Steve Davies.

[Woodwardfan]

The reason i only just raised the point is in the first line of my post. I have only just seen the thread, otherwise i'd have raised it earlier wwf. Out of the faults Scouggs has one of them isn't a lack of energy, that's all i wanted to say and i would still say that in 3 years time or back on the 1st of April.

Fair enough, I just thought it was a coincidence two posters had brought it up. cheers. Hope you like the point about partnerships though.

 

[Woodwardfan]

He's looked good at time and shit at others. Age is on his side (though size isn't) and I hope he makes it. I wouldn't be overly surprised if he didn't.

UTB

He's as good as Currie was when he first arrived. Better than Jags at an older age. We actually don't see many at 17 and it's exciting when they play with composure and their mind is working properly. He's time to grow yet of course and he's quite sturdy already though he will lose that if he shoots up.

Maguire was exceptional too but did we see him in the first eleven at 17 years old, I'm not so sure.

Adams is exceptional for his age too. What a bonus that is and all credit due to the Head Scout even though he played just down his street!! Reed has played over 30 times though and those will be crucial for Adams.

 

[wizadry]

Fair enough, I just thought it was a coincidence two posters had brought it up. cheers. Hope you like the point about partnerships though.

The point about the partnerships was an interesting one, only because it shows how far away we are from playing a good 4-4-2 formation. Doyle and Reed in a 4-4-2 would have Zero chance of working. Not enough strength, pace, agility, ability to tackle or workrate to be in the middle 2 of a midfield, not a cat in hells chance mate.

Luckily, the man who you say is the key man has eventually been moved on, this has atleast put a bit of brightness into the future of Sheffield United. What we have to do now is replace him with someone better.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

He's as good as Currie was when he first arrived. Better than Jags at an older age. We actually don't see many at 17 and it's exciting when they play with composure and their mind is working properly. He's time to grow yet of course and he's quite sturdy already though he will lose that if he shoots up.

Maguire was exceptional too but did we see him in the first eleven at 17 years old, I'm not so sure.

Adams is exceptional for his age too. What a bonus that is and all credit due to the Head Scout even though he played just down his street!! Reed has played over 30 times though and those will be crucial for Adams.

Woody , totally disagree . Young Reed although a fantastic young prospect , is not a patch on Currie at that age . In saying that it is difficult to make a comparison , as they are different type of players . Paul Scholes mould , maybe but Tony Currie - No.

I don't think we really new how good Jags was until he had gone . He covered for 3 players at least , and his stamina , strength , height , skill , was second to none.

Reed will not grow a lot in height , but if he applies himself in the correct way , his parents , Clough and certain back room staff , will help him grow in stature. Feet on the ground , and patient , understanding fans , when things aren't going to plan for him in a game.

Adams could be a raw talent one off , who can only get better and better. Ready for a good first team run , both of them IMO , with more height and muscle in midfield to protect them , and also boss a game.

Positive though , which is good for all.

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

Woody , totally disagree . Young Reed although a fantastic young prospect , is not a patch on Currie at that age . In saying that it is difficult to make a comparison , as they are different type of players . Paul Scholes mould , maybe but Tony Currie - No.

I don't think we really new how good Jags was until he had gone . He covered for 3 players at least , and his stamina , strength , height , skill , was second to none.

Reed will not grow a lot in height , but if he applies himself in the correct way , his parents , Clough and certain back room staff , will help him grow in stature. Feet on the ground , and patient , understanding fans , when things aren't going to plan for him in a game.

Adams could be a raw talent one off , who can only get better and better. Ready for a good first team run , both of them IMO , with more height and muscle in midfield to protect them , and also boss a game.

Positive though , which is good for all.

UTB

My Lord, I'm simply talking age for age. When Currie arrived he was already 18 years old, a baby faced slightly podgy young lad.

Of course I'm allowing for age and positions. Look what Reed has done already and he's not 18 until July.

Jags made his debut when he was 17yrs 9 months and you will recall he played all his games in midfield in those early months and was not exceptional there.

Anyway, so many things can happen but others have said "if you are good enough you are old enough at 17" and that applies to Messi et al. not Reed and Jagielka or Currie. That kind of ability is known for years before they eventually break through at 17. I was hoping Diego was one of those when I heard he was in the Italy U19's a year or so early, but apparently not.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

My Lord, I'm simply talking age for age. When Currie arrived he was already 18 years old, a baby faced slightly podgy young lad.

Of course I'm allowing for age and positions. Look what Reed has done already and he's not 18 until July.

Jags made his debut when he was 17yrs 9 months and you will recall he played all his games in midfield in those early months and was not exceptional there.

Anyway, so many things can happen but others have said "if you are good enough you are old enough at 17" and that applies to Messi et al. not Reed and Jagielka or Currie. That kind of ability is known for years before they eventually break through at 17. I was hoping Diego was one of those when I heard he was in the Italy U19's a year or so early, but apparently not.

The catalyst for the young , senior , and new players coming into the club , ensuring they all gel , and play in positions most suited , adding confidence , motivation , balance , and belief to the team - Clough.

He could be the winning factor next season . Think maybe the jury's out for most fans . It all depends Woody who he brings in .

Adams , Reed - lets keep them .

UTB

 

[Woodwardfan]

The catalyst for the young , senior , and new players coming into the club , ensuring they all gel , and play in positions most suited , adding confidence , motivation , balance , and belief to the team - Clough.

He could be the winning factor next season . Think maybe the jury's out for most fans . It all depends Woody who he brings in .

Adams , Reed - lets keep them .

UTB

Which Clough?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Which Clough?

Our Nigel ,team affairs , player recruitment. Studying opposition.

Our Simon - Scouting . player recruitment , studying opposition.

. But we all know were one goes the other follows . Both have to improve IMO.

Also perhaps a freshen up on the coaching , wouldn't go amiss . It would certainly get rid of any staleness , and improve set and positional play .

The thing we just cannot have is same old , same old.

 

[blader]

This would be quite disappointing for me, and would be a sign that we haven't learned anything from our mistakes.

Yes, Davies was better than what had when he came in. Yes, he's done a job for us to fill a huge void in the side.

BUT, this is not the type of player the winners of league 1 would have in their side. We need 2/3 genuine goal scorers who will get 15+ goals, and there's no evidence Davies is capable of this based on his record. BC, Preston and MK Dons started last season with players up front who have proven they can score regular goals at this level or above. We've fallen into a rut of accepting mediocrity and when you compare Davies to Wilbraham, Afobe, Becckford etc he's just nowhere near. Would be a reasonable (at best) squad player but I hope Nigel intends on making 2/3 much better signings than this one up front.

 

[Going up]

This would be quite disappointing for me, and would be a sign that we haven't learned anything from our mistakes.

Yes, Davies was better than what had when he came in. Yes, he's done a job for us to fill a huge void in the side.

BUT, this is not the type of player the winners of league 1 would have in their side. We need 2/3 genuine goal scorers who will get 15+ goals, and there's no evidence Davies is capable of this based on his record. BC, Preston and MK Dons started last season with players up front who have proven they can score regular goals at this level or above. We've fallen into a rut of accepting mediocrity and when you compare Davies to Wilbraham, Afobe, Becckford etc he's just nowhere near. Would be a reasonable (at best) squad player but I hope Nigel intends on making 2/3 much better signings than this one up front.

2/3 would leave no place for McNulty, or Che, possibly even Done. All of which could easily get us 12/15 goals each, given a run in the side.

3 would be over the top and stifle Che's development. I see him as big and important in our team as Murphy, Brayford or Basham in a year or two.

 

[finlaytheblade]

My Lord, I'm simply talking age for age. When Currie arrived he was already 18 years old, a baby faced slightly podgy young lad.

Of course I'm allowing for age and positions. Look what Reed has done already and he's not 18 until July.

Jags made his debut when he was 17yrs 9 months and you will recall he played all his games in midfield in those early months and was not exceptional there.

Anyway, so many things can happen but others have said "if you are good enough you are old enough at 17" and that applies to Messi et al. not Reed and Jagielka or Currie. That kind of ability is known for years before they eventually break through at 17. I was hoping Diego was one of those when I heard he was in the Italy U19's a year or so early, but apparently not.

currie was 17 when j harriss signed him from watford he was 18 on jan 1st and made his debut i think in february against spurs you could see on his debut he was something special the rest is history. he had the blades fans in the palm of his hands what would we give for a player of his quality now !!

 

[JohnDenver]

One point about Davies goal scoring record… How many chances did we actually create for him?

Compare the service Evans used to get (and the support he had alongside him), with Davies up front on his own and naff all service from out wide.

We need to start attacking teams before we can criticise his goal record at this level.

 

[Silent Blade]

currie was 17 when j harriss signed him from watford he was 18 on jan 1st and made his debut i think in february against spurs you could see on his debut he was something special the rest is history. he had the blades fans in the palm of his hands what would we give for a player of his quality now !!

No, Watford didnt want to sell TC when they were still in the FA Cup. We knocked Watford out of the Cup with a Mick Hill goal on January 27th. TC signed for us on 1st February 1968

 

[Bladesince59]

Pretty much all the teams learnt how to dick us this year. What's going to change with Clough in charge?

 

[Going up]

Pretty much all the teams learnt how to dick us this year. What's going to change with Clough in charge?

Everything, mark my words;-)

 

[Going up]

="Going up, post: 764319, member: 13182"]Everything, mark my words;-)[/QUOTE]

I believe that Nigel tried to play defensive knowing that the back line was frail. He tried with Paddy, that didnt work and some of the new guys and Jay lost confidence, Terry couldn't play more than two games in a row.

All that is behind us now, but with the right additions to the back four this year, I believe that Nigel will be much more confident and attacking next season.

 

[Pinchy]

currie was 17 when j harriss signed him from watford he was 18 on jan 1st and made his debut i think in february against spurs you could see on his debut he was something special the rest is history. he had the blades fans in the palm of his hands what would we give for a player of his quality now !!

TC's debut against Spurs was spectacular. Absolutely magnificent. He did more in that magical 90 minutes (including score) than young Reedy has done in his whole career. I don't mean to pick on Woody (I used to agree with him quite a lot until he suddenly went bonkers) but that comparison is one of the most ridiculous a Blade could make and actually does young Reed no favours. He chooses to forget that Reed was (rightly) subbed at half-time twice. I don't forget. He had lost his way completely. I wish him well and hope he fulfils his promise but no amount of Bladey wishful thinking is going to make him anywhere near Tony Currie. In fact he needs to go on loan to learn a bit more about the game. Maybe get a goal or four in Division Four, like Diego de Juve.

 

[Lane Ender]

TC's debut against Spurs was spectacular. Absolutely magnificent. He did more in that magical 90 minutes (including score) than young Reedy has done in his whole career. I don't mean to pick on Woody (I used to agree with him quite a lot until he suddenly went bonkers) but that comparison is one of the most ridiculous a Blade could make and actually does young Reed no favours. He chooses to forget that Reed was (rightly) subbed at half-time twice. I don't forget. He had lost his way completely. I wish him well and hope he fulfils his promise but no amount of Bladey wishful thinking is going to make him anywhere near Tony Currie. In fact he needs to go on loan to learn a bit more about the game. Maybe get a goal or four in Division Four, like Diego de Juve.

I don't get all this with Reed also ,he's a long way to go the kid

 

[metalblade]

I don't get it with Steve Davis, injury prone, doesn't score much, not even wanted by the train wreck of a club Blackpool yet he is going to be the one some pin their hopes of promotion and goals on, my God the world's gone mad.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

TC's debut against Spurs was spectacular. Absolutely magnificent. He did more in that magical 90 minutes (including score) than young Reedy has done in his whole career. I don't mean to pick on Woody (I used to agree with him quite a lot until he suddenly went bonkers) but that comparison is one of the most ridiculous a Blade could make and actually does young Reed no favours. He chooses to forget that Reed was (rightly) subbed at half-time twice. I don't forget. He had lost his way completely. I wish him well and hope he fulfils his promise but no amount of Bladey wishful thinking is going to make him anywhere near Tony Currie. In fact he needs to go on loan to learn a bit more about the game. Maybe get a goal or four in Division Four, like Diego de Juve.

Mind you, TC was surrounded by far better players than Reed is

 

[Pinchy]

Mind you, TC was surrounded by far better players than Reed is

Yes, but that includes far better opponents as well, so it balances out. He played Spurs on his own that night. Never seen a debut like it and never will again....

 

[finlaytheblade]

No, Watford didnt want to sell TC when they were still in the FA Cup. We knocked Watford out of the Cup with a Mick Hill goal on January 27th. TC signed for us on 1st February 1968

No, Watford didnt want to sell TC when they were still in the FA Cup. We knocked Watford out of the Cup with a Mick Hill goal on January 27th. TC signed for us on 1st February 1968

apologies silent and woodwardfan i got my dates and age facts wrong about currie,i will have to start using my
blades history books as i have got things slightly wrong before facts in books are more reliable than long term memory shortcomings.At that time "The Star" was the only way to keep up to date with all things "Blades" and
i do (i think) remember reading about the curriie signing obviously no one at time could appreciate what a star we had signed