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to express the opinion that last night was yet another piss poor performance against a piss poor side in a piss poor league.

Can't have that debate without someone saying your being negative, a slasher etc. But I reserve the right to say...

THE KING HASN'T GOT ANY CLOTHES ON

with the players, support and resources NC has at his disposal we should have been promoted by Christmas! The only leeway I would give is I think CE was a millstone round his neck until now but now NO EXCUSSES
 

they have not lost away since january or something like that and i can see why. they defend deep and in numbers so we need to get players into their area which we didnt do until after we took baxter and doyle off.
people say go 442 but struggle to come up with who should play in central midfield. some suggested doyle and baxter! couldnt think of anything worse!
 
to express the opinion that last night was yet another piss poor performance against a piss poor side in a piss poor league.

Can't have that debate without someone saying your being negative, a slasher etc. But I reserve the right to say...

THE KING HASN'T GOT ANY CLOTHES ON

with the players, support and resources NC has at his disposal we should have been promoted by Christmas! The only leeway I would give is I think CE was a millstone round his neck until now but now NO EXCUSSES

Agree 100% I'm hearing a lot that the players aren't good enough, but I haven't seen a team this season with players that I have thought are much (if at all) better than what we have.

We have only scored 4 first half goals, that isn't the sign of a promotion team. The fact that clough doesn't seem to want to/or isn't capable of improving the first half performances is very worrying.

Clough has earned time after last season, but we should be mounting a serious challenge for automatic promotion this season. If there are no signs of mounting a challenge by early or late Jan, we should be considering making a change.
 
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to express the opinion that last night was yet another piss poor performance against a piss poor side in a piss poor league.

Can't have that debate without someone saying your being negative, a slasher etc. But I reserve the right to say...

THE KING HASN'T GOT ANY CLOTHES ON

with the players, support and resources NC has at his disposal we should have been promoted by Christmas! The only leeway I would give is I think CE was a millstone round his neck until now but now NO EXCUSSES

I disagree mate .... I think the CE issue is irrelevant, but I don't think that he's been given the resources that were alluded to pre-season. I think the wool is being pulled over our eyes regarding resources and I think he's being asked to make a "silk purse from a sows ear".

We have too much driftwood in our squad and too many players not stepping up to the plate, omho.
UTB & FTP
 
Agree 100% I'm hearing a lot that the players aren't good enough, but I haven't seen a team this season with players that I have thought are much (if at all) better than what we have.

We have only scored 4 first half goals, that isn't the sign of a promotion team. The fact that clough doesn't seem to want to/or isn't capable of improving the first half performances is very worrying.

Clough has earned time after last season, but we should be mounting a serious challenge for automatic promotion this season. If there are no signs of mounting a challenge by early or late Jan, we should be considering making a change.
accepted we are not too clever at home at the moment but the position we are in suggests we are mounting a challenge we can and will get better all to play for!
 
I disagree mate .... I think the CE issue is irrelevant, but I don't think that he's been given the resources that were alluded to pre-season. I think the wool is being pulled over our eyes regarding resources and I think he's being asked to make a "silk purse from a sows ear".

We have too much driftwood in our squad and too many players not stepping up to the plate, omho.
UTB & FTP

silk purse out of a sows ear? Are you serious? What Derry and Johnson at Notts County and Oldham are doing would suit the silk purse analogy.

Our budget is one of the biggest in the league. What clough is currently achieving in the league is bare minimum.
 
I disagree mate .... I think the CE issue is irrelevant, but I don't think that he's been given the resources that were alluded to pre-season. I think the wool is being pulled over our eyes regarding resources and I think he's being asked to make a "silk purse from a sows ear".

We have too much driftwood in our squad and too many players not stepping up to the plate, omho.
UTB & FTP

Clough has wasted most of what little funds he was given.

And a low budget does not excuse his appalling team selections and tactics.
 
It's worth noting that we have been in this piss poor league for some time, so if that's what you want to call it then we are one of said piss poor teams. Expectation is a great deal higher than both the personnel and funding available. Not a good combination.

Better to accept what we are and live in hope that we will earn the right to get out of this league soon. No one is going to lay down and surrender to us just because we're Sheffield United and have a big ground. We're a League One club, just like the rest.
 
they have not lost away since january or something like that and i can see why. they defend deep and in numbers so we need to get players into their area which we didnt do until after we took baxter and doyle off.
people say go 442 but struggle to come up with who should play in central midfield. some suggested doyle and baxter! couldnt think of anything worse!

yes, well spotted - reckon that is the deepest I have ever seen any 11 play, ever before.

If anyone think Notts Co and S Derry in particular are half decent, then you are having a laugh. Notts emulate what Derry has always stood for - 100% effort, 100% commitment and 100% effective. If I had to watch that week in, week out, then I really would stop watching football.

As boring as I have ever seen. Good luck to Notts C playing that way - easy to see why they don't lose away.

They deserve everything that is coming their way - NOTHING.

Oh and yes, we were poor, but still slightly better than Notts C because we actually went over the half way line.

UTB
 
Self starters........

This team lacks any of the above.
I had hoped that Scougall would be the key but he has not picked up last years form as yet.
In any case any teams need more than one and Clough has signally failed to address this problem.....unless OGrady can do this.
 
It's worth noting that we have been in this piss poor league for some time, so if that's what you want to call it then we are one of said piss poor teams. Expectation is a great deal higher than both the personnel and funding available. Not a good combination.

Better to accept what we are and live in hope that we will earn the right to get out of this league soon. No one is going to lay down and surrender to us just because we're Sheffield United and have a big ground. We're a League One club, just like the rest.

So what should our expectations be? I base my expectations on our wage bill and I believe ours is one of the highest in the league. I'd say Bristol City are the only team who are higher with the likes of MK Dons, Preston and Swindon being similar or lower. So I feel we should be mounting a serious automatic promotion challenge.
 
So what should our expectations be? I base my expectations on our wage bill and I believe ours is one of the highest in the league. I'd say Bristol City are the only team who are higher with the likes of MK Dons, Preston and Swindon being similar or lower. So I feel we should be mounting a serious automatic promotion challenge.

Do we have any proof of that? I'm not saying it isn't the case but I haven't heard or read anything to suggest that it is either.

I always base my expectations on how good I feel the team is. I usually give it a dozen (sometimes more) games to make my mind up and I think we're a playoff team so that's where my expectation is set at the moment.

I don't know what the wage bill is or how much anyone cost so I can't use that to set the bar.
 
Do we have any proof of that? I'm not saying it isn't the case but I haven't heard or read anything to suggest that it is either.

I always base my expectations on how good I feel the team is. I usually give it a dozen (sometimes more) games to make my mind up and I think we're a playoff team so that's where my expectation is set at the moment.

I don't know what the wage bill is or how much anyone cost so I can't use that to set the bar.

No, I don't have proof, just basing it on the players we have signed eg JCR came from Notts County cause we pay more sane with Alcoxk leaving Peterborough for us.

Look at the Premiership, teams such as Chelsea, Man City, Man U etc have the highest expectations because they have the biggest budgets so why should league one be any different? We have one of the highest budgets so should be up there and if we aren't, Clough has to take the responsibility for not making the most of that budget.
 
No, I don't have proof, just basing it on the players we have signed eg JCR came from Notts County cause we pay more sane with Alcoxk leaving Peterborough for us.

Look at the Premiership, teams such as Chelsea, Man City, Man U etc have the highest expectations because they have the biggest budgets so why should league one be any different? We have one of the highest budgets so should be up there and if we aren't, Clough has to take the responsibility for not making the most of that budget.

Again you don't know that and neither do I. JCR and Alcock are decent players but I don't see how our ability to outbid their previous clubs proves anything. Those clubs may have reallocated some of the budget elsewhere, perhaps for new signings etc.

We don't know what the budget is or that of other clubs. That's an assumption.
 
Do we have any proof of that? I'm not saying it isn't the case but I haven't heard or read anything to suggest that it is either.

I always base my expectations on how good I feel the team is. I usually give it a dozen (sometimes more) games to make my mind up and I think we're a playoff team so that's where my expectation is set at the moment.

I don't know what the wage bill is or how much anyone cost so I can't use that to set the bar.

I would assume, given the FFP rules, that we can have the biggest wage bill. Given the size of our squad, I'd also assume we have the biggest.
 

I would assume, given the FFP rules, that we can have the biggest wage bill. Given the size of our squad, I'd also assume we have the biggest.

That's the key word though.

I would say Bristol City (for one) have a bigger budget. Smaller squad but their key players will be on much more than ours. It wouldn't surprise me if one or two other clubs didn't have bigger budgets as well.
 
That's the key word though.

I would say Bristol City (for one) have a bigger budget. Smaller squad but their key players will be on much more than ours. It wouldn't surprise me if one or two other clubs didn't have bigger budgets as well.

We have quite a few players who must be on high wages (for this league) - McGinn, Doyle, Baxter, Murphy, Higdon, Flo etc.

I'd say City's top players may be on more, but I reckon the overall wage bill we have will be higher.
 
We have quite a few players who must be on high wages (for this league) - McGinn, Doyle, Baxter, Murphy, Higdon, Flo etc.

I'd say City's top players may be on more, but I reckon the overall wage bill we have will be higher.

No chance. I know Bristol City quite well as a club, live in the area, have supporters in the family. Their wage bill is almost certainly higher than ours. I would be completely shocked if it wasn't.

For a start just look at their team. Fielding, Elliott, Freeman, Wilbraham, Emmanuel-Thomas, Agard. Championship wages amongst those.
 
No chance. I know Bristol City quite well as a club, live in the area, have supporters in the family. Their wage bill is almost certainly higher than ours. I would be completely shocked if it wasn't.

For a start just look at their team. Fielding, Elliott, Freeman, Wilbraham, Emmanuel-Thomas, Agard. Championship wages amongst those.

You could well be right in terms of City, but I can't see us having a smaller wage bill than any other team. If we're not on our FFP limited it b rings another question into the Prince's investment. I believe we were promised that his money would go towards investment on the pitch.
 
Clough said in the summer that he only wanted a small squad instead he spent on a big one.He has players that are fit and can't get a game.I suppose these extras will be moved on in January to fund any window acquisition.
 
rebuilding from scratch you buy building blocks , some dont fit. you have to take them back and get more

weve played 6th and 7th in the league and not impressed enough , in performance or result
smoehow we are still 5th , lets hope we take the second chance to put it right on Tuesday
 
Clough has earned time after last season, but we should be mounting a serious challenge for automatic promotion this season. If there are no signs of mounting a challenge by early or late Jan, we should be considering making a change.

I'm shocked, a little unsurprised, but a bit pissed off that everyone is levelling this at Clough. We could have fucking Mourinho managing Sheffield United at the moment and we'd still scrape a draw with high flying, big hitting Notts Cunty at BDTBL. The fucking players are the problem, chaps. We have proved that. We sell Maguire, suddenly we are shitpipe at the back. I mean, look at last night's team:

Howard - not exactly the most supremely solid shot stopper or cross catcher we have ever seen. He ain't Trace, Kelly, Brown or Hodgy.

Basham - where the fuck DO we actually play this bloke? He is shit in midfield, decent in the centre of the back four and dodgy out wide in the back four. He isn't particularly pacey, disappears in games and doesn't exactly impose himself in games

Mceveley - still not really up to what I would say is a Maguire 'one of his better games' standards

McCarthy - you know when you are playing crib? You know when its your opponents box and you have JKQ574, the turnover card is a 5 and you are figuring out what to ditch on your opponent which on turnover might look good, but with their Q and 9 means fifteen-fuck-all? Well McCarthy is that 7 and 4. Cheers Neil.

Harris - inconsistency in a United shirt. In fact, there isn't enough room to print that on the back of his.

Doyle - for far too long this bloke is pulling on a United shirt and as it goes over his head and no one can see his face, he is pulling a 'lol @ Clough' expression, because I don't even think he knows why he is still at Sheffield United. He is just counting his blessings that no one had taken his place - because to be frank, Doyle might be shit, but his opposition is shitter. So why should he try?

Scougall - yup, he a little terrier. But possibly in the Sheffield and Hallam u-14s. For an example of a shorter footballer who holds his own in the professional game, see Aguiero. Again, too much 'who's the little guy?' faffage to hold his own in the midfield of a big-thinking club. Let's face it. He's not exactly John Gannon or even (perish the thought) Patterson, is he?

Baxter - when he signed, we were all practically jizzing in our jeans at the prospect of some sort of Fabregas-like being making play from in front of the centre circle and nabbing goals aplenty. But he's bobbar, isn't he chaps? Couple of goals here and there, a 'Baxter - best player on the pitch' because the rest are so fucking dismal and that's it. Championship level? Do you REALLY think he has it in him? They'd stamp him flat.

Murphy - he is about our best player, really. But the wind has to be in the right direction, if he's u[p against pace he shits himself transparent and there have been too many 'Murphy - 5/10s' as opposed to Murphy dry-bummed their back four inside out. He scored a fucking beaut two weeks ago against Doncaster, but I bet you my fucking 1989 lime green classic shirt (my most prized United possession) he doesn't score any more of them this season.

Flynn - dear sweet fucking god. Why is this lightweight still at the club? Scoring one goal against a lacklustre and frankly not much arsed Villa side last season doth not maketh his bloke Alan Woodward. He has had three or four unimpressive, uninspiring seasons with us and so far he has been someone to fill the fucking jersey, as far as I am concerned.

Campbell-Beansontoast - Way, way, way, waaaay past his best, which was about six consecutive games, five years ago. Like most players you consistently see on Gillette Soccer Saturday, Jermain Easter, that Stonebridge bloke for Plymmerf, Jamie Cureton, Jon Stead, Adie Akinbyi, Darius Henderson to name but a few, you think, "cor, he's smacking them in. Ten goals already and it is only September 23rd. Wish we had the cunt. Then ten years later we sign him after he has been cutting the grass for Nuneaton or selling pies and programmes for Gretna and expect him to be Johan Cruyff. Of course, once they get here and realise that it is cash in hand and no pressure, they idle through games barely understanding what is required of them. No one has the ballocks to get hold of this non achiever and say 'Jamal. See this fucking white line running the length of the fucking pitch, lad? Well I want you to run along that very fast, all game and when you get down there you boot it across at ninety degrees at about eight foot off the floor for that big, slow old fucker to head into that white outlined rectangle. Just stay out of the way of them cunts who don't have your kit on. Oh, and that means the coppers as well'

Higdon - fucking hell. I won't fuck about, okay. But I prefer Porter. There you go.

McNulty - obviously summats up backstage.

Reed - see Scougall. This kid actually looks capable, mind.

pommpey
 
If the owner at Bristol City is prepared to pump money into the club (thereby increasing turnover) they could afford a higher wage bill and still be within FFP.
 
McCarthy - you know when you are playing crib? You know when its your opponents box and you have JKQ574, the turnover card is a 5 and you are figuring out what to ditch on your opponent which on turnover might look good, but with their Q and 9 means fifteen-fuck-all? Well McCarthy is that 7 and 4. Cheers Neil.
actually no mate don't have the foggiest :tumbleweed:
 
From the end of last season to this it literally has been a case of one step forward two steps back!
Quality players who helped the team look like promotion favourites for this season have gone and been replaced by mediocre make weights (quantity over quality!) while young players who showed potential in beating Rovrum last season have not been allowed to further their development in the first team (Reed apart) while we have brought in crocks (Wallace) and the likes of Higdon!
Something is amiss at the club and although I don't think chedgate has helped I believe it's more likely to be the stubborness and management style of Clough.
And it's not as though we haven't been warned what to expect as many a Derby supporter has mention the managers style to us via social media.
Unfortunately at the moment I can only see this season ending again in disappointment and yet another season in this shitty league awaits.
 
Doesn't really matter the what, who and where is to blame we aren't picking up enough points at home to get promoted. We can troll on all night about which players would do what and in what formation we haven't looked a team at home all season. Crack that and it's game on, as we are it's game over so far as promotion is concerned.
 
I'm shocked, a little unsurprised, but a bit pissed off that everyone is levelling this at Clough. We could have fucking Mourinho managing Sheffield United at the moment and we'd still scrape a draw with high flying, big hitting Notts Cunty at BDTBL. The fucking players are the problem, chaps. We have proved that. We sell Maguire, suddenly we are shitpipe at the back. I mean, look at last night's team:

Howard - not exactly the most supremely solid shot stopper or cross catcher we have ever seen. He ain't Trace, Kelly, Brown or Hodgy.

Basham - where the fuck DO we actually play this bloke? He is shit in midfield, decent in the centre of the back four and dodgy out wide in the back four. He isn't particularly pacey, disappears in games and doesn't exactly impose himself in games

Mceveley - still not really up to what I would say is a Maguire 'one of his better games' standards

McCarthy - you know when you are playing crib? You know when its your opponents box and you have JKQ574, the turnover card is a 5 and you are figuring out what to ditch on your opponent which on turnover might look good, but with their Q and 9 means fifteen-fuck-all? Well McCarthy is that 7 and 4. Cheers Neil.

Harris - inconsistency in a United shirt. In fact, there isn't enough room to print that on the back of his.

Doyle - for far too long this bloke is pulling on a United shirt and as it goes over his head and no one can see his face, he is pulling a 'lol @ Clough' expression, because I don't even think he knows why he is still at Sheffield United. He is just counting his blessings that no one had taken his place - because to be frank, Doyle might be shit, but his opposition is shitter. So why should he try?

Scougall - yup, he a little terrier. But possibly in the Sheffield and Hallam u-14s. For an example of a shorter footballer who holds his own in the professional game, see Aguiero. Again, too much 'who's the little guy?' faffage to hold his own in the midfield of a big-thinking club. Let's face it. He's not exactly John Gannon or even (perish the thought) Patterson, is he?

Baxter - when he signed, we were all practically jizzing in our jeans at the prospect of some sort of Fabregas-like being making play from in front of the centre circle and nabbing goals aplenty. But he's bobbar, isn't he chaps? Couple of goals here and there, a 'Baxter - best player on the pitch' because the rest are so fucking dismal and that's it. Championship level? Do you REALLY think he has it in him? They'd stamp him flat.

Murphy - he is about our best player, really. But the wind has to be in the right direction, if he's u[p against pace he shits himself transparent and there have been too many 'Murphy - 5/10s' as opposed to Murphy dry-bummed their back four inside out. He scored a fucking beaut two weeks ago against Doncaster, but I bet you my fucking 1989 lime green classic shirt (my most prized United possession) he doesn't score any more of them this season.

Flynn - dear sweet fucking god. Why is this lightweight still at the club? Scoring one goal against a lacklustre and frankly not much arsed Villa side last season doth not maketh his bloke Alan Woodward. He has had three or four unimpressive, uninspiring seasons with us and so far he has been someone to fill the fucking jersey, as far as I am concerned.

Campbell-Beansontoast - Way, way, way, waaaay past his best, which was about six consecutive games, five years ago. Like most players you consistently see on Gillette Soccer Saturday, Jermain Easter, that Stonebridge bloke for Plymmerf, Jamie Cureton, Jon Stead, Adie Akinbyi, Darius Henderson to name but a few, you think, "cor, he's smacking them in. Ten goals already and it is only September 23rd. Wish we had the cunt. Then ten years later we sign him after he has been cutting the grass for Nuneaton or selling pies and programmes for Gretna and expect him to be Johan Cruyff. Of course, once they get here and realise that it is cash in hand and no pressure, they idle through games barely understanding what is required of them. No one has the ballocks to get hold of this non achiever and say 'Jamal. See this fucking white line running the length of the fucking pitch, lad? Well I want you to run along that very fast, all game and when you get down there you boot it across at ninety degrees at about eight foot off the floor for that big, slow old fucker to head into that white outlined rectangle. Just stay out of the way of them cunts who don't have your kit on. Oh, and that means the coppers as well'

Higdon - fucking hell. I won't fuck about, okay. But I prefer Porter. There you go.

McNulty - obviously summats up backstage.

Reed - see Scougall. This kid actually looks capable, mind.

pommpey

For a Sheffield United fan you cant half slag us off.
Just out of interest how many games have you been to this season ?
 
Clough's previous form shows him to be one of the least successful managers we have recruited. Following on from the worst manager in the club's 125 year history he was always going to look better at least for a while.
Last night made me wonder if he sends them out with strict instructions not to run forward or take on opposition defenders. The obsession with passing sideways and backwards bordered on the farcical.
As for the Higgopotamus perhaps we could reduce the wages bill by paying him per touch with a bonus if he manages to jump more than 2 inches off the floor when a cross comes over (should one come over somewhere near head height and somewhere near the 6 yard box)
 
Agree 100% I'm hearing a lot that the players aren't good enough, but I haven't seen a team this season with players that I have thought are much (if at all) better than what we have.

We have only scored 4 first half goals, that isn't the sign of a promotion team. The fact that clough doesn't seem to want to/or isn't capable of improving the first half performances is very worrying.

Clough has earned time after last season, but we should be mounting a serious challenge for automatic promotion this season. If there are no signs of mounting a challenge by early or late Jan, we should be considering making a change.

I agree unless he changes his tactics, as others have said unless he sets up to feed strikers in an an attacking formation we could have Aguero as the sole striker and even he wouldn't he a sniff.
 

Just out of interest how many games have you been to this season ?

I am also disappointed in sitwell, a man of internet board substance, retorting to the oldest, most Hackneyed and frankly least relevant comment in anyone's book.

"how many games have you been to this season"

I'll answer that. None so far. I have seen United twice, maybe three times this season, all of them on telly. Does that make me any less able to comment? I'd say 'no', myself. I don't half hear some fucking puerile dogshit coming from people who go to every game, sitwell (to add balance to your argument) so what difference does it make?

And finally, to weld a lid on your argument, I garner the opinions of Deadbat, other postees, newspaper reports, BBC reports and my buddy up north who goes to most games. So it isn't without much research I make my comments. The league position and our results kind of tells me all I need to know about how Sheffield United are doing. Unless of course I have it all wrong - Howard pulls off six worldies per game; the back four are a cohesive, well-drilled and difficult-to-get-past pack; the midfield is a dream to watch as they control the game, surge forward and generate goals and of course, our front combinations are smacking the ball into the old onion bag with utter disregard. In fact, it is clear to see how excellent Sheffield United are, because we are twelve points clear with two games in hand and Clough is resting key players and blooding in reserves and youngsters to strengthen the already strong, unbeatable squad.

Am I missing something by not standing on the terraces, sitwell?

pommpey
 
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