CONFIRMED Clough Sacked

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Quite shocked at this. I thought that everything had calmed down after the play off defeat and he had survived to at least to start next season. I assume that the time delay is due to getting the input of HRH and I would guess he has fad the biggest influence on this.

The problem for Clough is that he has not built on the success he had after he came in the previous season. This is largely down to his own poor management and decision making. The falling out with players, stubbornness to accept mistakes, lack of centre backs, failure to address or even at first acknowledge the striker issue earlier in the season, over cautious tactics against poor opposition were the main reasons for last seasons failure. Despite all this I had accepted that he would get more time to learn from those mistakes and be given a chance to get it right next season. However when you look at his faults they are exactly the same faults that Derby fans told us about when he joined and perhaps this indicates he is not someone who is going to change and that next season would be just more of the same. Maybe this is why the board felt they needed to make this decision.

We now enter the lottery of a new manager. There are no guarantees of course but my choice would be Nigel Adkins. He knows how to get out of this division and then continue that progress in the next league up. Southampton at that time were a similar club to ourselves and I think he would cope with the fans expectations and would command respect. Paul Lambert falls into a similar category although I worry his confidence has been dented by his time at Villa. It goes without saying we need to get it right but after the various appointments post Warnock I have to say I am more apprehensive than I were pre todays news.
 
Mad Mick said:
Firstly I am shocked.
I thought NC did a good job, people seem to have a short memory. Just over a year ago he was the new messiah having saved us from relegation and nearly reached the pay-offs.
We DID make the play-offs this season. We may well have made auto next. So why has he gone?
Like some peeps have intimated, I reckon there has been some issue blown up that we don't know about.
Clough is stubborn, but that's not always a bad thing, he takes after is dad for that, but sometimes he remains intransigent when he has made errors, and that can rub people up the wrong way.
Long term it may be a good thing, or a complete disaster, time will tell.
As usual I'm optimistic.
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Could it be one promotion in fifteen or so years has caught up with him?
 
judge said:
Credit where its due ,the side that finished cloughs first season was good enough to win promotion and needed only minor changes

The one that started the next season was wank and needed loads
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That's always the problem, failure to get promotion means there is a chance the better players will leave. Another reason it's hard to build while we're in League One.
 
On reflection, we fans have speculated that Clough might have lost the dressing room, someone said the dressing room was split. If the Board believes those are the case it was a no-brainer for them.
 
Pinchy said:
Neanderthal pub team HOOOOFF!!

My word, they're showing their true colours today.

Let's bring Dinosaur Dave back with Bladey Hoofer Morgs to answer his phone.

I despair. I really do.
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Actually my choice would be Warburton......you can have attacking football without hoofball, no need to go back in time, it's time to move forward!.
UTB!
 
......, failure to get promotion means there is a chance the better players will leave.
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Tbh YB I can't think of a single player (maybe Done) that comes anywhere near indispensable
 
Woodwardfan said:
On reflection, we fans have speculated that Clough might have lost the dressing room, someone said the dressing room was split. If the Board believes those are the case it was a no-brainer for them.
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Every out of favour manager has always 'lost the dressing room' and is 'tactically inept' according to disgruntled fans. It's an easy and cheap shot.

Are you suggesting that players (some of them very poor players) should decide who is manager? What a recipe for confusion and disaster! Players should concentrate on doing their own jobs correctly before purporting to choose their own gaffer.
 
TBH I was dreading next season watching the same boring possession football under NC but now it is time to get rid and bring in a new management team with more attacking ideas and maybe a touch of hoofball as well!
 
Hopefully he will take a few players with him,Coutts,Higdon,McNulty,Howard etc
The players I would keep are Brayford,Murphy,Done,Adams,Flynn and Basham.
 
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Bladesman said:
I think the way we coasted into the playoffs made the boards mind up. Clough is stubborn and seemed completely out of ideas. Then as soon as the playoffs are over it's "oh we need some centre halves and a striker" well that's been obvious all bloody season.

I'm still pissed off with the daft arrangement over McCarthys loan move. That was worrying that someone like Clough would be so daft to bring a player in where he wouldn't be training with his squad. That only came about I think because Clough got desperate after falling out with Butler. He lurched from one problem to another mostly of his own doing.
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Cloughs bizarre failure to bring in a half decent centre half was virtually costing us a goal every game towards the end of the season, whilst at the same time denying us the use of our best midfield player. Why he never addressed this, don't suppose we will ever find out now.
 
Pinchy said:
Every out of favour manager has always 'lost the dressing room' and is 'tactically inept' according to disgruntled fans. It's an easy and cheap shot.

Are you suggesting that players (some of them very poor players) should decide who is manager? What a recipe for confusion and disaster! Players should concentrate on doing their own jobs correctly before purporting to choose their own gaffer.
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I suggested it last November actually and was bombed out on here. Clough and Garner's management style plus their poisonous criticisms of players during and after games did not exactly help team spirit.

My comment was simply an observation and a possible explanation what the Board may have realised and which some fans were not privy to.

Personally I realised there were problems months ago.
 
Woodwardfan said:
I suggested it last November actually and was bombed out on here. Clough and Garner's management style plus their poisonous criticisms of players during and after games did not exactly help team spirit.

My comment was simply an observation and a possible explanation what the Board may have realised and which some fans were not privy to.

Personally I realised there were problems months ago.
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Are players to be immune from criticism as well as selecting the manager?
 
Pinchy said:
Are players to be immune from criticism as well as selecting the manager?
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IMO Yes. Just like any CEO, Shop manager, publican, Prime Minister, Party Leader, Site Manager, Bank manager, Ship's Captain, Producer, etc. etc. The buck stops with the leader who sets the tone, sets the standards and leads. The rest follow but the best leaders generate responsibility within the group, of course they do.
 
Blade56 said:
Disagree, if his job is U21 he should be judged on that performance and left out of the main squad
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Well, firstly I've heard no glowing reports on his u-21 performances. Not surprising - he's a hoofer of limited intelligence who, I repeat, was appointed for financial, not footballing reasons. I want to develop proper footballers not pub players.

Secondly, he has been as much part of the first-team coaching as Garner or anywhere else. He's there every match day, alongside Clough. Let's stop the Bladey hypocrisy, shall we? If Clough's back room team have to go, why distinguish Morgan? We're not a rest-home for retired centre-halves!

Gerrimout!
 

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