.

Fair point here, however, remember that most of the fans who wanted him to stay also inserted the proviso that he "learned from this seasons mistakes".

If the Board, during the meeting on Sunday, decided that he hadn't learned from the mistakes and was likely to continue to piss off the fans with negative tactics, strange team selections, midget midfield and strange recruitment policies ...... that could be why they gave him the bullet.

We must move on now and get behind the new manager, whoever they are ....... although where the fu**ing hell the Piggy Star get Megson / Di Canio from in their verbal crap I have no idea !!
UTB & FTP