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why do you think bolton are 136 million in the red ,, wages
wednesday big gates , lost 7 million ,,, wages

26 squad players on 5 k a week is 7 million
900000 on 2 k a week is 93 million

do we pay the under 21 s , is the academy free of cost ?
no one ever seems to think about what is nearly half the club
 
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"Regarding the investment, in the first year of our participation in the club, we put in GBP 8 Million. More is coming in yet and the club is healthy and able to do business."

but like all purchases , can only buy when the shops open and the stocks on display
Presumably last August they got stuck in traffic and when the got to town the shops were shut?
 
I never implied that just saying 1 mill in so far maybe 500k out altogether only leaves 500k , which is a couple of weeks or so wage bill ,
13000 st at 300 on average is 3.9 mill and we have decent gates

wages are way above that
not trusting realistic
Half a million is a couple of weeks wages? That would be exactly the type of financial mismanagement that I'm suggesting should be questioned.

UTB
 
why do you think bolton are 136 million in the red ,, wages
wednesday big gates , lost 7 million ,,, wages

26 squad players on 5 k a week is 7 million
i would be flabbergasted if our wage bill is 8m a year if it is even half that then the players are being paid double what they are worth
 
i would be flabbergasted if our wage bill is 8m a year if it is even half that then the players are being paid double what they are worth
hate to flabber your gast , but according to PLC report it is, but that includes all first team under 21s and all ground staff including management and the tea lady, yes we pay nigel and chris
morgan
 
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Fans know so little about the financial side of football and yet routinely accuse the board of starving the manager of cash to buy proper players.

For the umpteenth time I repeat the prince has rescued us from the abyss. KM had decided to insist that the club paid its own way as from this season. Prior to that he was subsidising the club to the tune of £1m per month since we were relegated from the Championship. He had drawn a line and said enough was enough. Then the prince came along and injected new money, mind you KM gave him half the club and cancelled all the debt. In return the prince is subsidising losses and £8m seems about right even allowing for the good cup run.

Our wage bill will be nowhere near £8m, more like £4m plus a bit, but only if the FFP Rules permit that level. But fellas, Weir was under orders to take it much lower than that. We should be thankful for small mercies. The level Clough is working at is plenty for the job at hand, the manager has said so more than once.

Before our last couple of good results there were threads on here accusing the board of this and that and slashers were having a field day. So few know the basics of the financial side and yet hold such passionate opinions about the board, which incidentally has been in place just over a year that's all.

Phipps is right to mention figures and I hope it helps fans have some appreciation.
 
hate to flabber your gast , but according to PLC report it is, but that includes all first team under 21s and all ground staff including management and the tea lady, yes we pay nigel and chris
morgan
I just mean the first team wage bill
you know like tge other 91 clubs refer to when talking about their wage bill
 
Fans know so little about the financial side of football and yet routinely accuse the board of starving the manager of cash to buy proper players.

For the umpteenth time I repeat the prince has rescued us from the abyss. KM had decided to insist that the club paid its own way as from this season. Prior to that he was subsidising the club to the tune of £1m per month since we were relegated from the Championship. He had drawn a line and said enough was enough. Then the prince came along and injected new money, mind you KM gave him half the club and cancelled all the debt. In return the prince is subsidising losses and £8m seems about right even allowing for the good cup run.

Our wage bill will be nowhere near £8m, more like £4m plus a bit, but only if the FFP Rules permit that level. But fellas, Weir was under orders to take it much lower than that. We should be thankful for small mercies. The level Clough is working at is plenty for the job at hand, the manager has said so more than once.

Before our last couple of good results there were threads on here accusing the board of this and that and slashers were having a field day. So few know the basics of the financial side and yet hold such passionate opinions about the board, which incidentally has been in place just over a year that's all.

Phipps is right to mention figures and I hope it helps fans have some appreciation.
bullshit
 
Fans know so little about the financial side of football and yet routinely accuse the board of starving the manager of cash to buy proper

Agreed. I believe jim made a suggestion that united could host an evening where he went over the financials involved in football. I appreciate he's been busy recently but I'd love to attend if this could get setup.
 
Agreed. I believe jim made a suggestion that united could host an evening where he went over the financials involved in football. I appreciate he's been busy recently but I'd love to attend if this could get setup.
I'd much rather not listen to spin off people tbh,especially being in the same room as them,now that would be a piss take of gigantic proportions.
 
I'd much rather not listen to spin off people tbh,especially being in the same room as them,now that would be a piss take of gigantic proportions.
You could just put your fingers in your ears and scream and scream and scream ......until you're sick!
What exactly would you listen to?
 





Judge, I must say I do not like to make challenges and make S2 enemies, but which parts are bullshit please?

Everything I said in that post is on record and just summarised by me in the context of this thread and other recent board-bashing threads.

Please outline your version, again in the context of this thread which covers the recent history of the club, just over 12 months in fact. Numerous fans liked the post and I feel sure they are all willing to consider your own perspectives, as I am.
 

Is it possible we are building a new stadium in Salford? massive areas of land have been acquired by The Scarborough Group there!
 
Judge, I must say I do not like to make challenges and make S2 enemies, but which parts are bullshit please?

Everything I said in that post is on record and just summarised by me in the context of this thread and other recent board-bashing threads.

Please outline your version, again in the context of this thread which covers the recent history of the club, just over 12 months in fact. Numerous fans liked the post and I feel sure they are all willing to consider your own perspectives, as I am.
All the parts where you slag other united fans knowledge of the clubs finances as if you are the wolf of john st
 
Judge, I must say I do not like to make challenges and make S2 enemies, but which parts are bullshit please?

Everything I said in that post is on record and just summarised by me in the context of this thread and other recent board-bashing threads.

Please outline your version, again in the context of this thread which covers the recent history of the club, just over 12 months in fact. Numerous fans liked the post and I feel sure they are all willing to consider your own perspectives, as I am.
I don't question the numbers as such, I question why they are what they are.

Either we pay our players far more than they are worth, or we spend a fortune elsewhere.

The more or less fixed costs of maintaining a larger ground should be more than offset by corporate sales.

Where else does the money go?

After that, you come to the academy. If it's as expensive as I suspect then I suggest we close it. I don't think it pays for itself.

UTB
 
Our wage bill is probably about 3-4 million
everything else is window dressing and no one seems to know the exact figures

If the investors are having to pay 8 milion out of their pockets we need to know exactly whete its going because its not going where it should be

We are supposedly debt free with big crowds ,it just doesnt add up
 
So then, its a thankless loss making business running a football club, makes you wonder why these mega rich owners bother doesn't it?..

Thryre making a great living out of it somewhere that's for sure, otherwise, they'd sell up and be off wouldn't they?

If we get promoted with this squad we will get relegated first season and be straight back in league 1 asap, forget cribbing about how much things cost, because if you bought into a football club and wanted to take it from league 1 to the premier league in 5 years, you'll need to spend around 150 million along the way on players and player wages, minimum...

The plan for the prince is exactly that, build a brand up to a premier league brand and sell it at the top of its value, but you need to spend along the way, that's where the issue lies..

8 million pounds investment over the last year was probably spent paying off old employees like wier and other bits and bobs, we gotta get our heads out of the sand as 8 million in football these days isn't a lot of money, its not even 10% of a gareth bale transfer fee...

So, we need to unearth a few gems who will bust a gut every Saturday, and buy that bit of quality to get them believing in themselves, at the minute were playing teams off the park, buy us that big name / quality striker and add the fear factor for the remainder of the season and we'll go up automatic, teams are walking off knowing they're getting away with it by just losing from the odd goal..

Roll on january, let's do what we did last year please, you gotta pay the money guys, top quality people can demand more wages because they're better quality, pay the price financially and get success or keep it tight and pay the price come the end of he season...

The balls in their court...
 
So then, its a thankless loss making business running a football club, makes you wonder why these mega rich owners bother doesn't it?..

Thryre making a great living out of it somewhere that's for sure, otherwise, they'd sell up and be off wouldn't they?

If we get promoted with this squad we will get relegated first season and be straight back in league 1 asap, forget cribbing about how much things cost, because if you bought into a football club and wanted to take it from league 1 to the premier league in 5 years, you'll need to spend around 150 million along the way on players and player wages, minimum...

The plan for the prince is exactly that, build a brand up to a premier league brand and sell it at the top of its value, but you need to spend along the way, that's where the issue lies..

8 million pounds investment over the last year was probably spent paying off old employees like wier and other bits and bobs, we gotta get our heads out of the sand as 8 million in football these days isn't a lot of money, its not even 10% of a gareth bale transfer fee...

So, we need to unearth a few gems who will bust a gut every Saturday, and buy that bit of quality to get them believing in themselves, at the minute were playing teams off the park, buy us that big name / quality striker and add the fear factor for the remainder of the season and we'll go up automatic, teams are walking off knowing they're getting away with it by just losing from the odd goal..

Roll on january, let's do what we did last year please, you gotta pay the money guys, top quality people can demand more wages because they're better quality, pay the price financially and get success or keep it tight and pay the price come the end of he season...

The balls in their court...

Within your first two sentences might lie another explanation Tezza1889, that of vanity. The chief exponents of this are the owners of Chelsea and Manchester City. Both clubs were in the Premiership when their current owners took control, and since then both owners have spent amounts that are beyond the comprehension of most of us. They'll never get a financial return for their investment, but what they will have done is use a large amount of money for seed funding, then, somehow, seek to get their clubs in shape to be able to afford world class players. No doubt the owners still have input into who they seek to attract, but I doubt, with their wealth, that their motives are served purely by making a profit. Just as they purchase a private jet, a yacht, or whatever, sometimes, men of great wealth possess other, more indefinable qualities in order to feed their egos.

Now, we're clearly not in that ballpark, but the monies that football at the top table generates these days are magnets for anyone who has a quid or three to lavish on their hobbies. These owners are clearly canny (at least I'd assume they are), so what they gain from their involvement sometimes extends beyond pure financial gain. None of which is to suggest they they'd tolerate their clubs becoming cash cows, but they have a point to prove to themselves and other, equally monied, individuals. Abramovich has reportedly put £500mil to one side should he ever decide to leave Chelsea. This amount is to cushion his departure for the club, and all the while they can seek to build their brand in order to generate large sums of money from sponsors.
 
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We can argue the toss about whether the £8m is accurate or not - it doesn't sound right to me. But what is clear is that despite crowds far in excess of any other team in this division - and years of selling our best players - we are unwilling to pay the going rate to bring quality players in. Other teams on much smaller crowds and with much smaller turnover spend more than we do.

Little has changed since the Prince came in from what I can see.
 
We can argue the toss about whether the £8m is accurate or not - it doesn't sound right to me. But what is clear is that despite crowds far in excess of any other team in this division - and years of selling our best players - we are unwilling to pay the going rate to bring quality players in. Other teams on much smaller crowds and with much smaller turnover spend more than we do.

Little has changed since the Prince came in from what I can see.
And we're debt free, so no finance costs. Plus £2m from the FA cup. Plus £2m from Harry. Plus record kit sales. Plus almost 20,000 gates. Plus a third division squad.

On top of the above, we've needed a further £8,000,000 of funding! Yet so many don't think it needs to be questioned, because "that's the cost of football".

How the fuck are the likes of Oldham doing it?

My hunch is that the academy is bleeding us dry. Either that, or were paying some monstrous executive pay.

UTB
 
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Fans know so little about the financial side of football and yet routinely accuse the board of starving the manager of cash to buy proper players.

For the umpteenth time I repeat the prince has rescued us from the abyss. KM had decided to insist that the club paid its own way as from this season. Prior to that he was subsidising the club to the tune of £1m per month since we were relegated from the Championship. He had drawn a line and said enough was enough. Then the prince came along and injected new money, mind you KM gave him half the club and cancelled all the debt. In return the prince is subsidising losses and £8m seems about right even allowing for the good cup run.

Our wage bill will be nowhere near £8m, more like £4m plus a bit, but only if the FFP Rules permit that level. But fellas, Weir was under orders to take it much lower than that. We should be thankful for small mercies. The level Clough is working at is plenty for the job at hand, the manager has said so more than once.

Before our last couple of good results there were threads on here accusing the board of this and that and slashers were having a field day. So few know the basics of the financial side and yet hold such passionate opinions about the board, which incidentally has been in place just over a year that's all.

Phipps is right to mention figures and I hope it helps fans have some appreciation.


Woodwardfan . i do agree with you , but in part you are wrong when you say fans know so little about the financial side of football. The Blades fans know when a club has not been run correctly by poor governance and overall management . Like any business beholden to shareholders the CEO carries the can . Football as a business is no different and fans require answers.

SUFC were not only rescued from the abyss , we had fallen off the cliff , and thankfully being astute Mr McCabe with Mr Prince provided a financial parachute .

When Mr McCabe became chairman he had to sort out financial issues, created by previous chairman who used SUFC has a cash cow ,and did not invest , but instead there actions , did bleed SUFC dry . No money in the coffers and banks calling in loans. , Mr McCabe saved SUFC .

Indeed part of the Bramall Lane land footprint is still owned by a previous chairman., which still requires resolving .The Lane is prime real estate and Mr McCabe did rescue the ground asset from being sold off . It was agreed in principle we would play at Don Valley Stadium.

The financial crash of 2007 did not help Mr McCabe and his property business ventures , but still backed SUFC financially . It does cost a boat load of money to run a football club and raise cash through banks / funders to keep it afloat with cross company guarantees , some also being personal to the McCabe family.


Where Mr McCabe has gone spectacularly wrong is taking poor advice from outside on all things football , with listening to other football managers on our previous appointments of managers . I can name Sir Alex Ferguson and David Moyes as two.

Crowds of 20,000 do not cover the clubs cost . We cannot shut the academy as we are still paying for the dam thing and will be for many years to come.

We have the banks , financial institutions on our side , we are moving forward both in the board room and on the pitch.

Mr McCabe , Mr Prince are the way forward for the club . If Mr McCabe 2 years ago had said fuck it , i have had enough , we would be in the fourth division . This is a defining year , let us hope we are in the championship.

UTB
 
Wow. IF those figures are real then it's time they had an in depth look at our costs.

Given the cup run, player sales, fantastic gates and shirt sales...... Followed by uninspiring signings, this raises so many questions.

UTB

The cost of repairing broken fax machines isn't cheap these days you know .........
UTB & FTP
 
We can argue the toss about whether the £8m is accurate or not - it doesn't sound right to me. But what is clear is that despite crowds far in excess of any other team in this division - and years of selling our best players - we are unwilling to pay the going rate to bring quality players in. Other teams on much smaller crowds and with much smaller turnover spend more than we do.

Little has changed since the Prince came in from what I can see.

Correct ... and I have to say that if we're paying wages of £8m per year we should be top of the Division. I suspect that we must have a couple of players who are still on bloody big wages.
UTB & FTP
 
Correct ... and I have to say that if we're paying wages of £8m per year we should be top of the Division. I suspect that we must have a couple of players who are still on bloody big wages.
UTB & FTP

Doyle and Collins? They would have been paid vast sums to persuade them to come to an imploding Championship club.

Or would those contracts have been renegotiated by now?
 
Appears you can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Slashers or Clappers, we are all entitled to ask questions when we can't get our way clear in the third division of English football in spite of having by far the largest crowds and you assume from cup runs etc revenues.

So, where does the money go? Apparently none of us know anything about this apart from Woodwardfan. You said in a previous thread all your knowledge was from your own business dealings and the fact (although you don't like to mention it) you are a shareholder. I would say the very fact you were daft enough to take shares in the club makes your financial advice worth the square root of nothing. However, please chip away at the rest of us and pretend we all know nothing and you are God.
 

Woodwaaard fan is probably just taking all the little Woodwaaatd fans for a walk in the park you know nowt.
 

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